Coservation Matters Seminar

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If there are any interested members that would like to hear some great information from Randy Newberg, and RMEF CEO David Allen on conservation, and how we as sportsmen can help, there will be a seminar on Friday April 8th at the Salt Lake Sheraton at 7:00pm.

This is the 3rd of 4 stops, with other tentative dates planned.

This should provide a lot of great information, about what has gone on, what is going on, and what we can do, to do our part in conservation. This is not a Utah specific event as the previous events were in Colorado, and New Mexico, and future events are planed for other western states. It is not a SFW or DWR slam event, and was planned well before the Utah debacle occurred.

So please plan on attending, to get informed on conservation issues.


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Looking forward to it.




"If the DWR was just doing its job, and
wildlife and hunting were the actual focus,
none of this process would even matter.
But that is not the focus or the goal in any
of this. The current DWR regime, and
SFW were born out of wildlife declines,
and are currently operated and funded
under that paradigm. Those 200 Expo
tags would not even be worth anything if
the focus was where it was supposed to
be, and wildlife and tags were plentiful.
But under the current business model,
that is how the money and power is
generated. It is generated through the
rising "value"(monitization) of a declining
resource. A resource that is supposed to
be being beneficially managed for the
masses that own that resource, ie. US.
The problem is obvious, hedging is not a
long term sustainable strategy, and
others have to lose, for some to win. In
this case it is us, the many, and our
resources, that are being forced to lose,
because there is a minority who's power
and money is derived from our loses."

LONETREE 3/15/16
 
It will be a great event. I will be out of the country but I look forward to hearing reports from those who attend.

-Hawkeye-
 
Please come to this event tonight and bring your families, and hunting partners and learn about true conservation.

Also a reminder that the Salt Lake Chapter of the RMEF has their fundraising banquet on Saturday night, April 9th. Seating is very limited at this point, but we may still be able to fit you in.

Call Kevin Capson 801-580-0286 for a ticket to the banquet.
 
Hope to see some of you here.


"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-09-16 AT 05:49AM (MST)[p]Very informative. I highly recommend attending this event if you get a chance. You will be seeing more on this very important play in protecting the culture of hunting in the future. Thanks to Mr. Allen and Mr. Newberg for sacrificing time away from their families to bring forth an awareness and a new program to fight for hunting. I urge everyone to watch for the RMEF "Real Conservation Matters" campaign.
 
This was a good event.

It was great to see guys like Travis, Kelly and Mike.

The Salt Lake RMEF Committee is as solid as ever and is made up of a great group of folks. Thanks again for all that you do.

If I had one criticism or maybe more of a suggestion it would be for the Foundation to take a look at their stance concerning
Local influence. The wolf and anti hunting battles are critical issues and need attention but on a local level the power of the Foundation, in my opinion could be better leveraged.

The ground rules of the way the game is played is pre written by the 800lb Gorilla in the room, I feel as a sportsman in Utah we've got the 1200lb gorilla in the same room but our gorilla is blindfolded and has one hand tied down.

Maybe I'm just being thick and last nights gathering is the beginning of all of this. In that case here's another big thank you to the RMEF.

The other thought I had last night created a question in my mind. Hunters fund these groups to fulfill their mission. Some groups have the philosophy of restricting hunter opportunity in lieu of high success, low opportunity style of game allocation.
Are we at the point in catering to the European model of funding orgs and game allocation that this model is long term sustainable?? If so that's some scary $hit.




"If the DWR was just doing its job, and
wildlife and hunting were the actual focus,
none of this process would even matter.
But that is not the focus or the goal in any
of this. The current DWR regime, and
SFW were born out of wildlife declines,
and are currently operated and funded
under that paradigm. Those 200 Expo
tags would not even be worth anything if
the focus was where it was supposed to
be, and wildlife and tags were plentiful.
But under the current business model,
that is how the money and power is
generated. It is generated through the
rising "value"(monitization) of a declining
resource. A resource that is supposed to
be being beneficially managed for the
masses that own that resource, ie. US.
The problem is obvious, hedging is not a
long term sustainable strategy, and
others have to lose, for some to win. In
this case it is us, the many, and our
resources, that are being forced to lose,
because there is a minority who's power
and money is derived from our loses."

LONETREE 3/15/16
 
>This was a good event.
>
>It was great to see guys
>like Travis, Kelly and Mike.
>
>
>The Salt Lake RMEF Committee is
>as solid as ever and
>is made up of a
>great group of folks. Thanks
>again for all that you
>do.
>
>If I had one criticism or
>maybe more of a suggestion
>it would be for the
>Foundation to take a look
>at their stance concerning
>Local influence. The wolf and anti
>hunting battles are critical issues
>and need attention but on
>a local level the power
>of the Foundation, in my
>opinion could be better leveraged.
>
>
>The ground rules of the way
>the game is played is
>pre written by the 800lb
>Gorilla in the room, I
>feel as a sportsman in
>Utah we've got the 1200lb
>gorilla in the same room
>but our gorilla is blindfolded
>and has one hand tied
>down.
>
>Maybe I'm just being thick and
>last nights gathering is the
>beginning of all of this.
>In that case here's another
>big thank you to the
>RMEF.
>
>The other thought I had last
>night created a question in
>my mind. Hunters fund these
>groups to fulfill their mission.
>Some groups have the philosophy
>of restricting hunter opportunity in
>lieu of high success, low
>opportunity style of game allocation.
>
>Are we at the point in
>catering to the European model
>of funding orgs and game
>allocation that this model is
>long term sustainable?? If so
>that's some scary $hit.
>
>
>
>
>"If the DWR was just doing
>its job, and
>wildlife and hunting were the actual
>focus,
>none of this process would even
>matter.
>But that is not the focus
>or the goal in any
>
>of this. The current DWR regime,
>and
>SFW were born out of wildlife
>declines,
>and are currently operated and funded
>
>under that paradigm. Those 200 Expo
>
>tags would not even be worth
>anything if
>the focus was where it was
>supposed to
>be, and wildlife and tags were
>plentiful.
>But under the current business model,
>
>that is how the money and
>power is
>generated. It is generated through the
>
>rising "value"(monitization) of a declining
>resource. A resource that is supposed
>to
>be being beneficially managed for the
>
>masses that own that resource, ie.
>US.
>The problem is obvious, hedging is
>not a
>long term sustainable strategy, and
>others have to lose, for some
>to win. In
>this case it is us, the
>many, and our
>resources, that are being forced to
>lose,
>because there is a minority who's
>power
>and money is derived from our
>loses."
>
>LONETREE 3/15/16

Thanks for the report, Gordy!

I gather from your remarks that you're concerned that we're still being pushed into an 800lb gorilla building system! Let's hope not. We have more than enough of them already!

As for the 1200lb gorilla, at the least, he stood by while some 800lb gorilla blindfolded him and tied him up. At the most, he did it himself. Either way, it's ultimately his responsibility to deal with it. All we can do is provide some options, which is what we're trying to do.

Enough philosophy! I'd appreciate more details if possible. Thanks again.

Lee Tracy,
Pres. UWC
 
We are in the arena of the 800lb gorilla Lee. They've established the rules of the game.

What I'm am asking is for the 1200lb gorilla to stand up and say enough. The 500lb gorillas either need to get off their asses and help or quit taking our money and wasting our time.

Their was an outstanding quote inside the front cover of the handout last night.

"In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing you can do is the wrong thing and the worst thing you can do is nothing"
Teddy Roosevelt

So UBA, MDF, UWC, DU, Delta Waterfowl and RMEF get off your asses and do something. Like Lumpy said the only group willing to get to work right now is SFW. Like it or not, they get $hit done.
By doing not a damn thing for your members, other than taking and spending their money, you are part of the problem.

The days of doing habitat projects and organizing shoots is gone. Get your asses in to the fight and help the hunters that pay your way.

These groups are the lobster in the slow boiling pot. SFW is going to push the limited opportunity, elitist wealth tag style of hunting till the rank and file members / donors of a group like MDF or the RMEF cease to exist. Once these members go away they have one of two options. Cater to the elite and further the end of our culture in Utah, or fold up shop.

Several years back I stopped volunteering and contributing to any group that marketed wealth tags. This is from a guy that did an "In lieu of flowers please make a donation to the MDF" when my dad passed. SFW isn't going to change and the other groups / Division are so beholden to the current system they won't do anything either.

So what I am saying to all of these other groups is, Y'all better wake the hell up. Start representing your members the same way SFW represents theirs while you still have members left.


"If the DWR was just doing its job, and
wildlife and hunting were the actual focus,
none of this process would even matter.
But that is not the focus or the goal in any
of this. The current DWR regime, and
SFW were born out of wildlife declines,
and are currently operated and funded
under that paradigm. Those 200 Expo
tags would not even be worth anything if
the focus was where it was supposed to
be, and wildlife and tags were plentiful.
But under the current business model,
that is how the money and power is
generated. It is generated through the
rising "value"(monitization) of a declining
resource. A resource that is supposed to
be being beneficially managed for the
masses that own that resource, ie. US.
The problem is obvious, hedging is not a
long term sustainable strategy, and
others have to lose, for some to win. In
this case it is us, the many, and our
resources, that are being forced to lose,
because there is a minority who's power
and money is derived from our loses."

LONETREE 3/15/16
 
Thank you to those of you who attended and posted reports. I really wanted to attend but was out of town.

Hawkeye
 
I don't feel I can give a decent summation of the meeting in a few words on a forum. Nor do I need to be attacked for my interpretation/beliefs from what I "heard", by a bunch of folks unwilling to sacrifice one evening to become better informed. I will admit I am pro RMEF so there is some bias to my opinion. However in over 35 years of being actively involved in the politics of hunting and conservation I would have to say this was most likely 7 of the best hours I have spent.

It is a campaign to take conservation and the protection of hunting to the next level. I would encourage all sportsman to search it out and then act in some way to do what they can. REAL CONSERVATION MATTERS

If nothing else find out what Randy Newberg defined as the 6 differences of Conservation and Environmentalism. I would guess it would open a few minds.
 

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