Eastmans' on the way out?

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I think most people have probably noticed the recent decline in Eastmans' Hunting Journal (For example, they consistently can't perform the most basic task of copying and pasting tag numbers, season dates, etc...)

For them to let it get as bad as it is suggests to me that maybe we are seeing the beginning of the end?

What do you think?

Excavator
 
I still like them. I know they make an occasional mistake I can live with that. I feel like they are real hunters, they have had my business for I would guess 20 years and they will continue to have it. I usually cross reference the stats in MRS. Section as I would guess most serious hunters would.
 
>I still like them. I
>know they make an occasional
>mistake I can live with
>that. I feel like
>they are real hunters, they
>have had my business for
>I would guess 20 years
>and they will continue to
>have it. I usually
>cross reference the stats in
>MRS. Section as I would
>guess most serious hunters would.
>
+1
 
I would say most serious hunters do cross reference the information, but that does not mean they should be given a pass for printing blatantly incorrect information.
 
It does seem like Eastmans is awful sloppy anymore but I doubt they're going anywhere.

The Hunt'in Fool is going downhill faster. it peaked a few years after Garth started it and has become just generic information combined with advertisments and never ending membership drives. I used to gripe about Garth but it was better when he owned it.


Today I think Eastmans information is as good as the Hunt'in Fools IF they'd get it printed correct. just verify everything to be safe no matter where it comes from.










Stay thirsty my friends
 
I have been alternating years between hunting magazines because I get sick of them after a year. I'm on my Eastmans year right now.
I like huntin fool but do get sick of the daily emails asking for money.
I renewed western hunter last month after a year off.
 
Them as well as HF have been publishing a few totally incorrect bits of information in two different states that majorly impact my hunt strategy. And this is after 20 years applying. Pretty big deal for risking 18-20 points. But I don't say anything about these. Just use them to my advantage.

***********************************
Member RMEF, Pope & Young Club, NRA, UWC & DP Hate Club
 
The funny part is that most all of that information can be obtained for free elsewhere with just a little effort . . . People pay for free information (that sometimes gets reported incorrectly!) and the continued exploitation of our wildlife resources only to get their panties in a wad when they can't draw. Good stuff.
 
Eastmans is nothing more than a bunch of unqualified kids...........with VERY high turnover no less. Comical for these Dudes to be giving advice in what is supposed to be a serious trophy hunting endeavor.

Hunter submitted stories are still fine.

I know a guy who once applied for unit 101 deer in Wyoming cuz they published a season of November 15-31. He thought it would be a great rut hunt. He later found out, after drawing it, the actual season was October 15-31........as it always has been.
 
>I think both of the, do
>a good job. If you
>don't like it don't subscribe
>to them.


I absolutely, positively don't.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-01-15 AT 07:43PM (MST)[p]If you treat Eastmans as a hunting magazine, it's a good read. If you treat it like the Bible, then you put in for hunts that don't exist. The Game and Fish has a website for a reason.
 
"On the way out" seems like an unfair characterization. It implies that Eastman's is finished, which I am sure is far from the truth.

While I have been a loyal Eastman subscriber since their beginning, I have always treated every bit of information I get, as entertainment, and I do my own investigation.

If misinformation is what sends you "On the way out", then this forum is in deeeep trouble!!!!!
 
If you apply for a unit based solely on a magazine, and dont even bother to check the game and fish of that state for their official regulations...well then you might just deserve to be screwed. The eastmans group is a good group of people that love to hunt, as does everyone on this site. Just because they screw up numbers occasionally, doesnt mean they are on their "way out". All types of magazines screw up. I subscribe for the stories, pictures, reviews, etc...I definitely dont decide my hunting season on what they say is the place to put in for and when.
 
Are you guys actually suggesting........that Eastmans puts out a magazine via subscription & newsstand.........charges for it.........PLAYS UP THE MRS SECTION IN ORDER TO SELL IT..........but shouldn't be responsible for their own published mistakes???
 
LOL chewyman!

I know a Guy that Reads these just like a Bible!

"Should Produce 180"-190" Class Bucks"

Now how GD Hard was that to Print?

I can show you many a Places that "Should" produce Big Bucks!

But Thanks to PISS POOR Management it Ain't Happening!






We laugh, we cry, we love
Go hard when the going's tough
Push back, come push and shove
Knock us down, we'll get back up again and again
We are Members of the Huntin Crowd!
 
I think HF forced Eastmans to evolve, and they just wanted to be a hunting magazine that had pics and stories.

HF has raised the bar of these publications, but, I do get tired of the membership drives and raffles.

That being said, I would never apply for a hunt I am unfamiliar with, with out cross referencing the data.

HF is just one tool of many when it comes to getting hunts.
 
"Are you guys actually suggesting........that Eastmans puts out a magazine via subscription & newsstand.........charges for it.........PLAYS UP THE MRS SECTION IN ORDER TO SELL IT..........but shouldn't be responsible for their own published mistakes???"

Yuuup. That's exactly what I'm saying.

"Eastmans Hunting Journal is not responsible for errors contained within. YOU MUST DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!" Taken right from the MRS section.

They know it's not 100% accurate, so why would you?

Even Sigfried and Jensen wouldn't take on your case.
 
>"Are you guys actually suggesting........that Eastmans
>puts out a magazine via
>subscription & newsstand.........charges for it.........PLAYS
>UP THE MRS SECTION IN
>ORDER TO SELL IT..........but shouldn't
>be responsible for their own
>published mistakes???"
>
>Yuuup. That's exactly what I'm saying.
>
>
>"Eastmans Hunting Journal is not responsible
>for errors contained within. YOU
>MUST DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!"
>Taken right from the MRS
>section.
>
>They know it's not 100% accurate,
>so why would you?
>
>Even Sigfried and Jensen wouldn't take
>on your case.


So what does MRS stand for???
 
Members research section...exactly what that sounds like... a place to do research, not a place to find the official regulations. They publish right on the front page of every MRS that you should check with state regulations and DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH! ...I would say they are being pretty straightforward that they dont guarantee anything but a place to gather info to aid in your choices...not make them.
 
So they advise.........do your own research...........but DON'T USE OUR MRS AS A RESEARCH TOOL........even tho we sold it to you as one???

Wow, I'm in the wrong business. I need to find one where I can sell a product for a very specific purpose........and not be accountable if it doesn't work correctly. This would be like selling a vehicle with fancy, high-tech 4-wheel disc brakes.........but if they fail and you die we're not responsible because you should have shopped around more and not trusted that our brakes would actually work.

And no, I don't subscribe to either of the publications mentioned in this thread.

And, BTW........even state regulation booklets have errors. And they issue corrections.
 
Bingo chewyman. Striphunter you're anology of brake failure is out there. Definitely not apples to apples comparison.

I enjoy going out to the mailbox every month to find an Eastmans magazine. I like the stories and the pictures. Much better than the monthly gas and electric bill.
 
I have subscribed to Eastman's magazine for several years. I like the stories and pictures of good bucks and elk taken by hunters in areas I would never have a chance to hunt. From what little I know, Guy seems like a hunter that gets back into the back country and hunts. I don't believe I have seen him riding a four wheeler road hunting. Maybe some of you have. Now don't get your drawers in a wad, I am not saying that is the way all of you hunt. Since I don't hunt out of state, I really don't pay much attention to the MRS. I do understand those of you that are building points wanting reliable information. However, as mentioned above, the best source is to check with the Game and Fish in that area.

aceman
 
You can go on all day long about whether their errors and mistakes should or should not matter to readers. However, the fact is that it does matter to some readers, and for that reason, it seems illogical from a business standpoint to let it keep occurring.

It seems a part time proofreader or editor would more than pay for itself.

Maybe I should have named the subject of this thread differently. I certainly do not wish any ill will on the Eastmans. Again, I am just a little amazed at some of the mistakes I have seen as of late.

Excavator
 
Two years ago I actually phoned HF seeking clarification about a major regulation in their own state of Utah. They said they'd call me back and never did. I called UTDOW and got written confirmation about this rule, confirming the HF posting was totally incorrect. My applications have been adjusted accordingly.

***********************************
Member RMEF, Pope & Young Club, NRA, UWC & DP Hate Club
 
Due to some gross errors in the MRS section over my two years of subscribing I canceled my subscription. I only subscribed for the MRS sections anyway. HF may have a mistake or two, but I haven't really noticed any. I also think the state information in the HF is much better.

To each their own.
 
Iv'e done Eastmans for 20 years, don't take it as a bible, just decsent read.You can get all the info You need on the hunting web now days. If I have 19-20 points I sure as hell aint relying on these 2 magazines for My choices....BULL
 
Silly threads like this one are DESIGNED to start false internet rumors.
Eastman's does a credible job and produces an entertaining magazine. If you don't think so, don't subscribe.

Their subscription levels tell the real story, and they aren't going anywhere. They are still the group with the target on their back, as all the other western hunting mags just hope they could have half the paid subscriptions. (HF has been giving away so many subscriptions lately it is total joke.)

Could they do better - absolutely, almost everyone can. If you want to provide some constructive criticism, fine, but this OP must have some hidden agenda or hidden jealousy.

Bill
 
HF had the old (incorrect) unit map for deer in this year's WY magazine. It does say to refer to the regs for the actual boundaries, but you think they would get it right. It almost cost me big time, but luckily Topgun pointed it out to me. Thanks again Topgun.
 
What is the total number of paid subscriptions of Eastmans? How about Muley Crazy, HF, Trophy Hunter and Big Buck??? Anyone in the know? Just curious.
 
I remember when Mike Eastman promised 'no advertising'. That was the motto of his magazine. Last time I checked it was mostly advertising.

I remember when Garth Carter said 'we are closing the new membership'. That was in the late 1990's....as I recall. I thought I was in on something great.

I was a member of both of these from almost day one. Mike Eastman had a booth at the Rocky Mtn Mule Deer Federation (a defunct ripoff org) expo in SLC in 1989 or so. He gave me some free magazines and I subscribed for a looooong time after that.
 
Llamapacker,

Come on Man. You can't be serious. My thread topic was designed to start false rumors, and I have some sort of hidden agenda or hidden jealousy? Really??

That truly is some funny stuff.

All I am is some guy that subscribes to Eastmans' and has seen the magazine get, in my opinion, progressively worse to the point where I feel the MRS carries little value.

As explained in my previous post, it seems quite perplexing to me that quite a few easily preventable errors are continually published.

Excavator
 
Most errors I've noticed have been copy & paste issues that weren't edited. If one magazine can have an entire staff walk out without a magazine ready and it still publish quickly you know that's what's going on. Won't fault them for copying&pasting old info. Some things don't change much so no reason to reinvent the wheel and it's easy to overlook.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-02-15 AT 09:47PM (MST)[p]I have always liked and enjoyed Eastmans for what it is; hunter's entertainment!
Horn-porn, information on products, opinion, great pictures and hunt stories☺️

Oh yeah, the MRS, which is nothing more than Clif Notes. An abbreviated capsule of their opinion of places to apply for tags.

My new favorite hunt mag is Western Hunter, which seems to give a bit more on prep, exercise, and more equipment reviews. Great stories as well...,

Ed
 
Eastmans Hunting is approx 58k paid circulation and approx 148k readership.

Eastmans Bow Hunting is approx 35k paid and approx 88k readership
 
The circulation numbers surprised me. I would have guessed about half those numbers. WH is a good magazine...except last year when the cover announced that a 365" mike deer was killed. Maybe it was 350", but definately over 320"s. Great headlines to have the mag fly off the magazine rack!

Muley Crazy is still my favorite with Big Buck a distant second.
 
>Wasn't Western Hunter part of the
>AZ tag grab SFW style?
>


Yep.

Wasn't it one of the Dudes that was associated with the WH mag as well as the ADA that supported the SFW Arizona movement?

I may be wrong here.......but it was definitely something of that nature.

Auction tags are huuuuuuge fundraisers for those types of orgs.
 
You're not wrong.
Western Hunter mag/Wilderness Athlete/Elk Hunter mag. Floyd Greene and Chris Denham, up to their eyebrows in it.
 
Wouldn't read a Western Hunter....SFW... magazine if it was free !! or any other magazine those guys are part of .
 
I stopped subscribing to Eastmans' after my last subscription. It bothers me that they can have an opinion on all of these units, and some of their assessments of units are questionable.

Also when I'm paying for the odds data I expect the information to be correct, there were many of times when I would find information that was conflicting with their data.

My favorite part about some of the Eastmans' followers; they believe the "know" the units based off what they read and will share their "knowledge" with others without ever actually setting foot on a unit.
 
You think that if he saw the date of November 31st, he would know that something was wrong.
 
Personally, I don't read mags, watch hunting shows, or read hunting books.

I prefer to do my own thing. That way I can't blame anybody but myself, and it makes me try harder.

Although my dad did teach me to hunt a long time ago. That gave me a good start, but i've learned a lot since then.
 
If I followed and objected to every political faction of all sources of entertainment, which iincludes TV, movies, music, internet blogs, (excluding Monster Muleys, of course), social media and magazines, I would not enjoy many of the things that bring me happiness.
If you look hard and long enough, you can find fault with anything!
I will continue to subscribe to both Eastman's Hunting Journal and Western Hunter as I enjoy both publications as I like both for the core concept of hunting big game animals found in here in the west.

Ed
 
>>Personally, I don't read mags, watch
>>hunting shows, or read hunting
>>books.
>>
>>I prefer to do my own
>>thing. That way I can't
>>blame anybody but myself, and
>>it makes me try harder.
>>
>>
>>Although my dad did teach me
>>to hunt a long time
>>ago. That gave me a
>>good start, but i've learned
>>a lot since then.
>
>
>
>But you do read forums.......right???
>
>Also, why don't you post up
>some pics of your totally
>self-earned monster muleys......Mr. Ego?
>
>Also, please post this on the
>correct thread......the "WOW" one.


Just stating what I do. Isn't that what you do on forums? I wasn't trying to Wow anybody. What were you trying to do, besides act like a fool?
 
If ya don't like it then don't buy it.

For me its personal. Ike called me up back in 2011 to give me some info on where a mountain goat was located. He was right about the goat being huge but thing ended not making it through the winter. So for me that was really nice of him. And Guy is my neighbor is a nice guy to talk to about stuff.
 
I was going to make a similar post a few weeks ago. Yes I too find a LOT of problems with there stats/charts. Tons of errors, not a few - a lot of key ones I caught that completely changed my decision. Wonder how many I missed?????????

I do not like to bash but it is bad, I hope they read this and make some corrections. I want to see them fix it before to many get frustrated.

I have spoken with Guy a few times and he seems like a good guy. Pun intended. Iroinc I think the pic next to the box I am typing in is a pic of Guy!

DonV OH
 
Muley, That was great post.No need to prove nothin to nobody. Keep on huntin Brother, the same way My dad taught Me.,I get Eastmans but not for the MRS only. Thats an extra bonus and if you get lucky and get a tip out of there, You scored. Years ago they did not even have that section But half the guys on here were not alive yet either. Happy hunting all............BULL!
 

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