DFG ripping us off

NECALI

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What's with the new regulation that you can't get a refund if you put in for the premium hunt drawing for deer and don't get drawn. You used to be able to get your tag purchase price back- less some application fee. Now they keep it all.
What a JOKE CALI is getting to be. If I was 25 years younger I'd be moving out of this rip-off state. Cost's almost $70.00 to put in for a premium hunt.
 
Why should we be surprised??? The govenment will do anything to get every nickel they can from us.
 
Where did you read that BS?

The only things you don't get refunds on are elk, antelope and sheep.

The deer tag is still a refund if you mark the box and are not drawn.

I hate the DFG as much as anyone, but in this case, you missed something.

Thanks a lot for giving them the idea though....Geez!
 
>Where did you read that BS?
>
>
>The only things you don't get
>refunds on are elk, antelope
>and sheep.
>
>The deer tag is still a
>refund if you mark the
>box and are not drawn.
>
>
>I hate the DFG as much
>as anyone, but in this
>case, you missed something.
>
> Thanks a lot for giving
>them the idea though....Geez!

Nope they changed it this year, now if the wife and I don't get our first choice she has to eat the cost of the tag since she doesn't bow hunt. Look at page 7 of the biggame digest under whats new this year.

Richard
 
When I recived my daughters lifetime license the no tag refund was one of a few proposed items listed in a letter that came with it, the other items were making c zone and a few d zones premeum tags.
 
Well, I stand corrected......my bad. I'll have my wife spank me in the morning. Feel free to roast me however you choose.

That is what happens when you don't get the book. The application still has the refund box. Why would they leave that?

Now, just in case you thought I might roll over on this....has anybody done the math here?

The profit from this latest screwing is HUGE!!

I ain't going to do it all but, if you just use the infamous G3 zone.....Something like 4000 guys apply, 35 of them draw. If half of those who did not draw G3 caught their 2nd or 3rd choice, or took a leftover, then something around 2000 hunters kicked in about $55,000 to DFG.....and didn't get "flimsy squadiddly" for the money. That is just ONE zone!

It is simply one more way for the State to say, "Look, we don't want you people hunting here and if we can't ban it outright, then by God, you are going to pay out your azz for the privilage."

I'm so pissed, I may just go out and shoot a cat!
 
$28 is small campared to the income tax increase we had this year. I normally get a small amount back, had to pay hundreds more than they already took out of my paycheck this year....And if you have kids in college, they really bent you over! Way more money for less service. CA just plain screwes us, it's not one particular branch.

At least this tax is optional. You can protest it by not applying;)
 
California for sure has a high dollar raping but still I would not want to live anywhere else at this point in my life...I maybe I am just fortunate enough to have the job and friends allow me to absorb increases moneys that bother so many..
I do not let the little things bother me...again I may not feel the pain... I choose to just roll with it!
gasoline has been over 3 buck a gallon, ammo is though the roof ..if you find what you want!
Giants can't win a game against San Diego(which just might be the end of the world) ........oh wait that there batting..
then there the "oh if I were younger I'd move from this turd hole ....GIVE ME A FRIUCKING BREAK..Enough already! you guys make me taste vomit in my mouth! where you going to go?
you can go anywhere on half of what you spend here yearly, so don't use DF&G as chicken chit excuse!
happy trails..."bar keep"...another jack and coke....make it a double!
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rackmaster
 
That would be one mans opinion.

It's not WHAT they do here, it's HOW they do it and WHAT you get after it's DONE.

Glad you are OK with it.....
 
Not the land of milk and honey anymore. Rack can stay here and support the ones who chose not to work and suck the state dry...
 
California is after all the "Welfare state", they need to supplement their income due to "insuficent funds." As long as California continues to support the scum bags and the mantality of something for nothing, then were all screwed. But thank god Rack master is willing to take the shaft for all of us.

Check out prop 187 proposed in 1994. would have been nice..........but no!!!!!!!! it offended the fragile sensability of leaches.
 
You that don't like it you should show them and not apply, hurt them in the pocket. Also help me out with the point race.
Jay
 
I agree! Don't apply! Hit them in the pocketbook if you feel it's a ripoff.

I practice what I preach, I sent OR a letter explaining that they don't offer nonresidents enough (3-5% quota that gets cherry picked in the guide draw) to make giving them the new nearly doubled fees to apply worth it. I'm never sending them another penny unless they make the value worth it, either with a more reasonable tag quota, less money, or a combination of both...I have 10 points in OR across the board too...
 
Its cheaper to get bouns/prefrence points in utah and wyoming as a none resident then it costs for a point in cali if you are a resident,I am glade I use my license for other things like turkey and upland game if I didnt and was just puting in for premiums I would tell them to stick it.
 
Thats tough to swallow.Having that many points in Oregon and being willing to kiss it all goodbye. That's one of the only reasons I will keep putting in for the draw here in CA. I have max points and will hunt a B zone if I don't get drawn. But my wife likes to hunt every few years when she can draw a 6A tag. But she would take the refund because she has no interest in traveling to a B zone. Now she may just decide to quit putting in altogether. Thanks DFG. I think you will lose some hunters over this.
 
Yea i didnt get a fishing license this year. the more they jack up the price the more they think they can get away with it. More people should wake up and stop taking it in the a$$.
 
It wouldnt be that bad if our money went back into the resources...But instead DFG bends over and takes it from anti groups...Lead ban and lack of fish stocking/planting for example...




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LAST EDITED ON May-14-10 AT 01:05PM (MST)[p]You need to read and understand what they say...

it's the application fee, a bank breaking $4 that they keep.
not the Tag fee...

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 4 dollars

wyo charges #75 for a point for moose plus application fees.$50 for elk + app fee's
deer 40, antelope 30
Nev you have to buy a Lic plus application fees, $142, non refundable if you want a point.
same with Az.
calif is cheep'
We have it easy
I throw away over $500 each year in fee's and sometimes get no tag. add the wife and it's over a grand.
calif is cheap...
 
>LAST EDITED ON May-14-10
>AT 01:05?PM (MST)
>
>You need to read and understand
>what they say...
>
>it's the application fee, a bank
>breaking $4 that they keep.
>
>not the Tag fee...
>
>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 4 dollars
>
>wyo charges #75 for a point
>for moose plus application fees.$50
>for elk + app fee's
>
>deer 40, antelope 30
>Nev you have to buy a
>Lic plus application fees, $142,
>non refundable if you want
>a point.
>same with Az.
>calif is cheep'
>We have it easy
>I throw away over $500 each
>year in fee's and sometimes
>get no tag. add the
>wife and it's over a
>grand.
>calif is cheap...
Could you please tell us how you come up with $4

Richard
 
Application fees for deer tag applications are $4
you get your tag fee's refunded !!!
Application fee's for other species are non refundable too. be glad we don't have to seed in the tag fees for these.
elk $7.50
Ante. $7.50. sheep $7.50

it's in the regs.

Online, as the book is not out yet.
 
PAGE 9
On the right side. At the top.
just below where it says,
Hunting licenses
&tag fees.

Deer and bear tag application fees are $4 4 Bucks, 4 dollars

You get the tag fee back, If you check the box. and are not drawn for your G3 tag.
Got it !!!
 
>PAGE 9
>On the right side. At the
>top.
>just below where it says,
>Hunting licenses
>&tag fees.
>
>Deer and bear tag application
>fees are $4
>4 Bucks, 4 dollars
>
>You get the tag fee back,
>If you check the box.
>and are not drawn for
>your G3 tag.
>Got it !!!


Then why do they say in the whats new this year that it's the whole price? Also on the letter they sent out with the self adhesive ID stickers that it's $26.50. I don't know where they came up with that amount. The cofusion may be that according to them, if you put in for the draw and apply for a premium hunt, you lose it. If you don't put in for a premium tag and for some reason want a refund then you can get all but $4.00 back
 
Dean, how are you doing? Its called job guarantee when you can make things confusing. Now, shall we hire an attorney to straighten them out as most of them have a few dents in their fenders? RICK
 
Doing great. Love it up here in Susanville.Good to here from you. I had no idea that was you as BomberBlackies.
 
>>PAGE 9
>>On the right side. At the
>>top.
>>just below where it says,
>>Hunting licenses
>>&tag fees.
>>
>>Deer and bear tag application
>>fees are $4
>>4 Bucks, 4 dollars
>>
>>You get the tag fee back,
>>If you check the box.
>>and are not drawn for
>>your G3 tag.
>>Got it !!!
>
>
>Then why do they say in
>the whats new this year
>that it's the whole price?
>Also on the letter they
>sent out with the self
>adhesive ID stickers that it's
>$26.50. I don't know where
>they came up with that
>amount. The cofusion may be
>that according to them, if
>you put in for the
>draw and apply for a
>premium hunt, you lose it.
>If you don't put in
>for a premium tag and
>for some reason want a
>refund then you can get
>all but $4.00 back

Thats how its always been, now it says you don't get any back, unless your a nonresident.

Richard
 
>PAGE 9
>On the right side. At the
>top.
>just below where it says,
>Hunting licenses
>&tag fees.
>
>Deer and bear tag application
>fees are $4
>4 Bucks, 4 dollars
>
>You get the tag fee back,
>If you check the box.
>and are not drawn for
>your G3 tag.
>Got it !!!
Look at the pics below and pay attention to what I highlighted in red.

Richard
regs.jpg

app.jpg
 
I spoke with a gal at the Fresno office regarding this very subject. I was told zero money would be refunded. We were only interested in a first choice for my wife. But she will get a D13 tag that she'll probably not use if she doesn't draw it.

Don P.
 
Hire a flippin lawyer and have him contact fish and game for an answer. I'm huntin Idaho and don't really give a damn!
This state just uses F&G for additional general funds revenue anyway!
 
>Hire a flippin lawyer and have
>him contact fish and game
>for an answer. I'm
>huntin Idaho and don't really
>give a damn!
>This state just uses F&G for
>additional general funds revenue anyway!
>


WOW this is a real helpful post. Now why don't you tell us how you really feel.

Richard
 
It's going to get worse. Today governor pelosiforbrains announced he is planning on cutting F&G's funds by five hundred mil! WTF? F&G cops are the lowest paid in the state! Think about this; dang near every encounter they have is with an armed person. F&G can't afford to cut their staffing. Like it or not those are the guys that attempt to protect our game from those that would be happy to poach all they could. My guess is we will see a dramatic increase in fees next year.

Norkal


INVEST IN LEAD FOR THE TIMES AHEAD!
 
Most of the other western states take in most of their wildlife department money from gouging nonresidents, many of which are from California. They use this nonresident money to subsidize low resident license fees. If DFG could market to and gouge nonresidents and keep the money (not send it to the general fund), might be a thought. They could offer a reasonable quota of nonresident tags fot elk, sheep and antelope as a start, get more nonresident suckers to buy the nonresident license they will use only to apply for the draws. Maybe try more special draw hunts for blacktails as our mulies can't compete with those of other western states...and market other CA unique opportunity. Of course, the state would have to let DFG keep the money it takes in to make it worth it:)

As far as state budget cuts, what do you do? There is no money. Our politicians have ruined our economy, spent too much and there is not much left...
 
Not only is this a ripoff, but has anyone foundany lic or tags for sale yet?
There are none to be found in my county as of Friday, their excuse for the delay is forloughs...



Stop Global Whining
 
$4-$26.50, whatever, I'm taking a $1,500.00 a month cut based just on furloughs. Then the "loan" on income tax we're all given the state. BTW, did any of you see their loan application??? When I need a loan, I fill out an application. They just raise income tax with holdings 10% claiming you'll get it back next year. IMO the $4 or $26.50 is chump change.

Nimrod is right, .5 Billion outta F&G, 1 Billion more outta Corrections. Lets just start bussing more illegals into Kali, set their kids up in nice schools, drive them to free health care clinics, etc. Why not, we can afford it cause we'll just gouge the tax payer some more.

Rack may be the only one left in another 5 years.

Wether it's Nv, Id, Co or NM, I move to, I'll still be a Giants fan :)
 
I was unable to walk out with my bear tag from the Fresno office on Thurs. First time I have seen where they did not have them. They told me they would mail it to me like my deer app.

It has occured to me that the fee hikes and the fact that the booklet is not readily avail. is not just a coincidence?
 
this is only a few dollors and cents . Hunting has always been a very expensive adventure. Ever sence I was young the statment has been hunting will someday be only for the rich. Most all the states rip us of if you think about it. I dont go to the casinos, but applying for tags has been the biggest gambles ever . for most off us. We have all been cought in the tag pools as fools. The states know it and they will do what they want and raise there fees to what they feel.( supply-demand.)Its not fare ,but they also see what people will pay for that same tag going threw a landowner$$$ they want a cut of that.apply for all the states for a chance to hunt a trophy is what I do ,I think Iam addicted to the chance like most of us are, and yes they are in some cases taking advantage of this addiction , but I see theres nothing we can do just pay it , or hunt on general tags.hope I didnt ramble to much
 
missalot.........that is FUNNY!

You will be on the "list" now.

It is not "politically correct" to point out the obvious failures of the American school system.

The "informationally challenged" are also off limits as topics of humor.
 
California never ceases to amaze me. Makes you wonder if this brilliant move will increase poaching in the state..

"The value of any trophy from the field depends not on its size but on the magnitude of the effort expended in its pursuit." ~ Aldo Leopold
 

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