HealthCare issue

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I thought some might like this article from th Globe. It might bring a greater understanding to the issue.

Boston Globe -

July 6: Washington - For the secretaries and environmental engineers, game wardens and van drivers who work for the state of New Hampshire, surgery is free, even at Boston's top teaching hospitals if it's necessary. So are MRIs, CT scans, and X-rays.

Pregnant women pay nothing for prenatal care; alcoholics aren't billed for short stints in rehab. Seeing a therapist costs just $10, as many as 20 visits a year, and prescription drugs top out at $30 for a three-month mail-order supply. New Hampshire state employees get $450 annually toward gym memberships, if they go regularly, or $200 toward their own treadmill and there's a $150 annual reimbursement for yoga classes, diabetes clinics, and nutritional counseling

They have what some call "gold-plated" or "Cadillac" health insurance. For just $60 a month, state workers' families get coverage worth $20,400 a year, about 62 percent more than the plan the average American family gets through work. And because the federal government excludes health benefits from taxation, they pay no income taxes on any of it, But that may be about to change.

Desperate to find ways to pay for a healthcare overhaul that could cost more than $1 trillion over the next decade, Congress has begun to look longingly at limiting the tax exclusion on employer-sponsored health benefits, which cost the federal government an estimated $225 billion in foregone tax revenue in 2008.

Ending the tax break entirely is out of the question politically, but next week the Senate Finance Committee is likely to propose limiting it in some fashion - by requiring people with the most expensive insurance, or the highest incomes, or both, to pay some taxes on their health benefits.

President Obama, who is urging Congress to send him a bill this year, dislikes the idea but has not ruled it out. Opponents of the tax exclusion want to get rid of it because they say it is grossly unfair it gives the biggest tax break to those with the highest salaries and the best benefits, while the millions of Americans who don't get insurance through their employer get little or no help at all.

"It provides enormous tax breaks to those who need them least, and little or nothing for millions of working families who really need help," said Robert E. Moffit, director of the conservative Heritage Foundation's Center for Health Policy. "If you are going to give a tax break, you should give it to taxpayers evenly."

But Diana Lacey, the chair of collective bargaining for the New Hampshire state employees' union, says it's wrong to call their plan "Cadillac" coverage, or to encourage employers to offer workers skimpy coverage. A health overhaul, she said, should "bring people up to the standard we have healthcare that is responsible and affordable and you don't have to go bankrupt to get the treatment you need."

Defending the status quo is an unlikely set of allies executives of major corporations, who like being able to use tax-free health benefits to attract and retain employees; labor union leaders, who argue their members have sacrificed higher wages over the years to gain and retain good coverage; and some liberals who believe all Americans should have a generous health plan.

The Laborers' International Union of North America, which represents some 508,000 construction workers and government employees whose family plans can be worth $18,000 or more in the most expensive healthcare markets, has already begun running ads targeting senators who want to limit the tax exclusion.

"If they think they're protesting in Iran, if they pass a healthcare bill that's going to tax my members' benefits, they ain't seen nothing yet," said Terry O'Sullivan, the union's president.

The Laborers' International and other unions argue that tax policy should support workers who put a high value on good health benefits, so they don't face bankruptcy or need public assistance when they get sick. The New Hampshire state employees' union estimates that its members earn 20 percent less than other public sector workers in the state after repeatedly giving up raises in contract negotiations to keep their the generous benefits.

It was an arrangement that for years also suited the thrifty state of New Hampshire it could offer its workers a valuable benefit at a discount. "It was cheaper for them to do that than to pay us more money," Lacey said. She said the union, now involved in protracted negotiations with the state, would probably renegotiate its contract if the tax exclusion were limited.
 
As I said in another post, Obama's courting of the labor unions for votes will only last so long until it turns and bites him and his liberal allies on the butt.
This robbing of Peter, the common working stiff, and paying Paul, you all know who that is, will turn the voters sour on many of Obama's plans.
Piper will never understand that a lot of those health care benifits came at a cost of money in the pocket for those workers that looked ahead. They chose to get better health care in leu of a payraise.
If Obama and his fellow liberals keep it up, they will end up only having the support of the welfare receivers that live in the projects, and of course our die hard bent wrist liberals who try to live in a fanasty world.

RELH
 
In other words Piper will no doubt support him!


Piper, how's your period?

Zigga, it's past your bedtime!

Hdude, Jose needs a yob!
 
RELH - thats a commen tune, all government employees say they have golden benefits and job security, only because they don't make as much money, most figures tell a different story. This is America, so who cares what the truth is and who subsidizes who, right? I mean its just money and health care.
 
Piper;

The real truth of the matter is that I did not mind forgoing higher payraises in order to get better health benifits for my family, but I will be damned if I have to pay for your lazy butt, and others like you, so you could have cheaper insurance.
I am now paying over 800 bucks per month out of my pocket for health coverage, and my gripe is that part of it is going to benifit lazy idiots that you seem to feel we need to support when they failed to support themselfs.
Do not give me that crap that I came from a privileged family. I came from a very poor family when it came to money, but my Father taught me that though hard work and planning, and getting a education that I could advance myself in this world.
I ofter wonder what your Father taught you, was it to suck others dry so that you could keep up with the Jones family and not have to really work for it.

P.S. My Father was a disable war vet, and hated socialists like you. I guess you can say some of that rub off on me.



RELH
 
RELH- Some of that stuff you wrote makes me wonder what you think about, My father was a workaholic, then later somewhat of an alcoholic, he called government workers leeches sometimes when he was mad, don't know if he really meant much by that though, we had a home when I was 3 yrs old to 8 then it was rentals and trailers until I was 16 and on mostly on my own, actually I work pretty hard, but I admit to enjoying the mountains and hunting and fishing, I have a nice 2 story home on 2 acres in a beautiful mountain town, so I have done OK. Will be 52 yrs old on sunday and trying to decide on a peak to climb for my birthday, its kind of a tradition with me, my chest is still at around 10 inches bigger than my waist, so that should tell you Im not too overly lazy anyway, better than most my age it seems. I dont care about free handouts, but I hate getting ripped off, and thats what health care in America is, thats the problem I have with it, its not an honest system. As far as socialism goes, I like my public land and all the freedom that entails, and I think an organized country should make sure people are provided with decent access to basic human needs, like safety and health care and food, things like that, if thats bad, then call me a commie jew, whatever, but your comments about me wanting to suck people dry so I don't have to work are a bit out of line.
 
If you think it is out of line, then maybe you should quit advertising your views that are very socialistic in nature pertaining to the distribution of wealth and production under the guise of health care for the down trodden.
Piper, if you walk like a duck, quack like a duck, and look like a duck, most people are going to think you are in fact a duck!!!!

RELH
 
RELH- Our country has some measure of socialism, and always has, its not an evil word except to simpletons like yourself, you spout words like liberals and socialists, and then expect a bunch of the other half brained talk show fans to become excited, sorry. I have never gotten one penny from the government, worked for all of it, still working and don't expect the taxpayers to front my retirement, or health care, I can visually see many of my accomplisments. I don't think you know what a duck looks like, I just say it as it is, we are being ripped off,other countrys make us look like greedy sickos. Capitalism, socialism, whatever, it is what it is.
 
Piper;

My last words on this subject. If you really feel that other countries make us look like greedy sickos, you should pack your bags and move to one of those countries where your socialism will be greeted with open arms.

RELH
 
I vote RELH for President!



"Here's something for you doom and gloomer, coolaid drinkers that might help you from offing yourselves; you could have had Hillary."
Tfinalshot March 24, 2009
 

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