That's pretty true, elk hunting is hit and miss and the deer hunting flat sucks. a large chunk of private land that used to be open to the public is closed as of last year pushing more hunters onto what public land is left. I don't hunt Grizzly anymore but the local elk hunters say numbers are way down in the unit.
If you're after elk Ochoco, Murderers creek, Silvies or Northside are a better bet. if you're after deer I don't know what to tell you, I live in the Grizzly unit and I'm not even sure where I'm putting in, Oregon deer hunting is beyond pathetic anymore.