Even local rancers ALL agree ODFW cant manage wolves

It is great to see the public get involved. They must have not advertised the meeting very well if only 40 people showed up. I encourage everyone to send comments to ODFW and the Commission about Oregon's Wolf Plan and their review. I have heard that there will probably be no changes made, but it doesn't hurt to try and send comments and show up to meetings. Thanks for the link BMA. I hope DOW pays for all those lost livestock.
 
I disagree.

Since we want the wolves gone can you think of anyone better to manage wolves than ODFW? look what they've done with the mule deer.
 
"Marlyn Riggs of USDA Wildlife Services confirmed that the calf had been killed by a wolf or wolves. Russ Morgan, ODFW wolf specialist from the Northeast Oregon regional office in La Grande, did not agree."

There is the difference between the two agencies. One person knew because of evidence. The other looked in the wolf kill manual and had to make some phone calls, write a report, and still can't confirm. Maybe ODFStupid will come back with natural causes as the death. Great post BOB :) Can't wait to hear what WSU comes up with. Not only the closest school, but I like that they went to an out of state school for research so they can't be bought off as easy.
 
>I encourage everyone to send
>comments to ODFW and the
>Commission about Oregon's Wolf Plan
>and their review. I
>have heard that there will
>probably be no changes made,
>but it doesn't hurt to
>try and send comments and
>show up to meetings.

and that pretty much sums up what we have been talking about for the last week here. it doesn't matter what they hear, they are set in what they are going to do. something isn't right about that
 
Ya, thought this info might be apealing to al of us that are very upset about this whole issue!

I would be interested to see Russ Morgans WOLF KNOWLEDGE CRIDENTIALS!!
 
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Moved this down to post 10 so it would be in order. Sorry, still figuring out how this site functions.
 
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>Read this one too....specially you BS....now someone tell me why ODFW WOULD not agree that this was a wolf kill? Russ Morgan is NOT A WOLF BIOLOGIST!
>
>If ODFW would have agreed that a wolf killed this livestock,
>it would opened up alot of avenues to help this emergency! But NOOOOO......read this guys....
>
>
> http://www.lagrandeobserver.com/News/Local-News/Sheriff-disputes-ODFW-finding-on-calf-kill


Given what's been going on in Wallowa County, it is very probable that the calf was indeed killed by a wolf. I absolutely agree that the wolf problem needs to be addressed, and soon! The ranchers need help, and the ability to help themselves. Their livelihood depends on their ability to protect their property.

Ok, here goes. I'll make the guess you requested. I'll probably get flamed badly. Oh well.

One article says ?The carcass had very little flesh remaining and had already begun to decompose?

People in all professions disagree all the time. Even though others concluded it was a wolf, perhaps there wasn?t enough left of the calf for Morgan to make what he felt was a valid conclusion.

The article states: The sheriff?s press release said, ?The results from the pathologist showed that the calf did sustain bruising, which occurs prior to death. In addition, the bruising is consistent with bite wounds."

Being ?consistent with bite wounds? and stating the bruises were actually caused by bites are two different things. Further, it does not state if the pathologist identified what animal may have done any biting.

The article further states: ?This report seems to contradict the conclusion of the ODFW report."

What is meant by ?seems to contradict?? Does that mean it does contradict, or that it might contradict the ODFW report? It would be nice to see the actual report from the pathologist and read precisely what it says. Perhaps a more specific conclusion could then be made.

And more; ?The Wallowa County sheriff?s office and Wildlife Services stand by their assessment that the calf belonging to Kirk Makin was killed by wolves.?

You state Morgan is not a wolf biologist. Ok. So, does the Sheriff?s Office have a wolf biologist on staff who made a valid assessment? If so, it would be interesting to see their credentials as well.

It's only a guess, but I highly doubt Morgan wanted to disagree with the others at the scene. He must have known of the repercussions in doing so. Like it or not, everybody is watching; Ranchers, hunters, animals rights groups, wolf lovers, county commissioners, his bosses, legislators, the Governor, USF&W, and so on. Morgan is under a microscope. Every move he makes will be reviewed and scrutinized to the fullest. There are no easy answers, and he is obviously not going to be able to make everyone happy. Morgan has to go with his best judgement, and not just follow popular opinion.

That said, something needs to be done to address the wolf issue. The sooner the better.
 
>and that pretty much sums up
>what we have been talking
>about for the last week
>here. it doesn't matter what
>they hear, they are set
>in what they are going
>to do. something isn't
>right about that

That might all change with what has happened in your area. I could be wrong but the only thing that I would imagine to change would be the options ODFW chooses after livestock kills that are within the Wolf Plan. I don't see any big changes happening in the wolf plan, but may see more pressure on ODFW to use options that would favor what ranchers over there want. The plan gives a step by step process on what ODFW will do after 1, 2, or multiple livestock predations. I would need to double check this but I think ODFW could have allowed the removal of some wolves from that pack after 2 confirmed livestock losses, but I think they waited to after they had 3(?). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about after 3 confirmed livestock losses. I know there was more livestock lost, but not confirmed wolf kills. I do however probably see a change in the wolf plan during the next 5 year review of the plan. More wolves and conflicts will put pressure on the Commission to possibly make some changes. It still may even happen during this review.

Remember Scoutdogs post on ifish and the FS roads. That is a great example of how one person from the public can make a change. It may have taken a long period of time and made sure Scoutdog had all his facts right. There are other examples all around for different state and federal agencies/departments. Look at why Oregon might go to blaze orange. That was because an uncle shot his nephew and now the family is contacting the Commission and everyone else to pass that regulation. That is one family against every hunting organization and individual hunter at the Commission meeting we just had. It will be interesting to see the outcome of that issue in Oct.
 
Wolves were gone for a long time before being reintroduced. I would assume that everyone that includes the feds or state employee's that are working on wolves are all new to it (at least since 1995). Russ may be a little newer with wolves (or confirmed wolves) not being in Oregon as early as ID, MT, and WY. He has and does work and keep in contact with other state and federal wolf biologists outside of Oregon. I know one of them is Carter Niemeyer that used to work all over the lower 48 states with wolves for the feds. Carter know works for ID, but has come over to Oregon and help out with our wolves a few times. Russ is finally getting a full time ODFW employee to help him this year. This should be a huge help in working with ranchers, locating and collaring wolves. I can't even imagine how many hours a week Russ has been working over the past few years on wolves and that includes weekends, late night phone calls and trips. He will even be out looking for wolf sign and doing work on his vacation days. That guy is probably one of the and if not the hardest working ODFW employee that I at least know. I'm sure you all are getting bored with my post and I will cut it off here. Looks like it will be a great weekend to be shooting the bow and putting miles on the boots while scouting. Got to get my Tcams out again and find that special blacktail and roosevelt for this year.
 
This whole situation is pretty sad. Oregon is fast becoming or has already become like California. Horrible management when it comes to predators. The entire problem is the anti-hunters. These senseless scum of the earth would rather wipe out all prey animals by way of natural predators than allow conservation. Believe me they don't give two sh*ts about wolves or wildlife they just don't want hunters killing them. If they really cared about wildlife they would recognize the conservation efforts that hunters make and would make dam sure we continue with our efforts. After all we are the ones paying for everything. We raise money for conservation projects not PETA, Sierra Club or any of these other anti-hunting organizations.

JR
 
It's good that Morgan is putting in a lot of time with keeping track of these wolves and keeping the public informed, but at the same time if Morgan, Riggs, the Sheriff, or many of these individuals are put on the stand to confirm a kill cause by wolves or anything else to do with wolves. Any lawyer will tear them apart!

Like I said, I applaud there hard work!!
 

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