Damage from oil spill

elkaholic123

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WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT COULD NOT GET ANY WORSE !!!



This shot shows the serious damage caused to the wildlife by the recent BP blowout ...

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I am volunteering right now to go down to the coast and help clean the wildlife with my own two hands.




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Obama fixed everything after this disaster happened he shut down all offshore drilling

nice post/thanks for sharring
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Is this the Pic you were trying to post?
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I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
Hey nickman,
You planning on living longer than the rest of us?
Guaranteed,for the people that'll be here in 100 years,there will still be effects from this,but you're right nickman,that's somebody elses worries!}>}>}>}>}>

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
I think it's about time that they use a different term than "oil spill". Sounds like a tanker truck dumped it's contents where this tragedy is completely beyond comprehension.

Most are concerned about our Gulf Coast waters but i'm thinking this will eventually have world wide impact and ramifications.

Joey
 
Take a box of 22 shorts with you..much easier than paper towels.



nice post/thanks for sharring
 
You missed the point.

Earthquakes.
Volcanos.
Meteor impacts.
Floods.
Droughts.
Insect plagues.
Etc.
Pick one...........

"Do Do Occurs" Your fault, my fault, nobodys' fault.

The people, the animals and the vegatation either recover, or it is replaced by something tougher, that can adapt to the existing environment.

If we walked away from the "spill" right now, the oil in that particular pocket will eventually run out and Nature will clean it all up by itself.

Some animals are going to die. Some humans are going to lose money and some may actually die also. It's sad and ugly for us at this time, but in the big picture, the Earth won't blink.

The Earth goes on. Mother Nature simply rolls with these events, that in reality, last about two heartbeats in the overall life of the planet.

So again, I say "so what?", in a hundred years there will be no physical sign that this event occured.

Now, if 4 generations of your family suffer financially, don't experience shrimp cocktail, or don't get to see brown pelicans in the Gulf of Mexico, the Earth is still not going to care. They will have to adapt to survive.

I have never seen a live Tyranasaurus Rex, a Passenger Pigeon, or a Grizzly Bear in California......I'll get over it.

Human attitudes, believing that we can REALLY influence the overall life of this planet, crack me up. Nature has erased, or is in the process of erasing, EVERY mark humans ever have made anywhere on the Earth.
 
nickman-

None of the stuff on your list is man-caused. Not nature.BIG difference.
I guess we could shoot out all the elk and mule deer since the earth won't care about that either....
 
Good points nickman. What are people supposed to do in the meantime though? Clean it up and move on. I agree there will be some long term financial problems for a lot of people. If not everyone.

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-10-10 AT 10:58AM (MST)[p]Yep its a big mess but we can clean it up, and here is how we should expect things to go.

For right now, it looks bad but the well will be capped in a month or two, the flow will be stopped and the spill will be contained.

In 6 months, we will realize the full extent of the damage done, and though new regulations will be passed, deep water drilling operations will still be going on and new wells will be in operation.

In 1 year people will still be frustrated at the damage done but will begin to have hope that it can be cleaned and the major clean up operations will be wrapping up. Though there will still be the sheen of oil on the water in many places, it will be just impossible to clean it all and by then the damage will cost less than the clean up efforts.

In 2 years BP and the Fed will still be paying out recovery and subsidy checks (though it still won't be enough) and most of the people displaced by the tragedy will have moved on to other jobs or other parts of the Gulf or country. They will have some sad stories to tell and National Geographic will publish a feature on their displacement with some iconic photographs of more brown pelicans covered in oil and a washed up boat in dry dock with its former captain looking forlornly to the Gulf, his weathered face telling a story the words of the article cannot begin to encapsulate.

In 3 years, no one will really talk about it anymore and here and there, a few commercial fishing operations will arise, some will be new ventures, willing to test their fortunes on a new market.

In 5 years, the industries there will be stablized, not recovered and back to normal, but stabilized. There will still be some dead marshes, but they were going to drain them and build waterfront condos and timeshares anyway. The area economy will be in an upswing due to the new construction.

In 10 years, everyone will be talking about how bad it was when the spill occured and how good it used to be "back in the day" before the spill.

In 15 years, a major hurricane will have stormed through the area and all the new condos and timeshares built on the damaged marshland will be wiped out and eventually plowed under. The spill will be but a blip on the radar as this new tragedy takes its place.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
I'm glad some of you guys are able to make light of this situation. I once near got fired for dumping the old oil from my co rig in the dirt out back lot of the plumbing shop.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2010/05/how-much-oil-has-spilled-in-the-gulf-of-mexico.html

36,547,000+ gals, 36.5 MILLION GALLONS, have been spewed from this tragedy so far...

I'm really hoping that it's not as bad or long lasting as i fear but the containment efforts are not near enough or working, that's a lot of guys with scoops and buckets!!

Joey
 
Joey - I wasn't necesarily trying to make light of the situation, though I did get a little sarcasticly prophetic when mentioning the Nat Geo. article (just watch though!).

In reality, this is bad and it is bad for the US but it won't even amount to the worst in history by a long shot.

Check this article out:



http://envirowonk.com/content/view/68/1/

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
what blows my mind is how many different options have come forth for cleanup. they have boats ready to go pump the water in, seperate the oil, and pump out clean water. the amount they can do per day is a bunch. but for some reason the government wont give them the go-ahead. these boats have been doing it for yrs on foreign waters. WTH? why not give them a go?

let them have a 1 month trial to see if they are as good as they say? let them keep the friekin oil the recover for free? it's worth a try even if they can only get 50% of whats out there for now.
 
I have heard the same thing KB - but their answer is that "it won't work on this particular type of spill". It may have something to do with the dispersant they are applying at the leak, but I think it has more to do with BP not actually being able to get all the profit from the oil. They would probably rather see it leaked and go to waste (read write-off and future federal subsidies and bailout funds!) than share the profits with another company.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
Roy, I thought you folks down in Texas has this figured out already.


Why no mention of this in the news? As far as damage control.


I think BP wants PROFIT from this well that is why they did not implode it to seal it off. Is that too easy of a fix?

Marc


1 Corinthians 2:2
 
I very seriously doubt that BP is holding back on that because of profits or write offs.

Within days of the tragedy BP had 2 new rigs on there way to drill sidetracks so they could permanently plug and cement the well. It just takes a long time to drill where they need to to get this done.

It cost somewhere in the area of $800 million to drill a well like this. So to drill the 3 wells because of the tragedy will be $2.4 Billion. Which when they are done none will be in production.

The timeline up above is about right on target. everything exept that the mens lives that where lost on this rig will be back to normal in 3 years or less.

What everyone has not said anything about is the lives that where lost on the teriable day. So say a prayer for the families.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-10-10 AT 01:47PM (MST)[p]+1 30inch. That is what has become lost in all this. Those men were soon forgotten and the media quickly grabbed on to the more popular environmental disaster story and stole our attention away from the initial tragedy of the loss of these men. Shame on them for doing so and shame on us for letting them I guess.

I never meant to imply that BP hasn't been doing everything in their power from the get-go to stop the leak, just that their excuse for not doing the clean-up via contracting out a company that would clean the oil by vaccuuming it up and filtering it out of the salt water as has been done in other disasters recently, sounds a little flimsy and my flippant speculation only echoes the many conspiracies indicting the company. Probably a little careless on my part, but it makes me wonder. However I am not an expert at all so if I were to see an actualy scientific explanation as to why this procedure wouldn't work I would be more convinced.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
30inchbuck

I too am disappointed in the calloused way the news outlets have failed to cover the families of those that lost thier lives.
I am wondering about the microbe technology posted in the video link I provided, why no mention of this as a possibility for clean up? Has the techmology been proven bad?

As far as profit I do not trust BP (even though I continue to buy my gas at AM/PM which is suppied by them. I am not against them and the Free Enterprise System.

I definatly am no expert but I do have some common sense. Why can they not set of a discharge that would collapse the well shaft in on itself? From what I have heard the well is 1 mile under water and the shaft goes 1 mile deep under-ground after that. Would not the under water pressure combined with the weight of earth seal over the leak?

Just my random thoughts.
Marc


1 Corinthians 2:2
 
Might be coming from Obama administration as to why BP is not using it.

Not sure the truth in it I also heard that the orginal plan from BP was to cut the pipe and place this smaller cap on it. However the guys in Washington said no and to try other things. If they would have done this to start with they would be capturing up to around 90% of what is leaking now.

I would suspect that political pressure that those vacuums will be out in a few days though.
 
I'm no Obama man but it get a little old to see so many using this tragedy as a political football. 30inch why would Obama NOT want the spill fixed? Most of you bashers say he was not doing anything about the spill especially in its early stages but now you say he was micromanaging the whole process from the get-go to PREVENT it from being fixed? You really believe he hates this country that much? Man some of you guys' hatred makes you abandon reason.

This spill is BP's and its contractors' fault.They lied about safety, were incompetent, and were grossly negligent to the point of arrogance. And 11 men died and our nation suffers. Simple as that.
 
There are several things that I am not sure of - Like why they could not unbolt the flange and bolt up another tree of valves on top of that?

As far as trusting BP - I am sure they have talked it over with professionals that what they do is plan the drilling that far under the water. Completion experts ect. This thing is costing them enough money. And for every day that it continues too leak the more and more money will come from them.

If there was something that could be done to seal this thing I am sure they went over all of these senerios - plus probably some we have not thought of.

I would say the best minds in the buisness is on this.

I do not see how people could say that BP is not doing everything in its power to stop it ASAP. They have nothing to gain by letting it spew oil. And everything to lose.

But I do think there is some hands being tied by Washington. I think that the liberals in Washington is looking at this as another event in which they can put more policies in place to further there true agenda.
 
So cbeard you know how it happened?

Want to know cause nobody else knows for sure. Just speculation so far that I know of.

BP doing shortcuts? LOL. I do not work for them but know many that do in the fields around the four corners. Those guys cannot take a crap without a saftey meeting and filling out a JSA. They spend more than anyone in the industry on saftey training, saftey meetings, and in no way shortcuts are allowed. Anyone of BP employees get caught cutting corners and they are fired on the spot.
 
30inch if Washington was tying their hands don't you think BP would say so?? They'd be squealing like a stuck pig and tickled to death to have someone else to point a finger at.

Why do you love BP so much? From the evidence I have seen they are not very lovable.Typical cover their a$$,shift the blame,spin the PR, and try to limit liability tactics is what I have seen so far. Maybe we are watching different news channels...
 
30inch do you watch the news?Any news?Or read a newspaper? There is already reams of evidence this whole tragedy was a comedy of errors that rendered about half a dozen of those "fail safes" you speak of utterly useless. What-do you think this was just an Act of God and BP is not to blame?(Oh,I forgot it is Obama's fault.)

Sheesh.
 
If you type the word "nuked" in a sentence does it set off an alarm on the moderators computer or something? That pic didn't last long at all. Sorry all, maybe I tipped em' off.
 
Maybe so!

No - but there is a little icon down at the bottom of each post that says "alert" and either a MMer saw the inapporpriate pic and alerted it or one of the mods was looking at the thread, saw it and decided to enforce Founder's policies.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
cbeard yes but I also do not believe all the blame game that the folks at CNN spew either. There are some things that I know being aroung the oil field that a lot of people do not know.

I am just saying that everyone is condeming BP, yes they are responsible, yes they are going to pay. They said they are and they will.

I will not believe however that they did anything as a company to cause by taking shortcuts, using second grade equipment ect. Like you seem to think. Any many other seem to think. Mostly people that condem oil companies, yet ##### that the price of gas just went over $4.00/gal.
 
I don't want to condemn oil companies just for the sake of condemning them.I am from TX,have leased my farm for oil, and know many family and friends who have gotten wealthy from oil/natural gas.Alot of my friends and family are in the business.

But the facts CLEARLY show BP ignored alarming pressure tests in the hours before the explosion,continued to pump seawater-diluted drilling mud instead of regular drilling mud,allowed a faulty blowout preventer to go unrepaired, and was grossly negligent in many other ways-all to make a buck and all at the risk of their workers.A gamble they lost and paid for with 11 lives.

As for the environment,the facts also clearly show BP lied about the safety of the Deepwater Horizon rig and its ability to respond if all those "failsafes" you mention fail.Which they did.What has happened proves that indisputably.

Oil companies are out for the $$$ just like any other business.In that quest they will stop at almost nothing.So right,wrong,or indifferent-they must be regulated.They are like teenagers with a car-you'd like to be able to trust them to do the right thing but you just can't.I don't like government either but that is just the way it is.

BTW in my personal experience the oil companies lie all the time about what they are going to do-i.e. repairing fences,locating pipelines in a certain place,not damaging your property,etc. As soon as you are out of sight they do whatever the hell they want.

I'm convinced if the state and federal government weren't watching them this whole country would be full of holes leaking oil....
 
So no comments on my link about microbes??? Does anyone think this is still a viable way to save our shorelines?


1 Corinthians 2:2
 
The oil industry is THE most regulated industry in the entire world and especially the deep water variety. What we need are regulators that are not in the back pocket of the industries they regulate, in short they need to do their job and quit watching porn on the taxpayer dime. One thing this accident hopefully will do is force drillers like BP to have multiple levels of backup and multiple contingency plans, improve the technology and safety of the equipment. They can't help but do these things as it is in their best interest as this leak is most likely going to put them out of business and into bankruptcy. Cutting corners in the future won't be an option. The govt. needs to get its act together as well, they have clearly failed in their response.
 
>I don't want to condemn oil
>companies just for the sake
>of condemning them.I am from
>TX,have leased my farm for
>oil, and know many family
>and friends who have gotten
>wealthy from oil/natural gas.Alot of
>my friends and family are
>in the business.
>
>But the facts CLEARLY show BP
>ignored alarming pressure tests in
>the hours before the explosion,continued
>to pump seawater-diluted drilling mud
>instead of regular drilling mud,allowed
>a faulty blowout preventer to
>go unrepaired, and was grossly
>negligent in many other ways-all
>to make a buck and
>all at the risk of
>their workers.A gamble they lost
>and paid for with 11
>lives.
>
>As for the environment,the facts also
>clearly show BP lied about
>the safety of the Deepwater
>Horizon rig and its ability
>to respond if all those
>"failsafes" you mention fail.Which they
>did.What has happened proves that
>indisputably.
>
>Oil companies are out for the
>$$$ just like any other
>business.In that quest they will
>stop at almost nothing.So right,wrong,or
>indifferent-they must be regulated.They are
>like teenagers with a car-you'd
>like to be able to
>trust them to do the
>right thing but you just
>can't.I don't like government either
>but that is just the
>way it is.
>
>BTW in my personal experience the
>oil companies lie all the
>time about what they are
>going to do-i.e. repairing fences,locating
>pipelines in a certain place,not
>damaging your property,etc. As soon
>as you are out of
>sight they do whatever the
>hell they want.
>
>I'm convinced if the state and
>federal government weren't watching them
>this whole country would be
>full of holes leaking oil....
>


You are mistaken. The state and federal government regulates it for environmental impact, above that is money. They get a cut of the gas and oil the company sales, then the company pays taxes on the money they make from selling the product. As a pumper in a natural gas field in utah if I spill something get a slap on the hand and get it cleaned up. If gas is being taken out of the pipeline after the meter, tank seals (Id # on the valve you break before you can open the valve.) Then that's a felony and jailtime for the pumper and big fines for the company.

What are they more concerned with? Money or the environent? Before you call all oil companies greedy and they don't care about the environment look at the big picture.

Stuff happens and it really sucks when it does. Get it cleaned up and move on. Take legitimate precautions to keep it from happening.

Oilfield people used to be trashy people that didn't care but even in the last 5 years it has changed A LOT!

Clean and safe locations and roads are a huge part of my job. Weekly safety and emergency response meetings. Environmental training and so on. Areas where we have locations are very well taken care of and improved, guzzlers, ponds wildlife hang around there more than undeveloped areas. You can't make the same accusations that you might have been able to get away with 5 years ago.


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Yes sure it is viable.

We use similar bugs on small spills and stains on dirt. But takes long time for it get all the oil out of a 1/2 yard of dirt. With a large quantity of bugs or microbs.

So how many would they plan on dumping and would they do better in water????
 
According to the video they worked well in water off the Texas shore. It seems like they can multiply the supply quickly when needed.


1 Corinthians 2:2
 
*I am with Nickman on this. The earth will not even blink.
We need to clean it up, and we need to take precautions because I think terrorists will see this as an easy home run for them.
 

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