Forms of government A must see.

[Yakatak]

Best example I have ever seen

Regards, Yak

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[bayside]

I really liked that video. Thanks for posting it! So true

 

[3blade]

great video, doesn't leave much doubt to where we're headed.

 

[piper]

A cute but very simple video, made for simpletons. why does the video leave out examples like Switzerland, a country that has had a very successful democracy since before the 13th century? How come America is now the greatest debtor nation on earth? how come so many citizens feel they have no say in their government, and the direction their lives are taking? Drug abuse, and crime are rampant in America, how come? Why do we have more people in prisons than any country on earth, regardless of population? Maybe our republic has failings, and the media and the modern world is bringing those to light? interesting.

 

[3blade]

good questions piper, you got some answers?

 

[hoytme]

>A cute but very simple video,
> made for simpletons.
>why does the video leave
>out examples like Switzerland, a
>country that has had a
>very successful democracy since before
>the 13th century?

Switzerland is smaller than most states. That is one reason. Also, to be clear, Switzerland has had to change how it governs many times in just the last century, let alone in the last 8 centuries.

>How come America is now the
>greatest debtor nation on earth?

Entitlement programs, coupled with massive military spending.

> how come so many
>citizens feel they have no
>say in their government, and
>the direction their lives are
>taking?

Because in reality we don't! We are a Republic in name only. IN reality we are somewhere between an Oligarchy and Democracy.

>Drug abuse, and crime are rampant in America,
>how come?

Many factors contribute, but being a "Republic' isn't one of them.

> Why do we have
>more people in prisons than
>any country on earth, regardless
>of population?

Most nations are smart enough to not incarcerate drug users.

>Maybe our republic has failings, and
>the media and the modern
>world is bringing those to
>light? interesting.

Back when we actually were governed as a Republic we were head and shoulders above ALL other nations. As we have tried to be more like European nations, we have slipped to being second class, soon to be third call, nation status.

http://www.politicalnecrosis.com

 

[bayside]

How come most citizens feel like they don't have a say? Is that really a question you want to ask? We don't have a say. "Representatives"(If you want to call them that) vote according to their interests and not according to their constituants desires. You've said so yourself Piper that when it came to the HCB that most people that didn't want it, just didn't know it was about, and it was voted correctly.

Yeah, the video may be simple, but sometimes it's the simple things that make you realize the more complex issues and see where we are really headed. This government is continuing to take more and more power, and employ more and more government.

Curious if you could answer question for me. What exactly has Obama done to truley benefit the country?

 

[3blade]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-27-10 AT 09:36AM (MST)[p]hoytme, nice post

"Yeah, the video may be simple, but sometimes it's the simple things that make you realize the more complex issues and see where we are really headed. This government is continuing to take more and more power, and employ more and more government".

And people are not happy about it.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...rnment_today_as_a_threat_to_individual_rights

I agree we're somewhere between a democracy and oligarchy right now. The present oligarchs don't listen to anything the people say or want. They have become a distinct class of elite rulers that think they know whats best for the common man.

They are practicing different aspects of fascism, gm & chrysler takeovers, healthcare takeover, now financial takeover, pay czars, soon to be energy takeover, not to mention all the regulations on business which are a form of control, etc. They have left most ownership other than gm in private hands yet have full control, thats fascism. Private ownership with government control.

On the other hand we have socialism going through the roof. 1 in 5 Americans is now on the dole in one form or another. The Tarp bailouts and others are bankrupting us and enslaving future generations. Course all debt/credit money systems do that and eventually collapse. Which of course will lead to anarchy, martial law and a dictatorship.

I do believe there may be a chance to turn this around that it might not be to late. It all starts with the 2010 and 2012 elections. If that doesn't come out right, we as a nation are finished.

 

[piper]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-27-10 AT 11:09AM (MST)[p]The Swiss government has been a democracy for much longer than this country has been a country, its changed over time ? of course it has, but its stays a democracy. I think the republic part has become much of the reason we feel there is no control over government. Somebody has to make the "rule of law", and our elected Reps do that, but the media and the modern world has perveted that system. Im afraid the constitution is becoming a modern day failure, unable to adapt to the new world. I listed to a speech by a candidate for governer the other day, He talks the typical rightwing tune, limited government, states rights ect, ect. then he says we are failing because the states are supposed to be the incubaters of new ideas, and solutions. so I ask him about health care, and how the Wyoming legislators just gave 200 million to the state employees health care fund ( because it was in trouble) and how only a couple states have ever even tried to solve this huge nationwide problem. Of course I only heard about tort reform as his reply. In my opinion Americas failures come from the bottom up, as well as the top down. Its our greed thats doing us in.

 

[FIREHAWK]

>A cute but very simple video,
> made for simpletons.
>why does the video leave
>out examples like Switzerland, a
>country that has had a
>very successful democracy since before
>the 13th century? How
>come America is now the
>greatest debtor nation on earth?
> how come so many
>citizens feel they have no
>say in their government, and
>the direction their lives are
>taking? Drug abuse, and
>crime are rampant in America,
>how come?
> Why do we have
>more people in prisons than
>any country on earth, regardless
>of population? Maybe
>our republic has failings, and
>the media and the modern
>world is bringing those to
>light? interesting.

Switzerland are you freakin' kidding me. The country that bankrolled the nazis killing millions of people and storing their gold teeth yanked out of their heads along with fine art stolen from numerous countries. Yea, they are doing fine being the middleman in every atrocity known to man in the last 100 years. Every eletist this video is talking about has a swiss bank account they are holding billions from being taxed or found out moneytrails of political bribes brokered to run our constitutional rights right into the ground. I'd bet that the money to support 9-11 terrorists runs right thru swiss bank accounts. Lay off the piper dude. Pretty much everything else on your list I can blame on weak people to lazy to work, continuing breeding because our government give aways like welfare to them for nothing. Low self esteem, menial existance, abusive parents, poor choices when young, single parents, llegal immigration, lack of a mandatory nationalized military service enlistment to either command or enhance a sense of honesty, integrity, purpose, friendship, commitment, history, teamwork, satisfaction, skills, self respect, etc. The rest is corrupt politicians being fed money from corporate entities to foreward their agenda including 2 wars.

 

[piper]

Ah, but that average income of 68 thousand a year the Swiss have, and actually we have most of the records as far as atrocitys go, we even pioneered genocide. Why do you think we have all those problems you pointed out in that long list of truths? it certainly can't be welfare,because many other countrys have much more of a nanny type state going on than the US. does, It must be something more.

 

[hoytme]

>actually
>we have most of the
>records as far as atrocitys
>go, we even pioneered
>genocide.

Please tell me this is a typo and that you didn't just say America has committed the most atrocities. Have you ever heard of the 50+ million people killed by starvation by the Soviet Union? have you heard of the 70+ million MURDERED by Mao? How about the millions killed by Pol Pot?

http://www.politicalnecrosis.com

 

[easymoney]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-29-10 AT 01:19PM (MST)[p]Interesting you mention Switzerland as an example. Have you ever been there? I have and they are the most well armed neutral nation on earth. They have hidden bunkers for jet fighters, missiles and all LEO are armed with automatic weapons. They are open minded yet very firm in their commitment to the rule of law and order.
They have a very restrictive government and very high taxes, they have limited health coverage yet it is based in common sense, meaning you don't go to an emergency room for a blister or hang nail...


Stop Global Whining

 

[piper]

lets see, we killed millions of native Americans, and that was genocide, we fire bombed Toyko, that was a first as far as killing and burning large numbers of civilians on purpose during a war, we were first in quite a few things, and we are still the only country to ever use an atomic bomb to kill people. I know, behind each of these things there was a reason, but there are reasons behind most everything.

 

[NMPaul]

>lets see, we killed millions of
>native Americans, and that was
>genocide, we fire bombed Toyko,
>that was a first as
>far as killing and burning
>large numbers of civilians on
>purpose during a war, we
>were first in quite a
>few things, and we are
>still the only country to
>ever use an atomic bomb
>to kill people. I
>know, behind each of these
>things there was a reason,
>but there are reasons behind
>most everything.


Well done. Spoken like a true Liberal USA hater.

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