Adventurewriter
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HuntinDupe...last year when I was at the Hilton Conference room in Jerusalem listening to the former long-time Chief of Israel security give an two hour update....I didn't see you there...When I was in Jordan for four months and many of the people I was working with were displaced Palestinians....my guess is you were sitting at your keyboard....when I make it my business to appease my very curious nature by asking questions with REAL people in the real world working and living internationally for 15 years.....my guess is you were thinking for a clever come back to 202 and thinking your key board and screen is your link to all knowledge. When I was in Jerusalem watching the way it all worked and didn't work. Watching Palestinian kids argue and scream at each other while playing quick to push and shove. Having a Palestinian cab driver tell me ?I wish the Jews were in charge of everything, we all would have jobs, it would be clean and safe, and all of our politicians are crazy whores.? Walking through the sectioned city and knowing easily when you went from the clean organized Jewish Quarter to the Arab Quarter seeing the trash heaps and graffiti. Working 90% of the last three years of my life hearing the call to prayer five times a day. Talking to a 45 year old Palestinian man with 10 kids under 15 telling me he hadn't a job for 20 years thinking maybe having ten kids is not such a good idea if you don't have a job. So don't imply I don't have a clue. It is my business to have a clue?my life counts on it. Thats the problem with liberals it is all theory without experiencing the real grit of the world. And with that half cocked arrogance you tell all (and God knows your the worst?here at least) how you have it all figured out.
Olmert is under tons of political pressure to say good things. Sort of like your boy Obama?.looks good?.sounds good?..must be good. Like I said above the KEY is ?Population Dynamics? of the region. You have to look below the surface to see what is really going on. At best this is a stall. A behind the scenes political chess match. Am I being negative I guess so. I won't sell out logic and common sense tempered with personal experience to get on the yippy skippy wagon. The Israelis have gone down the road of apologists that you and you liberal buddies have forced our Military in. They have to follow our lead. The same Israelis who were completely outnumbered and against incredible odds kicked the crap out of the Arabs in the six day war and countless other attempts to destroy them. Now have their list of apologies ready before throwing a stone.
Every concession the Jews make is seen as a sign of weakness. When the Jews conceded Gaza, oh this will bring unity to all. The Jews had flower greenhouses, farming, clean and organized, what was once a barren wasteland turned into a land of milk and honey and the first thing the Palestinians did was tear stuff up and sell it for scrap and uses Gaza for their favourite rocket launching spot. We see concessions as understanding and fairness they see it as proof positive their pressure is working and eventually they will have all.
That is the way they think. I know how much as you would love to think everyone in the world thinks just the same it simply is not true. That is important so let me repeat it as you has misread much of what I have written in the past I know if it goes beyond a bumper sticker of headline and a paragraph skim your mind goes overload. Many people in the world have FUNDEMENTALY different ways of looking at things and processing that information and deciding their course of action. Liberals live to the Land of Oz with the naive impression if we are nice enough all will be good. You know your messiahs Obama?s proposed new chant ?we are the world? Do I wish the rest of the world had the same moral values, compass of right and wrong that some Americans do, yes, but they don't. It simply is not. I base much of this conclusion with tens of thousands of person to person international contacts to warzones.
A curious issue I think with the issue at hand is normally in history group of people that hate each other as much as they do and have an impassable issue there is an all out war until one side gives in and is just happy the other side stopped killing them and breaking their stuff. The bad blood is cleared, they both end up knowing who pulls the shots. Things eventually things heal and life goes on. The International community has kept it staggering along for 50 years. Do I suggest they ?just fight it out?, no of course not but a curious observation.
Money that has been pumped into the Palestinians on an epic scale. Arafat, likely you see him as a freedom fighter I see him as a terrorist in the first degree who stole so much money, all Palenstions should have their own personal helicopters and diamond tiaras. But instead they live in squalor. Just like the liberal politicians in the US the extremists that are running the show, don't fool yourself they are, do not want it to be resolved?then they are no longer needed.
So Dupe you might impress your little liberal minions but you are a fraud and don't even know it. That is the sad part I don't think you are an evil guy and probably be the first guy to volunteer to help a friend move. You ?mean well?, that is the liberal trap you are stuck in. But when it comes to anything other than the food pellets fed to you by the mainstream media so far it appears to me you don't have a clue other than a bunch of mindless liberal pinball chatter.
As a footnote I want to make clear my fellow conservatives who use the internet and other sources no ill feeling or implication. We have allot to overcome with the for the most part totally biased media. You have great advantage you are approaching the issue from the right starting blocks and if some of the information is skewed through whatever media you will still be on track for the most part. But is you are starting from the liberal starting blocks?.that tree almost always bears sour fruit.
Dupe let me save the time for your response?you have become too predictable.
Wow, you sure do like to hear yourself talk I gave up halfway through all your babble but I still know everything you wrote was wrong?..so are you saying we should give up hope? If is saves just one child it is worth it. Your mean and negative what a loser.
Olmert is under tons of political pressure to say good things. Sort of like your boy Obama?.looks good?.sounds good?..must be good. Like I said above the KEY is ?Population Dynamics? of the region. You have to look below the surface to see what is really going on. At best this is a stall. A behind the scenes political chess match. Am I being negative I guess so. I won't sell out logic and common sense tempered with personal experience to get on the yippy skippy wagon. The Israelis have gone down the road of apologists that you and you liberal buddies have forced our Military in. They have to follow our lead. The same Israelis who were completely outnumbered and against incredible odds kicked the crap out of the Arabs in the six day war and countless other attempts to destroy them. Now have their list of apologies ready before throwing a stone.
Every concession the Jews make is seen as a sign of weakness. When the Jews conceded Gaza, oh this will bring unity to all. The Jews had flower greenhouses, farming, clean and organized, what was once a barren wasteland turned into a land of milk and honey and the first thing the Palestinians did was tear stuff up and sell it for scrap and uses Gaza for their favourite rocket launching spot. We see concessions as understanding and fairness they see it as proof positive their pressure is working and eventually they will have all.
That is the way they think. I know how much as you would love to think everyone in the world thinks just the same it simply is not true. That is important so let me repeat it as you has misread much of what I have written in the past I know if it goes beyond a bumper sticker of headline and a paragraph skim your mind goes overload. Many people in the world have FUNDEMENTALY different ways of looking at things and processing that information and deciding their course of action. Liberals live to the Land of Oz with the naive impression if we are nice enough all will be good. You know your messiahs Obama?s proposed new chant ?we are the world? Do I wish the rest of the world had the same moral values, compass of right and wrong that some Americans do, yes, but they don't. It simply is not. I base much of this conclusion with tens of thousands of person to person international contacts to warzones.
A curious issue I think with the issue at hand is normally in history group of people that hate each other as much as they do and have an impassable issue there is an all out war until one side gives in and is just happy the other side stopped killing them and breaking their stuff. The bad blood is cleared, they both end up knowing who pulls the shots. Things eventually things heal and life goes on. The International community has kept it staggering along for 50 years. Do I suggest they ?just fight it out?, no of course not but a curious observation.
Money that has been pumped into the Palestinians on an epic scale. Arafat, likely you see him as a freedom fighter I see him as a terrorist in the first degree who stole so much money, all Palenstions should have their own personal helicopters and diamond tiaras. But instead they live in squalor. Just like the liberal politicians in the US the extremists that are running the show, don't fool yourself they are, do not want it to be resolved?then they are no longer needed.
So Dupe you might impress your little liberal minions but you are a fraud and don't even know it. That is the sad part I don't think you are an evil guy and probably be the first guy to volunteer to help a friend move. You ?mean well?, that is the liberal trap you are stuck in. But when it comes to anything other than the food pellets fed to you by the mainstream media so far it appears to me you don't have a clue other than a bunch of mindless liberal pinball chatter.
As a footnote I want to make clear my fellow conservatives who use the internet and other sources no ill feeling or implication. We have allot to overcome with the for the most part totally biased media. You have great advantage you are approaching the issue from the right starting blocks and if some of the information is skewed through whatever media you will still be on track for the most part. But is you are starting from the liberal starting blocks?.that tree almost always bears sour fruit.
Dupe let me save the time for your response?you have become too predictable.
Wow, you sure do like to hear yourself talk I gave up halfway through all your babble but I still know everything you wrote was wrong?..so are you saying we should give up hope? If is saves just one child it is worth it. Your mean and negative what a loser.
