jobless claims 15 yr low

If you took out the ones who wouldn't take a job at gun point the number is lower than that.


The wingnuts will spin it to the worst case no matter what happens.
















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How many times was a gun pointed at your head?
 
Never, but don't let me stop you from trying it.

You have anything to say about the subject?
















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You mean the number of new claims for unemployment benefits.

Of course, that does NOT include the number of people who have exhausted their unemployment benefits, but still have not found a job despite looking.
If you count up all of the (working age) Americans who don't have a job, or only have part time work when they need/want full time employment, the number is astronomical.

This administrations "unemployment" numbers are complacently
misleading.
 
Yeah, it's all bad.

The DOW hit near the all time high today and the S&P hit a new all time high. I guess everyone's crazy except some FOX junkie californians who have all the " truth" .


Anyone who's looking for a job and hasn't found one is a loser . let them starve to death .












Stay thirsty my friends
 
"Anyone who's looking for a job and hasn't found one is a loser. Let them starve to death".

Dude only a moral corrupt far right winger or a drunk half breed with no compassion would say something like that. Which one fits you?

RELH
 
440 said;
>The DOW hit near the all
>time high today and the
>S&P hit a new all
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Funny how you always need to change the subject in order to make a point.


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I guess
>everyone's crazy except some FOX
>junkie californians who have all
>the " truth"

Actually, there are over 50 million unemployed people who agree with me. .


440 said;
Anyone who's looking for a job
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>a loser . let
>them starve to death .

I know skilled, hardworking people who have been looking for years, and can only find part time, low paying jobs.
 
If you can't find a job that's your fault. if you want to be the CEO of Exxon and you live in Idaho you might not find a job. everyone else will.


You know what Sam Kennison said about the starving ethiopians ? you can't grow food in sand. GO WHERE THE FOOD IS . same applies to work.

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LAST EDITED ON May-15-15 AT 11:16AM (MST)[p]
Here's a little clarification for you two lower IQ self professed
experts.

Anaconda tried but no matter what you can't upset the party line!

Here's another older article that clearly shows why numbers can be misleading but used to any politicians advantage. Notice it's written by an economist and College professor dispels the myths about the employment numbers for you and your prot?g?. BY the way folks that are or have previously exhausted their unemployment benefits can't file again until they've managed to satisfy the work history requirement again so even though they're out of work they've fallen off the rolls making the numbers lower in the process.

Nobody's saying things haven't improved to a small extent but nonworking wage earners never has alleviated any deficit and in case you two hadn't noticed we're over 18 trillion, so where's the relief going to come from to reverse the trend?

The state of NY is offering NO TAXES for 10 years to attract out of state employers to relocate, so it would appear the Dems have seen that their way isn't necessarily isn't working either. So what's that say about using tax breaks for businesses to stimulate job growth? They're bragging about the success of the program so let's hear the condemnation of the dems using the old unworkable GOP strategy! I guess you can use tax cuts for job growth ......:)

Think he's not right go look at the debt clock and you'll see just how accurate he is.


Here's the article



3 Lies About Jobs and the Unemployment Rate

A closer look at unemployment numbers tells a different story.



By Antony Davies

May 29, 2012 | 3:30 p.m. EDT
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Antony Davies is an affiliated senior scholar at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University and an associate professor of economics at Duquesne University.

The president says the economy is creating jobs: Since October 2009, the economy has added 3.5 million jobs and the unemployment rate has fallen from 10 percent to almost 8 percent. But America isn't feeling the joy, because?believe it or not?politicians are selectively quoting numbers that make it appear the economy is doing better than it really is. Here are some of the most popular lies-by-omission when talking about jobs and unemployment.

Lie No. 1: The government knows how many people are unemployed.


We don't know for certain how many people are employed because no one counts them. The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates the number of unemployed based on a random sampling of the population. In itself, this isn't a problem. Sampling is a well-established method of estimation when it is too time-consuming or expensive to count every single person.


The problem arises when a politician pretends that the estimate is an exact measurement. For example, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has two employment estimates. In one, the bureau asks randomly selected employers how many workers they hired or let go. In the other, it asks randomly selected people whether they found or lost jobs.

According to the first survey, employers added 115,000 jobs in April. According to the second survey, 169,000 Americans lost their jobs. Which one is correct? Neither?they are both estimates. The correct statement is that April's job numbers were somewhere between 115,000 better and 169,000 worse than March's numbers.

Lie No. 2: More jobs always mean less unemployment.

Each month, more people join the working age population than retire or die. Consequently, the economy needs to add about 180,000 jobs a month just to keep up with population growth.



The problem arises when a politician pretends that adding more jobs means there are fewer people out of work. The next time a politician crows about the economy adding thousands of jobs, subtract 180,000 to get the real jobs gained. This week, Business Insider estimated that the economy will add 130,000 jobs in May. Subtracting 180,000 for population growth means we'll be left with 50,000 more unemployed Americans in May than we had in April.

Lie No. 3: A lower unemployment rate means fewer unemployed people.

We think of people as being either employed or unemployed, but there is a third classification: nonemployed. If you don't have a job but are looking, you are unemployed. If you take a break from looking, perhaps because you keep coming up empty, you become a "discouraged worker" and classified as nonemployed. The "labor force" is the number of employed and unemployed people. The nonemployed people don't count.

The problem arises when a politician pretends that a lower unemployment rate means that more people are working. Suppose there are 15 people in our economy?eight have jobs, two do not have jobs but are looking, and the remaining five do not have jobs and are not looking for work. The 10 people who have jobs or are looking for jobs comprise the labor force. The unemployment rate is 20 percent because two people out of the 10 people in our labor force are unemployed. If one of the unemployed people gives up looking for work and becomes the sixth person in the nonemployed category, our labor force drops to nine. Now, eight people have jobs, one does not have a job but is looking, and six do not have jobs and are not looking for work. The unemployment rate drops to 11 percent because only one person out of our labor force of nine people is unemployed. The number of employed people hasn't changed, but the unemployment rate fell because someone stopped looking for work.



Looking at our current labor market, the official unemployment rate was at a high of 10 percent in October 2009, and has fallen to 8.1 percent. Some politicians say this is evidence that their policies are bringing back jobs. But, much of the decline in the unemployment rate is due to people giving up looking for work. If we were to add back the people who have stopped looking for work since October 2009, the unemployment rate would be more than 11 percent (see graph). The official unemployment rate has fallen largely because we've stopped counting large numbers of jobless people.

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This election season, we'll be treated to stories of how stimulus spending and quantitative easing have created jobs and how the people who brought us these wondrous gifts deserve to be re-elected. But voters would be wise to be skeptical of politicians who only tell us half of the story
 
Facts never stop the liberals from playing out their party line. Dishonesty is just basic to the breed. Anyone with half a brain can tell you this economy is in no way repaired yet. Spendable income for the average American is continuing to drop and if people are getting new jobs they just don't pay what they used to. I am paying $25 an hour and my largest competitor moved their factory to Mexico 5 years ago and they pay $5. I am trying to convince my employees that a $20 an hour pay cut will be great for their families.
 
Boskee, how dare you give real facts to azbullhunter. Now he will go and pout until he can come up with his liberal bull$hit spin. At lease he chose a good name for his handle, az"BULL"hunter as it fits him very well.

RELH
 
The fact is there is a huge labor shortage. if you deadbeats who don't want to work need excused go for it.

When I get don't counting the money I made this week I'll see if I can work up a tear for you.












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The fact that nobody wants to pick yer rocks for $15/hr doesn't mean there's a labor shortage lennie.
 
Sure it does. until a few years ago it would get done for $7.50 an hour.

If there is a job you meet the minimum requirments for unfilled there is no unemployment. unemployed means you can't find a job, unemployed does not mean there are no jobs you're not too good for.

There is a major shortage of skilled workers as well. ask any contractor if they need workers.


You wingnut's sudden compassion for bums and lazy asshats is quite amazing. it's almost like some partisan farse if I didn't know better.













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I'll be the first to admit I'm not an economist, but in NM it doesn't take one to see our economy is Aweful . Far to many in my state have swallowed the pill that Big Brother owes you (pick a reason), keep voting Democratic and blue skies are just around the corner. It's a Big Fat Lie. The work ethic and positive mentorship in hundreds of thousands of American homes is Gone due to The Great Society doctrine started in the 60's. It has developed into a disaster destroying so many lives. Again I will profess my ignorance in macro economics but seems to just be common sense , question.....what will happen when the Fed Reserve starts raising interest rates and we the tax payers must pay a bundle more each year in interest on our 18,000 BILLION dollar debt we now have accrued? If the economy was in the shape 6pack/ Bull declare does anyone believe the Fed would keep interest rates at basically Zero. Not a chance!!! The current highs in the market are artificially inflated due to free money available, that bubble will pop at some point. I do remember that much from my Econ 101 class.
 
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Whatever the basics of the economy are, they are what they are and you're not going to change it. so work with what you have.

High interest rates are good for everyone except people with no imagination or ambition who just want to loan their money and not think.

If it were just a shortage of $7.50 an hour workers I might agree with you, there is a shortage of ALL workes now. I know a landscaper paying $18 an hour for help. you can't buy a truck driver .

If you're not working you don't want to work. lets call it like it is and see if there is something either party might do to get the bums off their butts. I really doubt it.

I don't see this as a partisan issue, both sides have brought us where we are today. my gripe is the republicans knocking the dems for doing what they've been trying to do since TR was in office. create a class society.

These are the good 'ol days anyway you slice it. if you disagree then tell me who and what is going to make it better?













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So what's the incentive for families to go to work? If they do their health insurance premiums go up, taxes go up, food stamps go away, subsidized child care goes away, and they work more more to actually make less. It's a funny thing you keep thinking folks are lazy when in reality thousands of family's have learned that temporary employment only winds up costing them more in the end. The good old days of being employed full time and working for a company until you retire are gone and the new economy has taken job security and their future and kicked it down the road. They've taken benefits away from employers to use an incentive to take a job. If they're lucky enough to have one member working on a good full time job in a household they aren't going to rock that boat.

Your good times mentality couldn't be further from reality and shows that you clearly don't comprehend the issues average families face. You got yours so they're all wrong right? Sorry but if you were starting out and daddy didn't leave you what you have you'd be singing a different tune, especially with your education, now imagine you've got a degree and still can't find a good job one that pays a living wage....... So open your biased little eyes and try to understand the problem not calling them dead beats for not wanting to work for a guy like you, that has gotten by taking advantage of the uneducated for decades. I guess you managing to create some of these issues for yourself doesn't sit well does it.

Yes both parties put us here but Democrat social programs build dependency and Obamacare has reinforced that and will cost us trillions in the end. Trillions they have absolutely no idea how to pay for and never did and given where we are today only add to the deficit. That's the issue with government, it never has nor will ever be self sustaining and they only do that which they need to keep them on the job, living off the work of others, trouble is they've created a huge class of people that have done exactly the same thing and have managed to do so in such a way that has crippled the economy, business and the growth of family at the same time, and further burdened the guys working to carry the load. They're not making things better for the average working guy and employers, they're tearing them down. Think what you want but the new expanding class of jobs without benefits isn't going to help the average guy one damn bit, but it will sure get us closer to Uncle Sam becoming a socialist, with the state controlling more of what we do, say, think and earn.
 
Boskee, agree with every word sir ?. Entitlements must gradually be fazed out to in the end ONLY include those who truely must have them due to physical or mental reasons. I am 100% in favor of helping those who can not provide for themselves, no grey area here. The U.S. economy is hamstrung due to government legislation..EPA, OSHA etc, etc,etc. These stupid laws in NM for an example protecting a stupid little minnow that 99.999999% of the people will never see and depriving farmers of valued water to harvest their crop and provide food for our nation and money to pay their bills is beyond ridiculous . I know that just a side track issue in the big picture of things but it's going on throughout our nation. What part of building our economy, providing jobs, and permitting a since of self worth to an American worker don't the Liberals understand . So you ask 6pack what are we to do to get a American Freeloader back as a productive piece of the American Dream. 1.End unnecessary entitlements over 2-3 yrs 2. Fix our broken tax system, cut ever corporate tax loophole. Implement a Flat or consumption tax ,I don't really care as either would be a major step in the right direction. 3. Reign in burdensome govt regulations only leaving common sense laws that help the dog and don't pander to the tail . There are Trillions of dollars in the hands of smart people ( lots of that overseas due to fear) which would move back to our country if only we would get smart , strong conservative leadership at the helm of our nation
 
We can play the perfect world game all day or talk reality. the reality is the republicans put us here just as much as anyone. if you disagree then you tell me why we didn't have a perfect world in 2006 after 6 years of full " conservative" control ? now that that's done back to reality.

much of what you're saying I agree with, but no way in hell is it going to happen , end of story. so lets be honest, if you want to work you can, and if you invest worth a chit you can bring in the coin too. save your crying for when it's needed, and it will be needed.

Sure sucked today, ca ching! S&P and DOW at all time highs, the tears in my eyes are tears of joy. you guys gloom and doom it without me.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us...sts-upbeat-on-sp-500-2015-05-18?siteid=yhoof2














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Well 6pack, I beleive it CAN happen with the right leadership. Something that I must clear up ....Republican and Conservative are not one in the same. Republicans are Aweful at articulating solid conservative values ...Just Aweful. We must have a leader that is not afraid of the national media and the PC crowd. When true conservative values are properly presented and the woeful failures of Liberal Theology are properly exposed the conservative ideas win hands down. Trust me I have participated in the market for 30+ yrs now and just retired last year comfortably at 55...no one gave me a thing. Years of 80 hrs weeks and wise investments paid off . I'm not crying as we read about market highs sir. That doesn't change my mind about the bubble busting if our fiscal policies aren't changed in our nation. I have moved 50% of our assets to cash as I know it's coming. Not a doom and gloomier , I have both feet in Realville.
 
Bout time u got down to the political forum servehim, but u won't sway lennie. He's allowed the dumbocrats to pour honey into his ear so long he doesn't even realize they wanna redistribute his wealth.
 
Sure the bubble will burst, it always does. I don't think it's quite there yet. but if either one of us knew our time would be too valuble to waste on a stupid forum wouldn't it.

A true FISCAL conservative, wouldn't that be great. all we get are loser social conservatives. I would support a fiscal conservative, always liked them, thatr's what republicans used to be. but good luck gettting him nominated much less elected. there is a reason they went away and it wasn't from being overly popular.

Don't pay attention to DW he's one of those who needs someone to blame for all his shortcomings. his motto is " it's all bad m'kay ".













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Cash would be worthless if the SHTF happens, better have gold or silver to buy anything, and that would be gold & silver that is in hand, not on paper.

RELH
 
As you recognize I'm sure , cash is simply out of market money sitting in a tax differed money market acct available to move but not subject to a big 2 day hit when MIddle East/ South Korea/ China/ Russia start threatening to nuke each other. Oh yes I fully recognize that if things truely go south it won't matter a bit where your funds are allocated. I have silver/ gold hard coins in the safe if the potential to use them to exit is possible. In the past year since retiring my political passion has been on a local sports thread but really think this forum will be much more enjoyable . Even 6pack and Bull won't get my blood pressure up to threatening levels. I'm passionate about hunting and politics but even more passionate about the Lord. He radically changed my life in 1997. That relationship effects profoundly my views and occasionally that will surface
 
You can't afford to have cash very long, I don't know who says inflation is low but they're full of chit.


One thing about stocks is even when they crash they rebound fast, as we've seen . the stock market will always rebound for one simple reason, it's the only place you can put your money that's liquid, offers a good potential return and spans the world.



I'd sell a lot of stocks right now because I think it's time but I can't, I have nowhere to go and the CG's would kill me. same for lots of folks, it's probably safer than it's ever been for this reason.










Stay thirsty my friends
 
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>but they're full of chit.


The same people who say unemployment is low.
 
Unemployment is low for those wanting employment.

Who do you know with any ambition and ability to pass a drug test who can't find a job? or do you know anyone with ambition or that can pass a drug test? maybe that's your problem.













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Do u see the hypocrisy lennie? U say inflation is high but can't understand why $15/hr won't get them rocks picked anymore.
 
So it's better to not work at all than to work for $15 ? what that means is the wetbacks won't work for $15 an hour they can do better at non farm jobs. so where are your " unemployed " whites then? do they not exist or are they too good for such jobs? why should there be any unemployment if a
$15 job is open? do tell.


So I take it you're for raising the minimum wage to say $20 an hour then ? since $15 isn't enough to be called a job?

Now where is the hypocrisy?







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It's a free market. Raise the wage till you get someone to do the job. If the cost gets too high buy a rock picker or pick em yerself. I spent several months building pole barns alone cause I was tired of the knuckleheads and what they thought they were worth.
 
So the way to lower unemployment is for businesses to raise wages until nobody can say no? how much will it take to get your poor disenfranchised bums off the couch? I don't think $50 an hour would do it but you tell me, you're the one who feels sorry for them.














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The low wage jobs don't concern me as much because $15/hr doesn't pay for a $250k house. I need those people that were makein $70k+ to be workin. Those jobs are not comin back with any speed.
 
Just curious 6pack, what state do you live in where you can't fill a $15/hr job. For sure its not NM as there is no such thing as paying that wage without a long line of folks ready to go.
 
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I'm in eastern OR. our minimum wage is $9.25 and that won't get you any help on a farm. it starts at $12 and goes up depending on how hard the work is. IF , you can find anyone at all to do it. contractors and landscapers are paying 15-20 for easier work. if the worker isn't hispanic there isn't a chance in hell you're going to see him on a farm , and we don't have lots of them in this area.

My county also has the highest unemployment in the state, and those are the poor folks DW feels sorry for who won't work for $15 an hour. what would it take to motivate a bum to work? more than they're worth so don't count them as unemployed count them as parasites.


If we have a world meltdown all bets are off. but the way I see it the economy is mostly what people think it is, a self fulfilling prophecy. the people with power and money want control of the people and they want to make more money, this is true in every nation on earth. these people also have the power to restore order and an economy when they work together. therefore we're not going to see a prolonged depression anytime soon the world economy is just not that bad.

I see investments just like my crop rotations, I never want to be too heavy to anything. I wouldn't put that much in money markets because the interest doesn't come close to the inflation loss.

I agree with you on bonds or any kind of loaning investments. interest rates will rise at some point and if things go to crap there will be defaults on the higher risk good paying bonds . if you want to fret inflation is where I'd worry, another reason to stay out of cash and bonds.










Stay thirsty my friends
 
LAST EDITED ON May-20-15 AT 10:58PM (MST)[p]I get it 6pack, you are spot on. We agree on many things. I appreciate your financial input. Your a smart man.. So excited when you eventually see the light on conservative political ideas( not GOP) as opposed to the DNC ideology and its pathway to the bottom. Nothing personal as I'd love to have a beer summit someday in Eastern Oregon or here in The Land of Enchantment
 
....it's funny that they are counted as unemployed...not parasites when a republican is president...
 
Yep, the double standard are so blatantly obvious for any objective person. Republicans do not play on a level Feild with the bias in our national media
 
By the same token republicans don't give a FF about anyone but the top 2% except when a democrat is president.

The same people who aren't working today weren't working when Bush was president. so maybe it's them.














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>Just curious 6pack, what state do
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>For sure its not NM
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>thing as paying that wage
>without a long line of
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Hell I'm about the only one who can pass a TSA background check and a Lifescan here,but the jobs only pay $12-15/hr...seriously.
I used to pay a kid that to clean up a jobsite.
Now you have to speak Mex and work for half what used to be halfway decent pay. Or have 4 jobs to be equal to what used to be low income.

I'm lucky I worked my ass off most of my life and have a small pension and live low key. I can get by without lowering MY standards to pick up some extra cash.

The real unemployment rate in CA is 20%,about 25% here in NM.
I don't care what fake goverment numbers you use,liberal or conservative.
 
Here's an economic indicator you can see. This is one of the lcoal rentail yards. 8 yrs ago you couldn't get a squirt boom in this part of the country as they were all on jobsites. To the right, out of screen, are a dozen man lifts. I realize lennie will poo poo it but it's hard to argue with what's right in front of ya, but he'll give it a whirl.
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LAST EDITED ON May-21-15 AT 03:01PM (MST)[p]If your state sucks it's your fault. call a contractor in OR and see if finding work is a problem.

Go where the food is .















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6 pack is right...go where the work is. My prediction is that in a few short years OR will be sliding South just like every other Liberal controlled state . Wait and see ....history proves it.
 
Care to prove red states do better? start with the bible belt that red stronghold seems to be living the high life.














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Dude, Oregon rates in the "top five states" for taxes in 3 categories, red states you pointed too do not.

RELH
 
And our economy is kicking azz , so explain that?

The bible belt has low taxes , higher unemployment , poorer health and a chitty standard of living. what more could you ask right?
















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Bull$hit, and you yell and rant about not being able to get Juan and Jose working for you for 15 bucks an hour. Your liberal lawmakers are taxing the crap out of you and giving it out in higher welfare payments and Juan and Jose and your welfare trailer trash would be losing money having you as there boss.
So if your standard is that damn good, quit your ranting and suck it up.

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