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"I got involved in wound ballistics and what it really took to stop a threat during residency in Philadelphia because I had a friend on the police force who lost his job for use of excessive force by shooting somebody, I think it was, 18 times, and I always thought, maybe he needed to shoot that...
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In the 90s, I was in a position within the Navy to recommend which types of gear USN pilots would use. Helmet mounted cuing systems, improvements in G-suits, etc. This also included weapons they were allowed to carry. So, USN sent me off to listen to Dr. Fackler speak. Interesting guy and very personable. And insistent on two things; shot placement and permanent wound cavity, with max penetration.
It is possible for a projectile to create a temporary wound cavity such that the tissue disrupted sorta folds back into place. This is likely part of the reason why some folks can be shot multiple times and still do damage. A permanent wound cavity destroys tissue. Hitting the right nerve or nerve bundle stops things from happening.
Some of you may remember the Miami shootout of 1986. The following is from a Wiki report of that shootout.
"Platt took up position by the passenger side front fender of the Cutlass. He fired a .357 Magnum revolver at agents Ronald Risner and Gilbert Orrantia, and was shot a fourth time when turning to fire at Hanlon, Dove, and Grogan. The bullet, fired by Orrantia's revolver, penetrated Platt's right forearm, fractured the
radius bone and exited the forearm. This wound caused Platt to drop his revolver.
[14] It is estimated that Platt was shot a fifth time shortly afterwards, this time by Risner. The bullet penetrated Platt's right upper arm, exited below the armpit and entered his torso, stopping below his shoulder blade. The wound was not serious.
[15]
Platt fired one round from his
Ruger Mini-14 at Risner’s and Orrantia's position, wounding Orrantia with shrapnel created by the bullet's passage, and two rounds at McNeill. One round hit McNeill in the neck, causing him to collapse and leaving him paralyzed for several hours. Platt then apparently positioned the Mini-14 against his shoulder using his uninjured left hand.
[16]
Hanlon fired at Platt and was shot in the hand while reloading. Grogan and Dove were kneeling alongside the driver’s side of their car. Both were preoccupied with getting Dove's weapon working and did not detect that Platt was aggressively advancing upon them. Platt rounded the rear of their car and killed Grogan with a shot to the chest, shot Hanlon in the groin area, and then killed Dove with two shots to the head. Platt then entered the Grogan/Dove car in an apparent attempt to flee the scene.
[17] As Platt entered Grogan and Dove's car, Mireles, able to use only one arm, fired the first of five rounds from his
pump-action shotgun, wounding Platt in both feet.
[8] At an unknown time, Matix had regained consciousness and he joined Platt in the car, entering via the passenger door. Mireles fired four more rounds at Platt and Matix, but hit neither.
[18]
Around this time,
Metro-Dade police officers Rick Frye, Leonard Figueroa and Martin Heckman arrived. Heckman covered McNeill's paralyzed body with his own.
[19] Frye assisted Hanlon.
[20]
Platt's actions at this moment in the fight have been debated. A civilian witness described Platt leaving the car, walking almost 20 feet and firing at Mireles three times at close range. Mireles does not remember this happening. Officer Heckman does not remember Platt leaving the Grogan/Dove car. Risner and Orrantia, observing from the other side of the street, stated that they did not see Platt leave the car and fire at Mireles.
[21] However, it is known for certain that Platt pulled Matix's
Dan Wesson revolver at some point and fired three rounds.
[16][22]
Platt attempted to start the Grogan/Dove car. Mireles drew his .357 Magnum revolver, moved parallel to the street and then directly toward Platt and Matix. Mireles fired six rounds at the suspects. The first round missed, hitting the back of the front seat. The second hit the driver's side window post and fragmented, with one small piece hitting Platt in the scalp. The third hit Matix in the face, and fragmented in two, with neither piece causing a serious wound. The fourth hit Matix in the face next to his right eye socket, traveled downward through the
facial bones into the neck, where it entered the spinal column and severed the
spinal cord. The fifth hit Matix in the face, penetrated the jaw bone and neck and came to rest by the spinal column.
[23] Mireles reached the driver's side door, extended his revolver through the window, and fired his sixth shot at Platt. The bullet penetrated Platt's chest and bruised the spinal cord, ending the gunfight.
[24]
The shootout involved 10 people; two suspects and eight FBI agents. Of the 10, only one, Special Agent Manauzzi, did not fire any shots (his firearm was thrown from the car in the initial collision), while only one, Special Agent Risner, was able to emerge from the battle without a wound. The incident lasted under five minutes yet approximately 145 shots were exchanged.
[8][25]
Toxicology tests showed that the abilities of Platt and Matix to fight through multiple traumatic gunshot wounds and continue to battle and attempt to escape were not achieved through any chemical means. Both of their bodies were drug-free at the time of their deaths.
[26]"
If I recall Dr. Facklers comments correctly, he said that both Matix and Platt had what many consider to be (eventurally) unsurvivable wounds, but only got taken out of the fight with a neural hit.
Post note: in the end, USN didn't officially recommend any weapon, but most of us on the panel suggested use of a .22 or .22magnum semi auto. The gun would not be useful against a squad of enemy soldiers and was most likely going to be used to quiet the farmer's dog or be a game getter. I and one other guy suggested use of a suppressor, but got little in the way of support.
