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Outdoordan
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Actually it seems to be slowing down some. I follow it daily and the numbers are leveling. Those numbers for the dead are cumulative, and the reality is, many of those dying were pre-existing and were/are on their death beds. In many cases this is just speeding up the inevitable. But you're right the death toll is up today.
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oilcan
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Sorry but all these people saying that most of the people dying with pre-existing conditions or on their deathbed or just saying that to make themselves feel better. I’ve got news for you just because you have pre-existing conditions does not mean you’re dying. Many of these people would have lived years if not many years with their current condition. Now if you’re talking about people who are nursing homes yes their time is very limited. For example I would be classified as a person with 2 underlying conditions neither of which will kill me on their own. I’m 53 years old and could possibly live another 30 years with the conditions I have but if I were to get the virus and it killed me and I would be classified a person with underlying conditions. But in reality the underlying conditions make the person unable to fight of the CV like a otherwise “healthy” person.
Outdoordan
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I understand that and that's why I said: "many of those dying are pre-existing and were/are on their death beds". I was pointing out it was an inflated figure because it is lethal to this group of people, and expeditiously sped up death. Another cause is influenza, and this is what the CDC says in regards to that:
"This season CDC estimates that, as of mid-March, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses."
"This season CDC estimates that, as of mid-March, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses."
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Your somewhat right.
But we have millions of cancer patients on chemo who have compromised immunity. Millions others with immunity disorders.
We have NEVER shut down the country for those folks.
When dad was doing chemo he isolated himself. If I sneezed I'd stay away from the house.
It's simple minded to pretend we have one good choice and one bad choice. We have one bad choice and another bad choice.
Businesses, companies, stores, etc have been extremely responsible, extremely understanding.
The track we are on we are asking them to commit suicide financially. Your asking kids to limit their educations. Your adking the country to weaken itself so badly that it retrears from the world stage.
(By you I mean society, not you personally)
The models said 2 million deaths. We slammed the door on the economy.
Now it's 60k projected.
Your now into flu territory
Yes. If we hadn't ........it would be worse.
100% correct.
But we did. It was never to be at zero cases or zero deaths. It was to keep the medical system from collapsing.
Does it mean 70k in a football stadium? No.
But can you open buisness capable of maintaining social distances ?
At some point we ate going to have to allow "elective" procedures. Medical or dental.
Bad choice vs bad choice.
As we see the toll of the collapsing. Economy, it's becoming more clear one choice is becoming more obvious. This ain't sustainable
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Today is April 8th and just today our county came out with a list of businesses that are shut down by order of the health department. Not an option to be open until further notice. Who dreamed up the list is unknown.
We're in it for the long haul.
Our local hospitals are furloughing employees because we have 3 COVID-19 patients and no elective procedures are being allowed.
We're in it for the long haul.
Our local hospitals are furloughing employees because we have 3 COVID-19 patients and no elective procedures are being allowed.
| General business | Health Officer order | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| Antique shops | NO | |
| Art galleries | NO | |
| Automobile detailing | NO | |
| Banquet rooms | NO | |
| Barber shops, nail salons and beauty shops | NO | |
| Bars and taverns | NO | |
| Bookstores | NO | |
| Bowling alleys | NO | |
| Candy shops | NO | |
| Car wash | NO | |
| Chocolate shops | NO | |
| Churches and other religious institutions | NO | |
| Clothing shops, boutique | NO | |
| Clothing stores | NO | |
| Conference center | NO | |
| Day or destination spas | NO | |
| Department stores | NO | Traditional department stores NO. Target-style stores YES. |
| Florists | NO | |
| Furniture stores | NO | |
| Gift shops | NO | |
| Golf courses | NO | |
| Golf driving ranges | NO | |
| Gymnastics schools and health clubs | NO | |
| Hobby shops | NO | |
| Interior decorating shops | NO | |
| Jewelry stores | NO | |
| Libraries | NO | |
| Massage and physical culture studios | NO | |
| Meeting halls | NO | |
| Men’s furnishing stores | NO | |
| Music and dance studios | NO | |
| Music stores | NO | |
| Pawn Shops | NO | |
| Pet grooming | NO | |
| Photographic supply stores and studios | NO | |
| Pool halls | NO | |
| Printing shops | NO | |
| Private clubs | NO | |
| Public and commercial recreation | NO | |
| Secondhand stores | NO | |
| Service clubs | NO | |
| Shoe stores | NO | |
| Shooting galleries within buildings | NO | |
| Stationery stores | NO | |
| Tailor and dressmaking shops | NO | |
| Taxidermists | NO | |
| Theaters and auditoriums within buildings | NO | |
| Thrift shops | NO | |
| Toy stores | NO | |
| Travel agencies and bureaus | NO | |
| Video sales and rental stores | NO | |
| Watch and clock, jewelry repair shops | NO | |
| Women’s apparel accessory store | NO |
elkassassin
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Hey SMACKDADDY?
You Still PUFFIN the Home Grown?
You Still PUFFIN the Home Grown?
feddoc
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IHME | COVID-19 Projections
Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.
covid19.healthdata.org
feddoc
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COVID-19 resources
www.imperial.ac.uk
elkassassin
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You Got Your Cell Phone Turned off today Homer?
Wiszard
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C'Mon Homer...you know the deal. Those numbers aren't actually supposed to be added up to be made sense of. It's the shear "numbers" that are important...regardless of if they add up. Like....100,000 deaths. No death is unimportant but the numbers they previously calculated couldn't have even been known due to the "unknown" virus. They were guessing...
Homer
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Your Kids have Probably Got It & Checking your History!
hossblur
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Floral shops?
There you go. A florist can't figure a way to social distance?
This is the complete jackazzery of what's going on.
The health department sitting around and instead trying desperately to find a way to keep buisness open, sits around dreaming of bullchit.
It's almost as if shutting down doesn't affect them?
jester
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Are still a pole smoker Bess?
eelgrass
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Get a land line. You can't lose those.
eelgrass
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They don't like taxidermists either. They might know Tristate.
eelgrass
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Here's the list of businesses that are okay to keep open. Cannabis is fine.
| Accounting firms | YES | |
| Airports | YES | By federal law |
| Ambulance services | YES | |
| Animal Shelters | YES | |
| Animal Supply | YES | |
| Architects/Drafters/Engineers | YES | |
| Attorney/Law office | YES | |
| Automobile sales | YES | With distancing in place. Supports necessary transportation. |
| Automobile service | YES | |
| Automobile supply stores | YES | |
| Bail bonds | YES | |
| Bakeries | YES | Delivery and curbside only |
| Banks | YES | |
| Bed and breakfast | YES | Open only to Humboldt County residents or essential workers |
| Beverage distributors | YES | |
| Bicycle shops | YES | |
| Boat repair and ship building | YES | |
| Boat sales, services and repairs | YES | |
| Bottling works | YES | |
| Breweries and distilleries | YES | Storefront remains closed |
| Cabinet shops | YES | |
| Cannabis cultivation | YES | |
| Cannabis dispensaries | YES | Delivery and curbside only |
| Cannabis distributors | YES | |
| Cannabis labs | YES | |
| Cannabis manufacturing | YES | |
| Carpet and flooring | YES | |
| Cellular phone stores | YES | |
| Cemeteries | YES | |
| Cleaning, coin-operated | YES | |
| Cold storage plants | YES | |
| Columbariums and crematories | YES | |
| Commercial fishing facilities | YES | |
| Computer and communications equipment stores | YES | |
| Corporation yards | YES | |
| Delicatessen stores | YES | Curbside only |
| Drugstores | YES | |
| Dry goods stores | YES | |
| Electrical repair shops | YES | |
| Electronics manufacturing | YES | |
| Emergency shelters | YES | |
| Employment agencies | YES | |
| Family care homes and halfway houses | YES | With limitations |
| Feed and fuel stores | YES | |
| Fabric stores | YES | For essential business only (such as mask-making) |
| Finance companies | YES | |
| Fish products processing and packaging | YES | |
| Fishing supplies | YES | |
| Food stores and supermarkets | YES | |
| Frozen food distributors | YES | |
| Garden shops | YES | |
| Glass and glass products manufacture | YES | |
| Gun shops/Firearm stores | YES | |
| Hardware stores | YES | |
| Heating and ventilating shops | YES | |
| Hospital/Medical supply/Equipment | YES | |
| Hospitals | YES | |
| Hotels and motels | YES | Open only to Humboldt County residents and essential workers |
| Household appliance stores | YES | |
| Household repair shops | YES | |
| Hunting supplies | YES | |
| Ice and cold storage facilities | YES | |
| Janitorial services and supplies | YES | |
| Kennels | YES | |
| Laboratories | YES | |
| Laundries, self-service type | YES | |
| Laundry plants | YES | |
| Landscaping/Lawncare | YES | |
| Linen supply services | YES | |
| Liquor stores | YES | |
| Locksmiths | YES | |
| Lumber yards, not including planing mills or saw mills | YES | |
| Machine shops | YES | |
| Machine tools manufacture | YES | |
| Machinery sales and rentals | YES | |
| Manufacture and assembly of electrical supplies | YES | |
| Manufacture and maintenance of commercial advertising structures | YES | |
| Manufacture of scientific, medical, dental, and drafting instruments, orthopedic and medical appliances, optical goods, watches and clocks, electronics equipment, precision instruments, musical instruments, and cameras and photographic equipment, except film | YES | |
| Manufacturing, assembling, compounding, packaging, and processing cosmetics, drugs, pharmaceuticals, perfumes, perfumed toilet soap (not including refining or rendering of fats or oils) and toiletries | YES | |
| Manufacturing, canning and packing of food products | YES | |
| Marine oil terminals | YES | |
| Medical and dental offices | YES | |
| Mortuaries | YES | |
| Motorcycle sales and services | YES | With distancing in place. Supports necessary transportation. |
| Nurseries and garden supply stores | YES | |
| Optician and optometrical shops | YES | |
| Outdoor/Survival stores | YES | |
| Paint, glass and wallpaper shops | YES | |
| Paper products manufacture | YES | |
| Parcel delivery services | YES | |
| Pest control | YES | |
| Pet and bird stores | YES | To maintain life and health of animals |
| Plumbing shops | YES | |
| Post offices | YES | |
| Prescription pharmacies and dental and optical laboratories | YES | |
| Realtors | YES | |
| Restaurants and soda fountains, including drive-in establishments | YES | Curbside only |
| Roadside stands for the sale of agricultural produce grown on the site. | YES | |
| Seafood processing | YES | |
| Septic tank and cesspool installation and service | YES | |
| Service stations, including essential auto, truck and trailer rentals. | YES | |
| Sheet metal shops | YES | |
| Television and radio sales and repair stores | YES | |
| Tire sales and service, including retreading and recapping | YES | |
| Title company | YES | |
| Tool and cutlery sharpening or grinding | YES | |
| Truck and trailer rentals, sales and services | YES | |
| Vending machine services | YES | |
| Veterinarians’ offices and small animal hospitals | YES | |
| Warehouses | YES | Depends on service within |
| Welding shops | YES | |
| Wholesale establishments | YES | |
| Woodworking shops | YES | Only in support of housing projects |
elkassassin
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Hey Eel!
I'm a Little Disappointed with Your List!
I'm a Little Disappointed with Your List!
elkassassin
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Looks like anything to do with Cannabis still Flies!
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eelgrass
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That's why people are buried 6' under. To keep social distancing.
eelgrass
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Hey Eel!
I'm a Little Disappointed with Your List!
You need to work and find that water leak in my neighborhood.
oilcan
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I don’t understand this at all, some of the el
Some “elective” surgeries seem necessary. Not like there getting a boob job.
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NVBighorn
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As are vaginal rejuvinations
chipc
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Hoss, Dry goods is clothing
So you'd rather have someone recovering from a hip replacement surgery that could be postponed several months occupying a hospital bed instead of a critically ill patient with COVID 19 ? Hospitals and health care facilities are taking a worst case scenario approach and they have to. What if they allowed all of those elective surgeries and there was a surge of cases with no where to go. What if one of those elective surgery patients was exposed in the hospital and then died ? There would be no end to the "I told you so" wailing. The fact is there are no easy answers and there are millions of back seat drivers and conspiracy theorists. My prayer is that the people who say we've over -reacted to this can say "I told you so". Even though the "over -reaction" is likely why the result was better than anticipated.
chipc
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"Elective surgery or elective procedure (from the Latin eligere, meaning to choose) is surgery that is scheduled in advance because it does not involve a medical emergency".
oilcan
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I could understand in places getting hit hard.
My best friends sister is a nurse in a outpatient surgery department and she said they are sitting around not doing anything. But I could see how they don’t want to bring people in who could possibly be positive and infect more people.
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I keep hearing about a shortage of PPE. Could that possibly have anything to do with no elective surgery? Trying to save what they have for those that need it?
hossblur
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You realize there are thousands and thousands of people who die in the hospital from diseases they xatch while in the hospital, right?
We can play what if until the cows come home.
That's why we have DATA. And in Utah, the data doesn't support the it.
