Hobby Lobby Lawsuit

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eldorado

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Hobby Lobby is a chain of craft stores that is seeking legal recognition of their right to freedom of religion.
If successful, it would open other lawsuits by other corporations that could potentially lead to millions of Americans being discriminated.

This is nothing more than a gambit by social/religious conservatives to circumvent anti-discrimination laws.

http://news.yahoo.com/religious-freedom-goes-too-far-040000566--politics.html
 
This could go either way, since the SC has ruled corporations are people they do have rights. now we see if they have the right to discriminate.

If it's ruled the CEO does have the right to discriminate based upon his religion where does it stop? can a jewish CEO fire a christian worker for bringing a ham sandwich for lunch? why not it violates his religeous beliefs.













Stay thirsty my friends
 
did you ever think perhaps they don't want to contribute to abortions thru things like the day after pill and such...

its kinda like a Christian owning a liquor store contributing to alcoholic's demise...

but most libs conscience is seared anyways so I didn't really expect you two to see that...
 
Manny, the intent of the lawsuit is to legalize discrimination.

Read the article carefully and understand its broad implications.

Eldorado
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-14 AT 09:44AM (MST)[p]
Interesting case. Hobby Lobby is privately held and not a public corporation.

Doesn't mean it is exempt from the laws.

Interesting that the premise of the article is that health insurance is a right. I wonder if that means that the court will really be deciding on what is a right and not a privilege? Can employees use this decision to force other employers to provide health insurance due to it being a right?

What if Hobby Lobby decides to just drop their plan, is that then an infringement on the right to have health insurance?

Pretty slippery slope on both sides.

Nemont
 
>Manny, the intent of the lawsuit
>is to legalize discrimination.
>
>Read the article carefully and understand
>its broad implications.
>
>Eldorado


Kind of like affirmative action is not legalized discrimination

T264
 
The intent of Affirmative Action was to corrected years of discrimination against women and minorities.
The intent of the Hobby Lobby lawsuit is to discriminate based on religious beliefs. Hardly comparable.

Eldorado
 
On the other hand, if you're honest about it, to say that every health insurance policy must include the morning after pill, is nothing more than an attempt to demean religion.
 
>The intent of Affirmative Action was
>to corrected years of discrimination
>against women and minorities.
>The intent of the Hobby Lobby
>lawsuit is to discriminate based
>on religious beliefs. Hardly comparable.
>
>
>Eldorado


Sooo, the answer or cure for discrimination is to just discriminate against another gender or class/race??
 
BC pills are dirt cheap so that is not a real issue. It is all about a bunch of frustrated old dykes stirring the pot to create a cause.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-14 AT 02:13PM (MST)[p]Eldorado, Affirmative Action is one subject you would be best to leave along. The discrimination under that law is far worse then it was before enactment of Affirmative action.
My son was a straight "A" student in high school taking college prep courses. Do you think he was able to get a college scholarship that was worth a hill of beans. No way, the good scholarships that payed higher dollars went to minorities that were under achievers to him and other white kids.

Quite a few of those minorities pissed away their scholarships and did not graduate from college. My son's counsler even told him that he was being discriminated against because he was the wrong race.

Well he and his wife did not piss away their college education. They obtained their B.A. and M.A. degrees and are still paying off $ 80,000.00 in student loans and now have that loan below 30 thousand.

Affirmative action is nothing now but a welfare check to under achievers that most of them do not even appreciate it to apply themselfs and put the scholarship to good use by obtaining that higher degree from college.

Eldorado before you try your liberal slant and poo poo what I said above. There was a survey taken at U.C. Berkley that showed that only 45% of minorities admitted under Affirmative Action made it to graduation. The majority dropped out. At the same time 73% of the Anglos graduated.

RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-14 AT 02:15PM (MST)[p]>LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-14
>AT 02:13?PM (MST)
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>Eldorado, Affirmative Action is one subject
>you would be best to
>leave along. The discrimination under
>that law is far worse
>then it was before enactment
>of Affirmative action.
> My son was
>a straight "A" student in
>high school taking college prep
>courses. Do you think he
>was able to get a
>college scholarship that was worth
>a hill of beans. No
>way, the good scholarships that
>payed higher dollars went to
>minorities that were under achievers
>to him and other white
>kids.
>
> Quite a few
>of those minorities pissed away
>their scholarships and did not
>graduate from college. My son's
>counsler even told him that
>he was being discriminated against
>because he was the wrong
>race.
>
> Well he and
>his wife did not piss
>away their college education. They
>obtained their B.A. and M.A.
>degrees and are still paying
>off $ 80,000.00 in student
>loans and now have that
>loan below 30 thousand.
>
> Affirmative action is
>nothing now but a welfare
>check to under achievers that
>most of them do not
>even appreciate it to apply
>themselfs and put the scholarship
>to good use by obtaining
>that higher degree from college.
>
>
>Eldorado before you try your liberal
>slant and poo poo what
>I said above. There was
>a survey taken at U.C.
>Berkley that showed that only
>45% of minorities admitted under
>Affirmative Action made it to
>graduation. The majority dropped out.
>At the same time 73%
>of the Anglos graduated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RELH

Those are some rather inconvenient details for a few on here.
T264
 
The left never really solves any problems. They just whine and con the people into believing they CARE so the low information voter will vote for them. The sickening part is that it works.
 
Yes you are right to a point. As history has shown in past elections, the pendlum will swing the other way after 8 years of Obama and left wing liberalism that voters are tired of because it did not work.

RELH
 
How well did 8 years of Bush work?

This is why the dems will profit from the republicans taking both houses in November if they should, by 2016 the republicans will have proven they are clueless again. you can't get by just saying no if you're in control.

Republicans have ingnored women for years, issues like this will prove costly. if you don't want to listen to them you should have never let them vote. too late now.
















Stay thirsty my friends
 
The Bush economy was great and Obama just keeps on lying and keeping the middle class shrinking. I will bet with full control of congress and the White House the republicans would make the average working person very happy. Face it dork, your people have no clue about fixing the economy and growing jobs.
 
>How well did 8 years of
>Bush work?
>
>This is why the dems will
>profit from the republicans taking
>both houses in November if
>they should, by 2016 the
>republicans will have proven they
>are clueless again. you
>can't get by just saying
>no if you're in control.
>
>
>Republicans have ingnored women for years,
>issues like this will prove
>costly. if you don't want
>to listen to them you
>should have never let them
>vote. too late now.
>
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>Stay thirsty my friends


You can't get by with only telling lies and running up new record debt, and forcing people into a terrible health care plan either. So in your muddled opinion the republicans would do well to not even try to win both the house and senate... you know jedi mind trick the libs by losing. gmafb

Also- explain to me how the repubs have ignored women for years????? Typical lib bullshiznic talking points.
 
The Bush economy was great for those who plundered the nation's wealth.

It wasn't so great for the millions who lost from that plunder.

Eldorado
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-14 AT 02:00PM (MST)[p]>>How well did 8 years of
>>Bush work?
>>
>>This is why the dems will
>>profit from the republicans taking
>>both houses in November if
>>they should, by 2016 the
>>republicans will have proven they
>>are clueless again. you
>>can't get by just saying
>>no if you're in control.
>>
>>
>>Republicans have ingnored women for years,
>>issues like this will prove
>>costly. if you don't want
>>to listen to them you
>>should have never let them
>>vote. too late now.
>>
>>
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>>Stay thirsty my friends
>
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>You can't get by with only
>telling lies and running up
>new record debt, and forcing
>people into a terrible health
>care plan either. So in
>your muddled opinion the republicans
>would do well to not
>even try to win both
>the house and senate... you
>know jedi mind trick the
>libs by losing. gmafb
>
>Also- explain to me how the
>repubs have ignored women for
>years????? Typical lib bullshiznic talking
>
 
>This could go either way, since
>the SC has ruled corporations
>are people they do have
>rights. now we see if
>they have the right to
>discriminate.
>
>If it's ruled the CEO does
>have the right to discriminate
>based upon his religion where
>does it stop?
>can a jewish CEO fire
>a christian worker for bringing
>a ham sandwich for lunch?
>why not it violates his
>religeous beliefs.
>
>
>
>Stay thirsty my friends

How would this violate his religious beliefs? He's not the one eating the ham sandwich. Making him pay for the ham sandwich maybe.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-26-14 AT 08:35AM (MST)[p]The Bush economy was great? what are you smoking in AZ ? I guess you forgot how it ended. must be the crack talking.

I misspoke, the republicans haven't ignored women, they've worked to reduce their rights. thanks for correcting me.

What right do a bunch of fat men have to decide what a woman can do with her reproductive system? do you find it funny that Viagra is covered by insurance but birth control shouldn't be? then if all goes well and we get an unwanted pregnancy the " sluts " as conservative talk show hosts call them have to carry them full term and raise the kid with no health care and less public assistance if republicans get their way.

I would say you're hypocrites but thats not really true, your actually morons.

If you don't lose in the supreme court you're going to lose at the polls on this issue. it's all good.















Stay thirsty my friends
 
I could care less iof she drives a tank into her reproductive system. For $15 a month she can get all the BC pills she wants. I also am totally against paying for pecker pills and pumps for old near deads. You been watching the lesbo Sandra fluke or puke too much.
 
The point is unless you're going to do away with covering any reproductive issues you can't just single out women on your hit list.

I'm sure many of you think the pregnancy is punishment for being a slut, but it's the kid who suffers for your justice as much as the mother.

This is the 21st century, we have the ability to stop an unwanted pregnancy before we have the need for abortion which you object to even more. let's put 2000 year old superstition out of the equation and act like an evolved species should act.













Stay thirsty my friends
 
You assume a lot. I am not against abortion and kind of wish your Mom had one before you popped out. You show me why a working woman can't pay the measley cost of her own birth control. You act like women are too dumb to avoid pregnancy unless Daddy gives them the pill and a glass of water. You are the one who wages war on women by assuming they are stupid.
 
First off why does Bubba deserves a blue pill paid for so he can get wood ? but the woman is on her own not to get knocked up once he gets his pill. makes sense if you don't think about it.

It's because ED is a male problem, and that's important.


It's a proven fact it's cheaper to prevent a pregnancy than to have one. if it's low income mothers it's one hell of a lot cheaper when you add in the cost of raising the kid. but you have a solution to that, don't provide healthcare or anything else to the little puke it's not your problem. well played republican you never fail to see the big picture.

If you had the IQ above room temp you'd understand what I'm saying. but you don't. like I said, this is yet another losing battle for you because women can vote, so take your insurance paid for blue pill and go screw yourself.












Stay thirsty my friends
 
>I bet you got beat up
>a lot when you were
>a kid.


That's why he gave up drinking at the bar and went to the internet.
 
Quite the opposite, but I bet you had your underwear pulled over your head so often you cut eye holes in them before you went to class.













Stay thirsty my friends
 
Actually I was fighting more than most and still jump at the chance as old as I am. I think I am not very stable but don't tell Obama.
 
How can any man....be so obsessed with abortion??.....

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Did I start this thread?

You jesus freaks are the ones spending millions to screw with a womans rights, so who is obsessed?










Stay thirsty my friends
 
>Did I start this thread?
>
>You jesus freaks are the ones
>spending millions to screw with
>a womans rights, so who
>is obsessed?
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>Stay thirsty my friends

When did employer sponsored health insurance become a "right"? When did access to birth control become a "right"? Where are these newly created rights enshrined as rights?

I think it is a stupid fight for Hobby Lobby to have but I can't find anywhere that says an employer must pay provide reproductive services for women or men based upon a right. If you can show me then I am good with it but I suspect what you are calling a right isn't a right in the sense that freedom of speech is a right.

Now the law can say contraceptives are covered as a benefit and then the employer can decide whether or not to provide the benefit but none of confers a right. If the employers opts to provide a benefit then that benefit should follow the laws that government employment practices.

Nemont
 

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