Maybe AZGFD will Contract WYGFD to do their Draws!

Joe2Kool · Jun 17, 2023

For the WY draw, I get an e-mail. I click it. It shows me exactly what I got! Nuff said!

Servehim · Jun 17, 2023

Totally agree, NM also has quick draw results with easy access to results. Come on AZ, you're better than this, not to mention how many keypad stokes it takes to submit.

ElmerFudd · Jun 18, 2023

Pay up front would eliminate the rejection/charging/restacking problems. They don't want to post results untill that is sorted out. I hate that a fraud alert or charge card company glitch that could happen to anyone at any time could cause your application to be rejected and drop you down two points levels!

I saw a podcast but a hunter application service where there was speculation of funny business. For sure, AZ is the most user unfriendly draw and most likely to confuse and trip up applicants.

sagebrush · Jun 19, 2023

ElmerFudd said:
Pay up front would eliminate the rejection/charging/restacking problems. They don't want to post results untill that is sorted out. I hate that a fraud alert or charge card company glitch that could happen to anyone at any time could cause your application to be rejected and drop you down two points levels!

I saw a podcast but a hunter application service where there was speculation of funny business. For sure, AZ is the most user unfriendly draw and most likely to confuse and trip up applicants.

Pay up front would cut down the number of applications but wouldn't inherently improve the service. NV does the draw, sends out notifications, and then charges the cards all in one day. It can be done.

ElmerFudd · Jun 19, 2023

sagebrush said:
Pay up front would cut down the number of applications but wouldn't inherently improve the service. NV does the draw, sends out notifications, and then charges the cards all in one day. It can be done.

True, but AZ rejects on a failed charge, the only state to do that dirty deed to applicants. Going to next in line takes them more time to sort out who moves up (either a lower choice applicant or someone who didn't make the first cut). If a lower choice applicant moves up, there is sorting out backfill. They do not want to post till that is all sorted out.

NV gives you a chance to make the charge good and is ok with posting results after verification. WY charges first, so no applicants are rejected for bad charges.

Anyway, today at midnight is the last day to update cards. That means they charge tomorrow. AZ is the last hope for most including me. Good luck!

Mudslinger · Jun 19, 2023

I'm crossing my fingers as well! Last hope, then the scrambling on what to do begins.

Joe2Kool · Jun 19, 2023

ElmerFudd said:
...Anyway, today at midnight is the last day to update cards. That means they charge tomorrow.

Good one Elmer!!

Bwht4x4 · Jun 19, 2023

ElmerFudd said:
Pay up front would eliminate the rejection/charging/restacking problems. They don't want to post results untill that is sorted out. I hate that a fraud alert or charge card company glitch that could happen to anyone at any time could cause your application to be rejected and drop you down two points levels!

I saw a podcast but a hunter application service where there was speculation of funny business. For sure, AZ is the most user unfriendly draw and most likely to confuse and trip up applicants.

EF sums up my concern with AZ! You could not draw a tag and drop 2 points for something that is not your fault in any way. My CC companies do pretty well, but I've had my card declined while getting fuel out of state. Could you imagine your card getting denied for a sheep tag? You couldn't even call your CC company...it'd be too late. AZGFD would have already gave it to someone else. AZ's draw system is scary on so many levels. I love the NV system that allows you to update cards and put in a secondary card for back up. Back in 2014 I drew a LE archery elk tag in UT with 4 points and when they went to charge the card it was declined (can't recall why). A nice lady from the UDWR called me and asked if I wanted the tag and was happy to take a new CC for payment. Personally I prefer paying for the tag upfront and then getting a refund.

Joe2Kool · Jun 20, 2023

Bwht4x4 said:
You could not draw a tag and drop 2 points for something that is not your fault in any way.

This has been mentioned twice, which has me curious. How does a CC denial drop two points? Or are you just referencing point creep? Thanks in advance.

ElmerFudd · Jun 20, 2023

Joe2Kool said:
This has been mentioned twice, which has me curious. How does a CC denial drop two points? Or are you just referencing point creep? Thanks in advance.

If your application is rejected, it is treated as you did not apply. You do not get the point from the application and you lose the loyalty point for the next 5 applications. You fall back two points from where you would be with an unsuccessful application. But the worst scenario would being rejected from something like sheep, where you probably will not ever draw the tag again.

wildfin · Jun 20, 2023

how would you know that you were rejected from a declined card, would you get an email notice from Arizona.

Ihuntemall · Jun 20, 2023

ElmerFudd said:
If your application is rejected, it is treated as you did not apply. You do not get the point from the application and you lose the loyalty point for the next 5 applications. You fall back two points from where you would be with an unsuccessful application. But the worst scenario would being rejected from something like sheep, where you probably will not ever draw the tag again.

Yup, happened to me once when I relied on my younger, dumb a$$ brother to put us in. He jacked up the application. My bad, don’t trust your little brothe!?

longranger · Jun 20, 2023

ElmerFudd said:
If your application is rejected, it is treated as you did not apply. You do not get the point from the application and you lose the loyalty point for the next 5 applications. You fall back two points from where you would be with an unsuccessful application. But the worst scenario would being rejected from something like sheep, where you probably will not ever draw the tag again.

That's not true. Once you apply; drawn, not drawn, rejected or dead you still get your point. Many years ago it was that way if you were rejected but you're now guaranteed the point and you don't lose the loyalty.

longranger · Jun 20, 2023

wildfin said:
how would you know that you were rejected from a declined card, would you get an email notice from Arizona.

I've never had it happen but I know you get no email from azgfd. I think some guys figure out from their card company. Have heard it also shows something on your portal when results are released.

Joe2Kool · Jun 20, 2023

I see what you mean Elmer. Hopefully LR is right and that has been corrected. But, it IS the AZGFD draw system we're talking about so no telling.

Thanks guys.

longranger · Jun 20, 2023

Joe2Kool said:
I see what you mean Elmer. Hopefully LR is right and that has been corrected. But, it IS the AZGFD draw system we're talking about so no telling.

Thanks guys.

I'm right.

WapitiBob · Jun 20, 2023

longranger said:
I'm right.

Yes you are, the app fee now pays for the point.

wweaver79 · Jun 20, 2023

Anyone check their CC, should be hitting them based on years past - morning after cc deadline.

longranger · Jun 20, 2023

Seeing guys getting charges on other forums. Check your cards.

Tikka · Jun 20, 2023

$300 charge pending on my card!!!!

willfrye027 · Jun 20, 2023

If only I could remember which card it used ?

ElmerFudd · Jun 20, 2023

longranger said:
That's not true. Once you apply; drawn, not drawn, rejected or dead you still get your point. Many years ago it was that way if you were rejected but you're now guaranteed the point and you don't lose the loyalty.

The wording has changed to if your card is declined, you will not be drawn. I know people who were rejected in previous years for that. Thanks for correcting me!