Looking for a new 7mm Bullet

dmb_14

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I had a gun built and have had great results from the range, but not so good with game ..I shot 180 hybrid Bergers as a hunting round (was recommended) and killed a few animals in Alaska, but the bullet blew up into small shrapnel on all animals...
although it was a very very accurate bullet on the range.
Will be hunting NM elk and smaller game.
Accubond and ELD-X are on the top of the new list. Any advice ?
thanks!!
 

257Tony

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The Berger's are designed to fragment after penetrating 2-3", that's why they kill so we'll. How did the animals you shot react to the hits? I shoot the same bullet out of my 28 Nosler, ans won't be changing anytime soon. The 160 accubond is a proven killer, but you'll give up some long range precision and a lower bc, might not matter if you don't shoot past 500 or so.
 

BIGJOHNT

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I shoot the Berger’s and they are very accurate. But I don’t like them on large game like Elk. Hit a bull in the shoulder and no penetration into the vitals. There are a lot of other quality bullets out there that will do a good job. What range are you planning on shooting your NM elk ? Three feet seems to work good for others on the forum. 😂😂
 
I’ve been shooting the 168 Berger’s out of my 7mm for years and love them. Have killed a lot of animals and a bunch of bulls and they have never failed me. Most of my animals only go fo about two feet...straight down to the ground.
 

dmb_14

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Thanks for the feedback. Went to Alaska this past fall and shot a Dall sheep(350 yards behind the shoulder, dropped) , Caribou(420 behind the shoulder, required a follow up shot) , wolf(454yards straight on chest, ran 150 yards and barely recovered in the Alders) and a cow elk in NM(330 yards behind shoulder, took out lungs). The bullet was definitely consistent on killing, but all bullets fragmented in tiny pieces and shrapnel. I get they might be intended to do this, but I don’t want tiny shards of lead throughout the meat and also would also like a bullet I could have confidence to punch through a shoulder if needed. My concern is with Bull elk, Oryx, Audad, Moose and other large, tough game.
The gun can shoot long range (100-800 yards and is very accurate). I practice a lot and feel comfortable shooting “long range” (so we don’t get into the long range lecture....all shots will be in good judgement and ethical👏👍😊).
Thanks again on the feedback, appreciate the help!
 

The_Coloradoboy

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I shot/tested and killed animals with dang near every high BC Bullet on the market now; Bergers, Nosler ABLR, Hornady Eldx/eldm except the Barnes led. Of all those bullets i still choose Bergers...

The nosler accubond long range had all the hype when it came out. I tested the 142 6.5mm in a 26 nosler and the 210 30 cal in the 300 Rum. The BC’s were not even close to as advertised and were difficult to tune. I killed a larger bear at 860 yards with the 6.5mm 142 out of the 26 but it was a head shot so I didn’t really get a accurate judgement on them until later that fall when a buddy had to shoot a bull 3 times from 275 to 325 with 210s out of my 300Rum. On inspection the bullets were penciling through him with marginal wound channels...

Hornady eldx/eldm
Ran the 175 eldx in the 28 nosler this past fall and had my buddy shoot a bull with it at 150 yards. Shot him perfect behind the shoulder and the bull took off like nothing happened. Shot number 2 hit him in the back of the neck as he was running off and shut the lights off. As we quartered him we found the the first shot was in fact perfect but the bullet had practically came apart on impact and what little was left of it proceed to continue through him leaving a 22cal like wound channel. I think this was attributed to the Bullet was at too high of velocity at impact.. My younger brother took at buck at a shade over 500 with a 212eldx out of his 300win and the Bullet performed perfectly.

I have been running Bergers since 2009. And have personally killed over 20 biggame animals from antelope to elk with them now and witnessed another 40 plus killed with them by friends, family and clients. From everything form 105 grain 6mm’s to 300 grain 338’s. Yes I have witnessed malfunctions, but every bullet is going to malfunction at one point or another if you shoot enough critters. Bergers are the most accurate, easiest to tune and most consistently built bullet on the market. If you weight 10 Berger bullets you will rarely if ever find a deviation of .2 grains. Weigh 10 nosler or horndays you will see a deviation or .7 to .8 grains or even more. Measure 10 Bergers and you will rarely see a deviation in lengths. Measure 10 nosler or horndays and you’ll be suprised.
 

dmb_14

Member
Thanks for the info and results. And I agree completely that all bullets have their issues...
If I stick with Berger, what bullet would you recommend?.. 180 VLd?...195 Extreme outer limit?
Appreciate the help!
 

D6native

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180 Hybrids, work great for me and many others. They're labeled as a target bullet but the slightly thicker jacket works great for hunting.
 
Berger's and ELDX's are match bullets with thin copper jackets. Not sure why either are considered hunting grade bullets and don't think either should be chosen for elk, caribou or moose. I would try Barnes or Nosler E Tip unless you plan on shooting past 400 yards which I don't think anyone should. If you do i would say go with an Accubond. It's a bonded bullet and is as tough as a Partition with a better BC. I shoot 150 grain Nosler E Tip out of my 7 Remington and it performs lights out up to 400 yards.
 

The_Coloradoboy

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Thanks for the info and results. And I agree completely that all bullets have their issues...
If I stick with Berger, what bullet would you recommend?.. 180 VLd?...195 Extreme outer limit?
Appreciate the help!
If you have the length in your magazine I would run the 195’s behind retumbo, h1000, or n570. The 180 is still a good Bullet.
 

buckhorn

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Could someone please tell me the difference between the Berger VLD hunting and the Berger Hybrid?
Which one performs better on game animals? Thanks
 

Cahunter805

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Could someone please tell me the difference between the Berger VLD hunting and the Berger Hybrid?
Which one performs better on game animals? Thanks
The Hybrids have a thicker jacket than the VLD hunting. I have used both with great success. Have confidence in either of them. The hybrids are usually a bit easier to tune as far as seating depth.

One thing that many people fail to consider when choosing a Berger is velocity with the given bullet they choose. I tend to choose the heaviest weight my twist rate will allow and am not concerned with needing the “fastest” bullet out of the cartridge I’m loading. Also I pin drill all Berger’s now to ensure they are not plugged with polishing media or a little excess jacket material.
 

The_Coloradoboy

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I’ve became partial
Could someone please tell me the difference between the Berger VLD hunting and the Berger Hybrid?
Which one performs better on game animals? Thanks
I run the elite hunters and the hybrids in all my rigs currently. The Elites are my favorite because they share the same ogive as the hybrids but they have a thinner jacket which allows for better expansion. The hybrids are much easier to tune than the vld because they are not set depth sensitive and they handle higher velocities better. I currently run the 140 EOL in my 6.5x47 Lapua, the 156 EOL in the 6.5prc/6.5x284, the 195 EOL in the 28nos, 215 hybrid in the 300 win and 230 hybrids in the 300 RUM. Getting ready to test the 245 EOL in the 300rum should be an absolute hammer.
 

buckhorn

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Thanks guys.
I’ve been working up a load for my 7MM Remington mag with a 20” Lilja barrel.
I know what you mean by set depth sensitive on the VLDs.
I’ve had a heck of a time finding the exact contact point with that bullet to the lands. My method now is to use the gravity test where I Point the muzzle straight up and then push the bullet in with the stony point gauge and if the bullet comes back out with gravity I set it a couple thousands deeper. When the bullet stays in the barrel but drops out from gravity with a slight tap on the stock I set that as my contact point.
Does that sound about right?
I found I get a better accuracy with the 180 VLDs than the 168 VLDs. The (jump) I settled on is 0.035 off the lands.
I am curious why the 180s are more accurate for me than the 168s?
I’m getting about 2600 fps with the 180 grain VLDs and 60 grains of H4831 with the 20” barrel.
I tried Retumbo and H1000 with many different powder weights but didn’t get as good of results as the H4831. Does that sound about right for that set up? Thanks again
 

The_Coloradoboy

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Thanks guys.
I’ve been working up a load for my 7MM Remington mag with a 20” Lilja barrel.
I know what you mean by set depth sensitive on the VLDs.
I’ve had a heck of a time finding the exact contact point with that bullet to the lands. My method now is to use the gravity test where I Point the muzzle straight up and then push the bullet in with the stony point gauge and if the bullet comes back out with gravity I set it a couple thousands deeper. When the bullet stays in the barrel but drops out from gravity with a slight tap on the stock I set that as my contact point.
Does that sound about right?
I found I get a better accuracy with the 180 VLDs than the 168 VLDs. The (jump) I settled on is 0.035 off the lands.
I am curious why the 180s are more accurate for me than the 168s?
I’m getting about 2600 fps with the 180 grain VLDs and 60 grains of H4831 with the 20” barrel.
I tried Retumbo and H1000 with many different powder weights but didn’t get as good of results as the H4831. Does that sound about right for that set up? Thanks again
That’s a short little barrel for a 7mm. You’re probably seeing better results with 4831sc in that short barrel because It has a faster burn rate than retumbo or h1000.
 

buckhorn

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It wound up being shorter than I wanted it. That’s the way it came back from the gunsmith. I He messed up when he was making the custom break and had to do a do over. He’s a friend of a friend and I traded him labor so I didn’t want to raise a stink over it. I’ve been thinking about re-barreling it but it does shoot good and I kind of like the small gun.
Here’s a pic.
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dmb_14

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I might give the 195’s a try if I have enough length in the mag and see how they shoot. Attached is a pic of the 180 Hybrid after shooting a cow elk at 330 yards(pancaked). This was the best performance, The other fragments recovered on other animals were a lot smaller than this and in multiple pieces. I just can’t imagine they would hold up and penetrate shooting a big Bull, Oryx, or moose in the shoulder?..but maybe I’m wrong as this is my main concern with the bullet and would still like to use it.
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The_Coloradoboy

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It wound up being shorter than I wanted it. That’s the way it came back from the gunsmith. I He messed up when he was making the custom break and had to do a do over. He’s a friend of a friend and I traded him labor so I didn’t want to raise a stink over it. I’ve been thinking about re-barreling it but it does shoot good and I kind of like the small gun.
Here’s a pic.
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Looks like a 700 action.... be easy to get a prefit barrel and fix that problem. 180s at 2600 is like driving a corvette around in 2nd gear all day
 

Cahunter805

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Buckhorn
With that short of a barrel I’d try a 168VLD with RL17 or IMR7828. The 180s really shine with longer barrels and longer freebore in a 7Rem Mag.
DMB- That looks like a typical piece of the jacket. Did you have an exit? Normally I see some pieces like that or smaller but the base/rear of the bullet and jacket normally exits especially on broadside shots.
 

dmb_14

Member
Buckhorn,
There was never an exit on any of the animals...but maybe the Berger is my best option still. Thanks for all the responses.
 

buckhorn

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Looks like a 700 action.... be easy to get a prefit barrel and fix that problem. 180s at 2600 is like driving a corvette around in 2nd gear all day
Yes 700 action.
Do you have any recommendations on barrels.
What velocity would you want out of a 7 mm Remington mag?
I certainly wouldn’t want to drive a Corvette in second gear all day LOL.
This Lilja Barrel cost over $800 and took about two months to get delivery on it. The custom-made muzzle brake works really well it’s just loud as heck. When I started the build I wanted the barrel 25.5 inches including the brake. .It’s a shame it got cut too short but it is what it is now.
The gun shoots fairly accurately. On a good day at the range I can get a five shot group all touching each other at 100 yards.
However I do have over 1000 rounds through that barrel now. How many rounds is a Lilja good for at 2600 FPS with proper cleaning?
Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions
 

buckhorn

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Buckhorn,
There was never an exit on any of the animals...but maybe the Berger is my best option still. Thanks for all the responses.
My 7MM Remington mag has killed two deer with Berger 180 VLDs. The furthest one was a big bodied buck at 340 yards. The bullet went through the rib cage and exited with about a one and a half inch hole.
The buck took a few seconds to tip over but he was dead on his feet.
 

Cahunter805

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Buckhorn
Sounds like your setup is working well for you. Yes velocity is a bit slow but that will only limit you out at distance.
You could drop to the 168VLD and test a few powders and see if you can get some more velocity.
1000 rounds with proper cleaning is nothing. Keep shooting it until accuracy falls off and can’t be tighten with chasing lands. You will know when your barrel is toast.
 

The_Coloradoboy

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Yes 700 action.
Do you have any recommendations on barrels.
What velocity would you want out of a 7 mm Remington mag?
I certainly wouldn’t want to drive a Corvette in second gear all day LOL.
This Lilja Barrel cost over $800 and took about two months to get delivery on it. The custom-made muzzle brake works really well it’s just loud as heck. When I started the build I wanted the barrel 25.5 inches including the brake. .It’s a shame it got cut too short but it is what it is now.
The gun shoots fairly accurately. On a good day at the range I can get a five shot group all touching each other at 100 yards.
However I do have over 1000 rounds through that barrel now. How many rounds is a Lilja good for at 2600 FPS with proper cleaning?
Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions
Yes 700 action.
Do you have any recommendations on barrels.
What velocity would you want out of a 7 mm Remington mag?
I certainly wouldn’t want to drive a Corvette in second gear all day LOL.
This Lilja Barrel cost over $800 and took about two months to get delivery on it. The custom-made muzzle brake works really well it’s just loud as heck. When I started the build I wanted the barrel 25.5 inches including the brake. .It’s a shame it got cut too short but it is what it is now.
The gun shoots fairly accurately. On a good day at the range I can get a five shot group all touching each other at 100 yards.
However I do have over 1000 rounds through that barrel now. How many rounds is a Lilja good for at 2600 FPS with proper cleaning?
Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions
Order a criterion rem age barrel from northland shooting supply. I would be trying to push the 180s in then 2750 to 2800 ball park
 

buckhorn

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Cahunter
Thanks for the reply.
I have tried the 168s with retumbo, H1000 and H4831 but just can’t get them to group as good as the 180s for some reason. Maybe it’s mental?
Maybe I should try some different powders with the 168s?
I also tried many various powder charges and even with the 180s I get best accuracy with 60gr. of H4831.
I agree with coloradoboy that is probably because it’s a faster burn rate powder.
As far as distance goes the scope will dial out to 700 yards. But I’m not really comfortable shooting that far yet.
Is the shorter barrel really limiting long range that much? Should I be looking for a new barrel?
I really appreciate your comments and suggestions.
 

buckhorn

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Order a criterion rem age barrel from northland shooting supply. I would be trying to push the 180s in then 2750 to 2800 ball park
Thanks I’ll look them up.
I think I would really like to shoot a lighter weight bullet if I could get the accuracy and distance out of it.
I mainly hunt mule deer and occasionally antelope.
 

Cahunter805

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Cahunter
Thanks for the reply.
I have tried the 168s with retumbo, H1000 and H4831 but just can’t get them to group as good as the 180s for some reason. Maybe it’s mental?
Maybe I should try some different powders with the 168s?
I also tried many various powder charges and even with the 180s I get best accuracy with 60gr. of H4831.
I agree with coloradoboy that is probably because it’s a faster burn rate powder.
As far as distance goes the scope will dial out to 700 yards. But I’m not really comfortable shooting that far yet.
Is the shorter barrel really limiting long range that much? Should I be looking for a new barrel?
I really appreciate your comments and suggestions.
Just running some basic numbers 700 yards is where the velocity drops to about 1800 which is my personal preference for a Berger VLD.
You should try 7828 with the 168. It’s an underrated powder for the 7mm. You could also try 4350 with such a short barrel it may work well.
 

buckhorn

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I will give those powders a try with the 168. Good reason to get out and do some more shooting I really enjoy it thanks
 

Wyosam

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If you're not opposed to a mono, the Hammer bullets shoot exceptionally well, and most are reporting very good performaonce on game. Load development has been almost too easy with both rifles I've loaded them for.
 

money

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you might do some research on and test out the new Federal Edge TLR and Federal Terminal Ascent bullets. If they do what they are designed to do they should be one heck of a bullet. I will begin loading some this spring and hope to harvest a few animals with them this fall. I am excited about the potential of them. They have a high B.C. should be tough bullets that hold together and supposedly they will open up at slower speeds which would extend your range.
 

Jerry

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7mm- 72 grains of retumbo and 168 vld, have killed a lot of animals. I wouldn’t trade them
My pick every time for a bullet holding together & penetration no matter the range or game is the Nosler Partition. Never failed me. Every bullet looks like the perfect mushroom . Stake your life on them. JMO plus lots of experiences over 50 years.
Jerry Gold 🍀
 

littlebighorn

Long Time Member
I have had the same nagging concerns about Bergers and yet they shoot very well in my weapon. I read from many trusted posters here that testify that they work just fine, and I believe them. Maybe I'm too old school, because I still have this uneasy feeling that I may only get a shoulder shot at the bull of my dreams. So with a once in a lifetime elk hunt on the horizon, I have been testing the 177g Hunter Hammers in my 28 Nosler. They are a mono bullet like the Barnes and so far I have been super impressed with them. Just another option if you are interested.
 

Gunnihunter

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I’ll catch a lot of crap for this, but the problem is 7mm. From experience it’s a poor caliber. It shoots flat, straight, and true. Just doesn’t do the job sometimes. 300 is the way to go. It’s a hammer and no lost game, in my experience and humble opinion. I will never shoot a 7mm again.
 

Gunnihunter

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It’s not what an animal can feel. It’s about what the bullet does. There’s huge difference between 7mm and 300. This entire thread is about different 7mm bullets that don’t fail and can get the job done. Have you ever seen a thread asking the same about a 300 mag bullet? You find a round that shoots well in your rifle and your good to go. I like Remington 150 for deer and antelope, and 180 or 200 for elk. I shot a 7mm for years and changed to a 300 many years ago with total satisfaction. I have never lost or even had to look for an animal hit with my 300. That’s my experience.
 

hawkbill

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have you tried the Nosler- Accubond- long range-168 gr., they fly really well, I just have a hard time getting away from Bergers
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dmb_14

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Thanks for all the comments and advice. I’ve been trying out a few bullets and so far the gun still likes the Bergers the best....but the ELD-X a close second and accubonds third. Good thing I didn’t draw a hunt this year in NM so I have time to figure out a plan...not really 👎👎. A 30 cal is an option for larger game but this gun was built light for pack in hunts and my son will be shooting it as well. Again, thanks for the help.
 

The_Coloradoboy

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It’s not what an animal can feel. It’s about what the bullet does. There’s huge difference between 7mm and 300. This entire thread is about different 7mm bullets that don’t fail and can get the job done. Have you ever seen a thread asking the same about a 300 mag bullet? You find a round that shoots well in your rifle and your good to go. I like Remington 150 for deer and antelope, and 180 or 200 for elk. I shot a 7mm for years and changed to a 300 many years ago with total satisfaction. I have never lost or even had to look for an animal hit with my 300. That’s my experience.
It’s not what an animal can feel. It’s about what the bullet does. There’s huge difference between 7mm and 300. This entire thread is about different 7mm bullets that don’t fail and can get the job done. Have you ever seen a thread asking the same about a 300 mag bullet? You find a round that shoots well in your rifle and your good to go. I like Remington 150 for deer and antelope, and 180 or 200 for elk. I shot a 7mm for years and changed to a 300 many years ago with total satisfaction. I have never lost or even had to look for an animal hit with my 300. That’s my experience.
I’ve seen probably more elk wounded with 30 caliber magnums than anything else in my life... a 7mm is just as capable as a 300 win man and honestly very ballistically similar when you start digging into ballistics with bullets with similar or like BC’s. I own both and couldn’t tell you which on kills stuff better. A good Bullet and shot placement will always trump caliber size. A big gun shouldn’t compensate for marksmanship IMO.
 

k22hornet

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You want confidence to punch through a shoulder on Elk?
Use a Barnes TTSX or TSX, any weight that will shoot accurately, and these are very accurate bullets.
Since I switched to Barnes in 1992, I have not recovered a Barnes out of any big game animal, whether I used my 270 (130gr) or 30-06 (168gr), and, no animal has needed a 2nd shot. All 'bang-flops'.

My closest elk with a rifle was closer than my closest elk with a bow, a raghorn bull at about 15ft, and my longest big game animal was a 4x4 elk at 417yds. Neither bullet was recovered, and the 417yds bull took 2 steps and dropped, while the 15ft dropped at the shot.

Many bullets tend to fail at very close range (to much velocity) and very long range (not enough velocity).

Take a raw chicken egg and drop it from chest high onto the floor. Take another raw chicken egg and throw against the floor as fast as you can. Notice the difference speed makes in the eggs 'performance'.

You guys who have used Bergers on elk-how confident are you on a 20yd shoulder shot on an elk?

Mono bullets, such as Barnes, Nosler E-Tip and Hornaday GMX, are as close to perfection as a hunting bullet can get, IMHO, close range or far.

Shot placement is always important, but, bullet construction is necessary to penetrate to the vitals.
One last thought: would you rather get hit in the side of the head with a raw chicken egg, or a golf ball?
Mono's are golf balls.
 

BPKHunter

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I call BS to anyone who says they get bang flops on all their kills, as those never happen except perfect high shoulder, spine(near head), and brain shots, which are usually poor, low percentage options to start with.

I also call BS on needing a .300 over a .284, anywhere but Africa.

All the variables discussed here have give and take. I agree TSX penetrate better, but at the cost of BC. So, you have to limit your range, though that is fine for many. All bullets have weaknesses, so you must understand them, and make a choice, then avoid them in the field, such as over or under shooting you bullets effective velocity range.

Nothing is more important when hunting, than having confidence in what your shooting. I agree your barrel is overly short. I shoot 168 Berger’s in a 22” A-bolt at 2875 w RL19. It’s a funny gun as it shoots rarely better than .75 at 100, but never lands outside of .5 from 400 to 800, and has always been money in the moment. I’ve stopped chasing my tail w loads and my 10 other rifles, as this one just “works”, despite the obvious flaws.

Me and my kids all shoot .284’s. Many different bullets. 20 bulls, 50 bucks, and a few bears, hogs, and lopes on side over the past 20 yrs alone, have all died well from 50 to 700 yds. None lost!

And listen to Cahunter805, despite his zip code, he knows his stuff!
 

Muleman

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If your still looking the new federal terminal ascents are looking to be an excellent bullet for those who want retention plus long range accuracy with expansion. They are spendy tho.
 

Ultimag

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I might give the 195’s a try if I have enough length in the mag and see how they shoot. Attached is a pic of the 180 Hybrid after shooting a cow elk at 330 yards(pancaked). This was the best performance, The other fragments recovered on other animals were a lot smaller than this and in multiple pieces. I just can’t imagine they would hold up and penetrate shooting a big Bull, Oryx, or moose in the shoulder?..but maybe I’m wrong as this is my main concern with the bullet and would still like to use it.
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exactly what the berger is designed to do
It isn't abonded or cup & core bullet or gonna, mushroom or hold together, begers are desighned to fragment ALL begers are that way
 

Phantom Hunter

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I hunt with. 7mm Rem, I loaded up with 160 gr Accubonds due to all the hype. Yep, I killed a mature bull elk and some deer, both white tails and mules but bullet performance was not what I was used to with Partitions and Sierra Gamekings or Speer SPBT. Gone back to my Partitions and Gamekings.
 

mtmuley

Long Time Member
I hunt with. 7mm Rem, I loaded up with 160 gr Accubonds due to all the hype. Yep, I killed a mature bull elk and some deer, both white tails and mules but bullet performance was not what I was used to with Partitions and Sierra Gamekings or Speer SPBT. Gone back to my Partitions and Gamekings.
I hunt with. 7mm Rem, I loaded up with 160 gr Accubonds due to all the hype. Yep, I killed a mature bull elk and some deer, both white tails and mules but bullet performance was not what I was used to with Partitions and Sierra Gamekings or Speer SPBT. Gone back to my Partitions and Gamekings.
What was the problem with the Accubond? mtmuley
 

Phantom Hunter

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Mtmuley, contrary to some others experiences I have had inconsistent expansion/penetration with the Accubonds. On at least 75% of the game I have taken with the Accubonds there was no blood trail. I want more consistent bullet expansion and a blood trail, hence my return to loading bullets I know deliver both. Just my experience.
 

mtmuley

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Mtmuley, contrary to some others experiences I have had inconsistent expansion/penetration with the Accubonds. On at least 75% of the game I have taken with the Accubonds there was no blood trail. I want more consistent bullet expansion and a blood trail, hence my return to loading bullets I know deliver both. Just my experience.
Interesting. Just the opposite of me, family and friends. Been shooting them since they were available in .30, 7mm and .277. About 17 or 18 years I guess. Literally a hundred critters or more. Just my experience. mtmuley
 

tailchasers

Long Time Member
Accubonds did not perform well in my 7mag as well. The Accubonds pencilled in and out and several occasions. But they performed awesome in a 30/06, 260, and 270 Had high hopes too. Ended on the ttsx which has not failed at all. Biggest issue there is the copper fouling.
 

tailchasers

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Sure a dead cow, after another round with the same shot placement and similar holes and finally a third round taking our both shoulder because she didn't go down with the first 2. Yup she made it to my dinner table alright but with matching size entrance and exit holes I'd say the bullet failed to perform on expansion as intended.
 

mtmuley

Long Time Member
Sure a dead cow, after another round with the same shot placement and similar holes and finally a third round taking our both shoulder because she didn't go down with the first 2. Yup she made it to my dinner table alright but with matching size entrance and exit holes I'd say the bullet failed to perform on expansion as intended.
Gotcha. Sample of one. Me, samples of dozens and dozens. Sometimes bullets do out of the ordinary things. mtmuley
 

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