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cmiddleton

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god made men
colt made men equal
hope oboma doesn't make
a civil war sequel
if he tries to take our guns
it will really be no fun
there will be fighting in the streets
men dieing on their feet
the second is a right
not to be infringed on in the night
the constitution will stand
or there will be fighting throughout the land
2/3 the nation are fools
liberals teaching in our schools
is this what the founding fathers planned
socialism taking over our land
our nation under god
being forgotten with a nod
men's god given rights
being forgotten is in sight
its time to take a stand
and let the bill of rights rule this land
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-18-08 AT 06:01AM (MST)[p]Without an economy we have nothing. There is a long list of screwed up things we need to deal with that are far more important than the 2A that currently is not even an issue. If Oby is dumb enough to make an issue out of it under this countries current condition then I'll have a talk with him. As of right now, we have more important things to worry about.
 
C, are you that fat crazy guy who's at evey gun show I've ever been to who never shuts up ? you know the one everybody walks as far away from as they can?
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-18-08 AT 11:25AM (MST)[p] So you're on of the few guys who talk with fat loud gun show guy, that is nice he needs a buddy. I miss the days when there were tables of pre 64 70's, nice custom walnut stocked rifles and a nice 1886 wasn't 3 grand, now it's fat gun show guy and his Rambo sidekick telling all the Bubba's to fill their pump house with AK's and ammo for the race war with the liberal generals in command. I'm not saying civil unrest will never happen but most of us can hold our own with the weapons we have, I feel sorry for people with such a negative attitude towards their fellow American and the fear they must live in every day. be it politcal or the black liberals I can and will hold my own and survive, I'm not worried at all. relax and enjoy life it's to short to stay locked in your bunker peeking out the boogy man hole.

I should be glad the Bubba Brigade is looking out for me I guess, you go get'em boys and I'll go hunting.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-18-08 AT 07:50PM (MST)[p] boy rum huntin dude is the most racily worried guy on the site ain't he.
he brings it up on every post.
what economy do you have in a socialist country.
did anyone ever tell him his guy is half white but full blown liberal. still he is american just one I'd label as a treasonist if he pushes legislation he already said he will push.
as i said before the presidents FIRST and PRIMARY job is to uphold the Constitution. his job is not to bail out, over tax, expand government and reject religion and guns.
his job is to be the commander not the surrender in chief.
none of this has anything to do with color.
they can call him Messiah if they want Jesus will ask them about that one on judgement day.
yep i'm fat at 6'2" and 186 lbs thats fat because i was 165 tell last feb when i quit smokin. hope you enjoyed the gun show your guy plans on taking them away too. i like that though nobody has told me they could hag me on a cloths line and i'd still be in the shade this year.
 
Where did I come up with the civil war? did you even read what you thought was great ? " there will be fighting across this land bla bla bla "

Where has Obama trashed the consitution, stole your guns or anything else ? he doesn't even take office for another couple months and you're crying before your're hurt. as far as bail outs and going socialist I'm not in favor of it myself but you are smart enough to know that was Bush's idea and both McSame and Obama supported it right? maybe not. if you're going to blame a president who's not in office look at what your current hero and the one you wished had replaced him were up to, get real.
 
are they not talking about their plans to reinstate the Clinton gun ban? after the fact IS TO LATE TO CHANGE IT!
are you totally dense do you have a clue how this system works you fight before the legislation is passed.
your guy to could be a good guy if we all fight to make our voices heard and he listens.
we do have to make our voices heard or we will loose our rights for ever.
if he doesn't listen then will be a call to arms.
uphold the consitution or else!!!
that doesn't mean install liberal judges to change it or to do a end around to infringe it.
yes i would support a second revolution if need be. i'd rather see it with votes and legislation but all cards are still on the table.
there are way to many feel good voters who don't have a clue what they are voting for.
 
You say you can't wait until Obama takes ofice to start crying? wouldn't it have been even more proactive to win the election and not have him as president? just asking , your strategy seems like it has a few flaws.
 
h-dude wrote:

>now it's fat gun
>show guy and his Rambo
>sidekick telling all the Bubba's

>I feel sorry for people
>with such a negative attitude
>towards their fellow American

Look in the mirror. Do you even think before you construct this drivel ?
 
And who started this thread whining about how everything is going to hell in a hen basket? not me, I think we have a lot of problems in this country but like we always do we'll fix them. if you don't agree move out or win an election for a change and have it your way.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-19-08 AT 07:43PM (MST)[p] what problem has the Dem's and libs ever fixed? yes they artificially inflated the economy and now that it collapsed you blame bush and the war.
it was loaning money to people who couldn't make the payment in turn selling more houses driving the housing market to insane highs the foolishly still buying.
keeping the american worker down and out because all their income went to the house payment.
which snowballed into what you see in our economy today.
housing defaults at a all time high, driving down the housing market tell everyone owes more for their house than its worth.
making the loans for those houses worthless killing the banks drying up money to loan for cars and business.
driving GM, Ford and dodge into the shape they are today.
fear of what will happen next making the stock market so volatile its crazy.
all of which was started and followed threw with by carter and Clinton. then when it started being obvious it was failing the Dem's blocked regulation to fix it.
yep your guys are so bright he keeps the man who bankrupted fanny may and Freddy mac as his own adviser.
fools and their money are soon parted.
then you turn around and blame bush who couldn't get anything threw your obstructionist congress.
yep i got a lot of faith in the dems fixing anything but i do have faith that they will screw it up then I'll be acting just like you with bush.
if my dog gets sick it will be obomas fault.
isn't he putting together his team right now? wouldn't now be the time to be heard? this government needs constent guidence we can only hope we have one that listens.
you really have no clue of government do you.
 
We have a winner!!!!

This with out precedence the most stupid thread I have ever read!

RUS
 
Decent poem with some truths.
Ok and Now Zigga I know you are for sure an idiot.
Lets all cry economy economy and hope the govt bails us out. Lets give up our only defense in staying Citizens instead of subjects. All of you on this band wagon agreeing over small arms bans etc are a bunch of retards and welfare scumbags. I pray our nation never falls under ownership of people like you lest there be a for sure war again in this country. I will tell you right now should it ever happen like Austrailia or great britain I will be one who stands against them and deadly I will be. So be careful your words as of now for they may be remembered in the future, I say May in hopes nothing like this ever happens here, but should it, wise is the man who chooses freedom over slavery and should he die at least it was not in vain. This is the one freedom that keeps us free, not speech not the press, not cruel and unusual puninshment but the freedom of bearing arms against those taht wish to do us and our nations foundation harm. Good luck you pukes.
Bugler
 
Just curious, but who here has had a gun taken away or knows of a law abiding citizen who has had one taken away ?
 
ask a Brit or Aussie they got started with a semi auto ban and lost much much more.
just making sure it doesn't happen here its our civic duty
 
>Decent poem with some truths.
> Ok and Now Zigga
>I know you are for
>sure an idiot.
>Lets all cry economy economy and
>hope the govt bails us
>out. Lets give up our
>only defense in staying Citizens
>instead of subjects. All of
>you on this band wagon
>agreeing over small arms bans
>etc are a bunch of
>retards and welfare scumbags. I
>pray our nation never falls
>under ownership of people like
>you lest there be a
>for sure war again in
>this country. I will tell
>you right now should it
>ever happen like Austrailia or
>great britain I will be
>one who stands against them
>and deadly I will be.
>So be careful your words
>as of now for they
>may be remembered in the
>future, I say May in
>hopes nothing like this ever
>happens here, but should it,
>wise is the man who
>chooses freedom over slavery and
>should he die at least
>it was not in vain.
>This is the one freedom
>that keeps us free, not
>speech not the press, not
>cruel and unusual puninshment but
>the freedom of bearing arms
>against those taht wish to
>do us and our nations
>foundation harm. Good luck you
>pukes.
>Bugler

Right On!!! Well said!!
 
Is this England who by the way still has lots of guns or Australia who by the way still has lots oguns or is this America? did their constitution have a 2nd amendment and if so how was it overcome?

As I said if the people want more restrictions on some types of weapons they're going to get it, Obama is not a dictator he's elected by people to do as they wish that's as American as apple pie. the 2nd amendment will insure us the right to keep and bear arms, maybe not street sweepers but most arms, if it doesn't then we're screwed anyway. you can only deny the will of the majority for so long, Obama is not your threat its the idiots who shoot up schools and use guns in a mannor that sways public opinion against us. that's the way a democracy works, some of you are stupid enough to think if you can find a way to keep the most popular candidate from being elcted your problems are over, if only it were that simple.

The 2nd is what we have, the politians will come and go, accept it.
 
So Dude, I guess it is OK with you for a total ban on handguns, like England, and banning all semi-autos, including .22s and shotguns, like Australia. What a moron. "deny the will of the majority", WTF? Its not the people that want gun control or we would have already voted it in. It is the politicians that think they know better than us. "elected by the people to do as they wish"?? What politician does anything the people want. 97% of Americans were against the big bailout and it still passed. I dont care what side of the aisle they are on, they couldnt give a crap what the people want, so quit trying to call it Democracy.
 
all right foolish hunter you are a complete idiot no wonder this nation is falling down the way it is.
what do you consider a street sweeper you all ready have to have a licence for full auto's you don't know sh"t
you don't know how to get legislation threw or stopped.
you don't know your candidate or the people who he surrounds himself with.
you are to uninformed to vote
 
Ok tweedle dee and tweedle dumber I didn't say I agreed with what the antis are wanting I said that majority rules and the fact is the majority are for more restrictions on some types of weapons. if you don't think majority rules is an important factor then why the hell did you allow Obama to win? why did you allow the dems to take the majority in congress? a light bulb coming on yet? maybe you can't have it your way? maybe?

Lets see if I can keep this simple since we're on a roll here, just like the fact your favorite politians didn't win maybe legislation you don't care for might pass as well, get it? it doesn't mean I want more gun control it means I know it's coming.

You losers can't win an election to save you so you whine at anyone who doesn't hate everyone you lost to, pretty juvenile. once again we come back to the second amendment, thats what its all about and that doesn't change no matter who's in power.
 
It isnt so much the man that was elected it is his ideology that scares me. He is only one of the arms of govt. BUUUUUT now I am thinking they are getting to be closer to one arm instead of three. It doesnt take a genius dude to think that things could swing in a dangerous direction.
I think it wise to look into the possibilities. Now the Constitution says the right to keep and bear arms does it not? What part of that do these people not understand. Well i think they understand it pretty good. It says nothing about the ammunition does it and i think that could be a loophole.
I think the folks up there think that we the people wont come together on an issue such as this using the divide and conquer method. and it sure feels like alot of us are divided as of right now.
And I must say that being in my profession for 17 years that without a doubt in my mind taht a ban on weapons militaristic etc will have no effect on crime. Never does. look at history what makes people think thay can change human nature? You can't.
Now you folks remember the north hollywood bank robbery, I do. Those weapons were already banned were they not. How'd those guys get em????????? I dunno they are criminals, so what we gonna do with them thar killers and robbers, slap em with a federal charge, i think it wouldnt and did not bother them in the least. What bothers Criminals? being dead! In most cases. Sometimes not they have nothing to lose. You think criminals cant get guns of all sorts. They can just like illegals cross our borders thats against the law too but it happens in droves. So does gun running and dope smuggling. Whats next if you give up any right to own a firearm ? The problem with our society is accountability and not paying for criminal actions the way one should. 75% of the WORLDS lawyers live here in the USA. Know what they did with them during the revolutionary war. They hung alot of them. and rightly so because they were traitors to the cause and would have allowed alot of patriots and their families to die! Which one are you? One of those that will bow to pressure and cower or do you not feel you have the right to dfend yourself and your children, property and wife??
All im saying is wake up and look around. the time for action may come but it is not now. We will have to give them enough rope. Geeze people sometimes I wonder..
Bugler
 
6/12/2008--Introduced.
Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 - Amends the federal criminal code to reinstate, for 10 years, the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act's assault weapons ban to prohibit the manufacture, transfer, or possession of a semiautomatic assault weapon or a large capacity ammunition feeding device. Specifies models and features of banned weapons.

Sets forth exceptions to such ban, including: (1) firearms or devices lawfully possessed under federal law on the date of enactment of this Act; (2) certain firearms, replicas, or duplicates listed in an appendix as they were manufactured on October 1, 1993; (3) any firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action and that has been rendered permanently inoperable or that is an antique firearm; (4) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; (5) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds in a fixed or detachable magazine; and (6) firearms manufactured for, transferred to, or possessed by a federal, state, or local government agency or for law enforcement.

Requires the serial number of any weapon or device manufactured after enactment of this Act to clearly show the date of manufacture.

Directs the Attorney General to study and report to Congress on the effects of this Act on violent and drug trafficking crime.
 
I agree with most of that, I see no chance that gun control will help at all.

My point is it is going to happen, when and to what degree I can't say. I see no need to panic and turn on other gun owners for refusing to not stop what nobody can stop. I happen to agree with Zumbo when he said what he regreted saying, still I'll stand with you and oppose any gun ban that is put forward. I'll also say if all black rifle owners were like tweedle dee and tweedle dumber here I'd say go to hell, the guns I like will be safe as long as I'm alive to care anyway.

Tougher gun restrictions are going to be a fact of life, I can't stop it and niether can any of you because too many want it. I'll fight it but I'm not going to let it ruin my life, if you want to be my guest.
 
Hdude, The more you write, the more I know you are a retarded idiot. First off, it is not a FACT that the majority of Americans want more gun control. Where did I say that the majority does not rule?? You just make crap up as you go. And as far as Legislation that I don't like being passed, I do get it, that is what we are all taking about happening now with the Libs controlling. You are the one that been saying it cant be passed because the 2nd Amendment wont let it happen. Now you contradict yourself again and say you know more gun control is coming. You are pretty egotistical thinking we are all whining to you, nobody is talking to you, get it? Why don't you go smoke another joint and walk out in front of a bus
 
What a tard, if you're not talking to me or anyoe else on this forum who are you talking to? please note who it is you're talking to next time.

I said the 2nd will protect our guns, I also said that more restrictions are going to be a fact of life, you can still have guns and restrictions at the same time, get it? check it out for yourself, the last Gallup poll in 2007 said that 51% of Americans favor more gun restrictions, and 36 said they should stay the same, that's a majority huh? WOW!!! and I'll bet today that number is more than 51% because the trend is always for more gun laws not less.

you're too stupid to have a debate with all you're looking for is like minded people to whine and snivel with so knock yourself out. I can't fix this but with enough whining and no idea how to turn the tide I'll bet you can.
 
I guess you don't understand who Hdude is, its called an abbreviation. Next time I waste my time I will spell your name fully so you know who I am talking to
 
You guy's have got it all wrong. It was Truman who was responsible for ruining our economy. He was a Democrat you know. Or maybe it was FDR who ruined it. It sure couldn't be the current president could it.

BeanMan
 
I'll see ya after the next depression your guy doesn't stand a chance in he!! of helping the economy he will make it worse.
I'll put my money in my gun safe instead of investing in his economy.
business men run the economy tax us and we will lay off and do just enough to stay under that tax bracket. I've got new equipment and trucks already i can keep them working for more than his term. piss off more businesses and they will do the same.
if we don't buy backhoes digger trucks dodge and Chevy trucks it puts more of a dent in the economy than his taxes help.
i can only bid government jobs or just enough to keep under the tax hikes. or in turn just add the tax to those jobs
bad thing is 30 union electricians will not be working but they are union they wanted this. my only complaint of the union is their blind support of Democrats.
we create jobs and benefits we sit across the table in negotiations and give raises and benefits. in a bad economy without enough profit we must down size and lower wages to the non union price to get work for your democrat workers.
dodge will take a hit too we bought 7 new trucks this year. how about john deer they would like to keep workers building equipment or Altec and telelect digger trucks, how about the guys who make the tractors under them of several brand names ditch witch trenchers could lose sales too. millions in electrical parts not sold lumber not sold concrete not sold.
i have the power to take many millions out of the economy and so do other businesses, tax us to hard and we pull back.
now that's called a unfriendly business environment.
in a friendly environment we buy retool get more work employ more people and grow the company everything we earn we reinvest. when things look bad we pull money out of the company.
are you starting to see why its bad to tax businesses.
you can only give tax breaks to people sitting on the unemployment line so much you can never make up for lost time at work.
that's where obama's economy will fail by taxing small businesses
personally I'd love to pay 250,000 in taxes because id have to have made that much to do it. but when taxes over ride profits workers become unemployed its a loss loss situation.
then we have covered the second amendment and the first.
only place I'm lost is on what change he plans to implement that helps america or the american worker.
less taxes cause investment, taxes curb it. I'm sorry if in your hunky dory world you have been sold a bill of goods saying you getting a tax break adds jobs.give one person a job and it takes 4 men's taxes to make that kind of impact on the economy.
so for every one layed off 4 have to work that much harder.
invest in growing the economy by less taxes.
we do as much as 11 million in contracts a year in good years and earn 1% profit, tax it more and we can't aford to do that much work and will downsize to keep under the tax.
as a bisnessman obomas plan makes no sense the thought that adding wealth is bad, our wealth is all in paper trucks equipment and tools. i pay myself 10 buck a hour less than the union scale. let see, go in debt 600,000 bucks cut your own wages 10 bucks and buy a company that at the time was almost 1 million in the hole. bisnessmen should be taxed more. crazy. but we have made it back and now are in the black for the first time in years. it wasn't taxes it was self sacrafice and nerves of steal that brought it back. we saved peoples jobs gave more oppertunities to union workers.
if the government had their way we should have closed the doors and payed 47% of the selling off equipment to them.
when i bought it the government got 278,000 out of 600,000
how could you raise the taxes any higher? if a stranger off the street would have bought it they could have payed a buck a share but seeing how my dad started it i had to pay full stock price then the government took half.
i went 5 yrs wondering if i'd get a paycheck all my help always got payed even when we had to borrow to do it. i know all about how taxes effect our bottom line and how to ride the roller coaster of the ecomomy
obomas plan will not help us or our workers.
 
I didn't really understand what Obama meant about people that cling to their guns and bibles...until now. Was that some sort of an initiation oath? I want to join the HEMANOBAMAHATERS Club just tell me which church I need to go to sign-up at. Do I also get a discount membership at the ENDOFDAYS club if I join now?

Now I have never liked George, but I at least waited till he proved he was an idiot before I stated it publicly (it didn't take long). Obama has not even taken office as of yet. I cannot wait to start criticizing Obama and his administration but that will not start until January 20th 2009.
 
Ding-ding-ding gentlemen we have a Winner! cmiddleton please take your dilusional giant fabled block-o-rant and at least throw a paragraph or 2 into the mix for the literate folks here.

Man RELH would be proud of this masterpiece...RELH?

cmiddleton why are you lying? Perhaps there is a point to this completely fractured fairytale. I find it fascinating that you didn't understand what happens when you liquidate stock to purchase an asset. Apparently you did not recieve a full college education, I'm guessing a quarter at most from the local J.C. that's by your step-dad's apartment based on your repeated poor grammer skills and verbage.

I actually ran a company for 25 years so please spare me the absolute b.s. that you have tried to pass as non-fiction. Why would you feel so insecure as to make this stuff up? You are neither a bisnessman or a businessman. But somehow you know a little about stock, where did you get yours, gifted by daddy?

So let me get this right, you and obviously somebody else a sibling perhaps had stock in daddy's company. But you were not officers in the corporation. Daddy is gone and you cashed in either gifted stock or unworked-for amounts of stock and you complaining about it.

Now you want to cry about Obama who has yet to take office for a poor decision you made 5 years ago that entailed going into $600K into debt for a business that has 1 million dollars in liabilities. Not that it matters anyways because you are lying.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-21-08 AT 06:03AM (MST)[p] it would have been gifted but the taxes would have broke the company i had to buy it at full stock price. if is was a stranger it could have been sold at under stock price government rules.
then they taxed dads selling price at 47%.
i have worked at this company for 32 yrs.
complete truth.
we went from doing 11 mil in contracts to 4 mil in a year and have worked back to close to 7 mil last year.
we started in 1974. my dad worked every weekend and never took a hour of overtime. he deserved that money to retire with. the government didn't deserve that big of slice of the pie.
if he would have gifted it to me the company would have to pay the tax and thanks to some jobs gone bad the company couldn't have survived.
a construction company is like rolling dice sometimes you win sometimes you lose. when competition is tight the gamble is at its highest to lose. you have to take the risk to keep your men working and sometimes you shoot just to break even.
then any unforeseen problem causes a loss. unemployment is on the rise and it will get worse before it gets better.
i plan on expanding back to our our old size but it will take a friendly business environment.
when carter was pres we as electricians started building metal buildings, and snow fence and every kind of work we could just to keep our men working. competition was so tight you couldn't buy a job. nobody was working.
just in the last year we have seen a lot of out of state contractors bidding jobs here and taking them at what we know will be a loss. they do not have work at home.
i don't know what company you work for but at mine i have secretaries do the typing, i do the numbers and the work.
 
All right middleton I will bite. First you did not go into debt when you purchased the company. You received good will in the form of ownership and value of the company and it's assets.

From where I am standing it sounds like you got the deal of the century. Since the rule of the thumb on business value is 3 times gross or 1 times net, plus goodwill you made out like a bandit. But pops paid the price for selling low and cashing out...such is life.

It's true that during the Bush admin. 5 years ago your father decided to cash-out and like any profitable stock transaction had to pay capital gains on the profit. Perhaps a more creative strategy over time could have lessened the tax implications. I digress

Middleton if you are as old as you claim to be then perhaps you might remember a time during the 80's ITC was only 10K...whoopee! I haven't checked this year since I am retired, but I think it's somewhere around 70-80K.

You have worked very hard over the last 5 years with great determination and sacrifice. You have been rewarded by improving your balance sheet and placing the company in a stronger financial position. In return your 600K investment has increased in value a minimum of 500%.

You have recently purchased a fleet of Trucks and other assests before the credit freeze. This translates into lower vehicle repair costs for the next 3 years and 5 years of tax depreciation while pumping up the companies and your personal net worth. In the meantime you have competitors that did not re-invest and now cannot make those investments. All while piling up huge maintenance bills with an aging fleet of trucks that only pull down net worth and cash flow. So basically you are sitting pretty.

I don't understand why you are over-whelmed with anger filled doubt about Obama before he has even taken office. Yet you are not angry for the piss-poor job that the current administration is responsible for.

The fact is that if you are concerned for business owners and employees you should be overjoyed that Obama has been elected and here is why..

Workers Comp is a complete drain on all companies due to it's inherent flaws of fraud. Fraud usually driven by a lack of medical coverage provided by the employer or simply lazy employees working the system. Before W.C. can truly be reformed there must be some type of universal healthcare system.

A universal healthcare system would be a great benefit due to lowered premium costs across the board. A double whammy so-to-speak, lowered insurance premiums and reformed comp.

There will be a flood of incentives coming down the pipe for small businesses like yours 100 employees or less. Increased ITC, hiring tax-credits, and perhaps decreased fed payroll tax contributions.

In the meantime if a stimulus and tax plan is passed your employees will have more disposable income to access.

You mentioned you have borrowed money in the past to cover your payroll. If your company really does millions in sales one would expect you have a revolving credit line...this is s.o.p. of how business works to cover cash-flow. Anybody with a non-cash business has been there more than once.

Recently credit lines have been capped, reduced, or deemed unavailable. Obama voted for the bailout to keep your credit line in tact even if it is reduced. It's not perfect but it's better than no credit line at all when your biggest egg decides to hold out for 120 days.

If the Detroit bailout occurs it will keep parts available for your new fleet of trucks. Which we all know will be thrashed in 4 years since we all know how company trucks are treated. I don't know if Obama has voiced an opinion on the bailout, but if it keeps millions employed I would think he will back it. Which means Dodge will still be able to carry a full line of replacement parts with plenty of accessable dealerships.

Now the value of your dollar and your employees have shrunk dramatically over the last 8 years while wages on the average have consistantly fallen. Certainly an admittance that the current administration has done a very poor job of expanding the economy is in order. By Jan 20th, there will be massive job loss since the Bush Administration took office.

If Obama can actually gather consensus for swift action he might be able to reduce the flow of 10 billion a month for Iraq which will immediately strengthen the dollar.

If Obama can turn the economy around in the next 24 months, and when I say turn the economy around I mean stabilize it. There will be a flood investment from foreign markets, bargain rates on equities, a stronger dollar, and huge potential for historic growth.

So let me appeal to the calm and rational side of cmiddleton by stating.....chill let's just see how he does. Think about it, all those right-wing hate filled pundits have been the cheerleaders and defenders of one of the worst administrations of our times.

The fact is our current administration's economic policies have not helped you, your children, your employees, your employees children, or your father over the last 8 years.

You took over a struggling company and it took you 5 years to turn it around. Who better to empathize with the job ahead for Obama than you cmiddleton? Just take a look at what this guy has ahead of him come 1-21-2009.

As I mentioned I never liked George, but I've told my kids repeatedly and it's true to this day...I would take a bullet for him in a second out of respect of the office.

What do you say cmiddleton, let us dispense with the post-election division and partisan dogma? With a crew of 30 I'm sure there were some guys doubting whether the Boss' kid would be able to good job running the company. Give'em a chance to prove the doubter wrong just like you were able to.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-21-08 AT 08:45PM (MST)[p] i just came from the year end board meeting and this has been a great year.
we decided to buy the building we are in even though real estate hasn't came down here in Wyoming. we were hoping it would come down first but we need the equity for more bonding power.
we keep a 400,000 loc at the bank but when dire straights hit we started another 100,000 that is now payed back and haven't had to use it again.
we have 260,000 of material out on a job on the 400,000 one
its a no worry t&m job at Rio tinto coal mine. sorry i still don't know if that's spelled right.
Wyoming normally does good when the rest the nation hurts.
Obama threatened the coal mines with bankruptcy that would devastate Wyoming and hurt us too.
we are diversified enough and do highway work,industrial,and commercial.
coal mines are a big part of our recovery. we wire lots of schools but competition is tight. highway jobs will be there because he will sign the highway bill. our only worry about him is coal. Wyoming has enough low sulfur coal to run the country for 250 yrs just in the thunder basin coal fields.
one thing Dem's do well is spend money I'd hope they would invest in coal liquidification and clean coal.
I'd like to see us start bidding some of the wind generators going up all over Wyoming those would be fun jobs to do.
if they chase solar,wind clean coal it will be a boom in Wyoming still but knock down coal and we will be in trouble.
not Energy but the state.
no matter what happens with money i still think the constitution and bill of rights should be respected and that's where we have to work on Obama and crew.
I'm a hunter gun packin redneck first.{rednecks really are union coal miners before they were just wild eyed country boys]
even though I'm now a owner i still stand with my workers yes they need tax breaks but taxing the money to give them better equipment and tools isn't the answer Obama thinks it is. everyone just pays it in a untraceable way with higher prices.
this quarters up and we have to send the IRS another 40,000 check.
yes we did pay 600,000 for the company. in order to do so i took on partners.
we did give our office staff and shop help a raise at this meeting and gave our self a 3 dollar raise to the union commercial scale almost 30 pr hour. but i do highway work and the scale there is 38 pr hour.
also talked about more new trucks and looking for something for a tax deduction. the building and trucks have to talk to the tax guys to see what we can do.
then had a foremen meeting for Workman's comps drug recognition requirements.
yes we did get a deal on the buyout but there were allot of debts were where not informed about a long term loan.
we jumped in blindly took the bull by the horn and actually pulled it off. "this year" who knows what will happen next year.
dad was 70 yrs old when he sold. he could have gifted it a little at a time over many years to get around the IRS.
i'm in a better mood today been worrying over the end of the year books last couple weeks.
 

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