More illegals will cost more than this

An interesting flip look on that.


https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/may/23/report-illegal-immigrants-contribute-billions-stat/


Report: Illegal immigrants contribute billions to?stateAnalysis says exodus would cost state tens of thousands of jobs over?time

By?Timothy Pratt

Fri, May 23, 2008 (2 a.m.)

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If Nevada?s undocumented workers left tomorrow, the state would lose tens of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars, according to the?first report to quantify the impact.

The study, from the Houston-based Americans for Immigration Reform, estimates 45,000 jobs would be lost over time and $9.6 billion would no longer circulate through Nevada?s economy each year.

The?report?is particularly timely because something like the posited scenario ? losing tens of thousands of workers ? may well be occurring in the Las Vegas Valley. In?an April 6 story, the Sun reported that an estimated 60 percent to 80 percent of the valley?s residential construction workers are illegal immigrants. With the downturn in the new housing market, tens of thousands of immigrants have lost jobs and are no longer feeding as much money into the local economy. Many are leaving the area.

Because these workers live and work under the radar, economists did not foresee the effects of their lost wages and spending on state revenue; some say more accurate information could have helped the state plan better and avoid some of its current shortfalls.

Nearly two years ago, Assemblyman Moises Denis, D-Las Vegas, unsuccessfully called for a study calculating the effect of illegal immigrants on Nevada?s economy. He says the Texas group?s effort is ?a good start.?

The?report's conclusions about Nevada??don't surprise me,? Denis says. ?I don't think it's inflated.?

A colleague of his, state Sen. Bob Beers, isn't so sure. ?What's missing,? Beers says, ?is an attempt to quantify the costs to society and government? of the illegal immigrant population. He points to the school system as an example, with its large population of students learning English as a second language.

The Perryman Group, a Texas company with 30 years in economic research, conducted the study. Ray Perryman, the company?s president, says his report does try to account for the costs Beers cites.

Perryman allows that his outfit doesn't have access to each state?s tax or social service records, but says he uses data gathered in other studies, including one the state of Texas did, for a model that includes those costs. The report estimates that Nevada in 2007 had 130,000 undocumented immigrants in its workforce, or 9 percent of its total number of workers, the fourth-highest percentage in the nation behind Arizona, California and Texas.

The study says the United States would eventually lose 2.8 million jobs and $551 billion in annual spending without undocumented workers ? not only the jobs held by those workers but jobs lost in other industries as losses rippled through the economy. The state and national figures cited take into account adjustments the economy would make, over time, in the absence of illegal immigrants, the report's authors say.

Maureen Kilkenny, a professor in the resource economics department at the University of Nevada, Reno, wonders whether Perryman?s work doesn't reflect the interests of the businesses in the group, Americans for Immigration Reform, which paid Perryman to do the work.

She says the report doesn't factor into its calculations the difference between wages offered undocumented workers in sectors such as construction and services and what would be paid to legal workers in those sectors.

?The study looks only at the interests of employers ... who can get away with hiring workers at a lower cost,? Kilkenny says.

Beers, somewhat similarly, thinks the study is an example of ?when you start on a mission to conclude something, you usually get there.?

Beto Cardenas, counsel to the Houston-based group and spokesman for the report, says its conclusions are based on facts, and that he welcomes similar studies with different conclusions. Perryman says his group?s reputation precedes this report and that he ?started with a blank piece of a paper and went from there.?

The study took about six months and cost about $100,000, Perryman says.

Denis says Nevada needs to have its own version. ?We need to be worried in Nevada how we handle this issue. We depend on these workers and ... if we don't have an opportunity to bring in more workers in the future, it is going to have an impact.?
 
Sounds like a study with very few real facts. Are they claiming the $550 billion a year is all spent here? If so they do not understand the illegal alien mindset. They send a large part of what they earn back home every week. Also never hear about the impact on the middle class. I remember when brick mason, framer, roofer and the rest of US construction was a good middle class job. Now 80% are done by illegals because they were cheaper. Really great for America.
 
So glen, do you hire illegals? AnalAdventures says he does. He says its ok and its saving him a bundle. But it looks like you're saying that's bad for America. So are we willing to bite the bullet ourselves and pay more for our homes because we decide not to pay illegals less money and hire only US citizens? You say the illegal will do those jobs cheaper AND send a "large part of what they earn back home". So what's wrong with that picture? They can afford to live here AND send money home? But we Americans refuse to work for the same low wages. Are we paying Americans too much? Are we Americans spoiled rotten and wasteful so we need higher wages? Then are we unwilling to do what is necessary to MAGA by paying more for our homes? Are the contractors banking the difference in building costs at our expense? What's the deal?
 
When I bought my biz 17 years ago the owners told me all employees were legal and they had I-9's and SS card copies for them. A year later one came in and asked me to change payroll for him. He said he had a new name and SS number. I fired him. A year later I had a second one do the same and fired him. I pay way over scale and yes I will pay more to have American's do my work. My largest competitor built a plant across the border after the crash. They now pay $3 an hour and we are paying $30. Why would you want Americans to give up their standard of living for a bunch of illegals and greedy employers? I think we need to enforce Everify and a $25000 fine per employee for first offense.
 
The reason I asked is I remembered you telling that story before. I don't want Americans to give up their standard of living for either of those things. I agree we need better border security be it a wall or fence or more BP or whatever. Trouble is not everyone really wants to acknowledge what you just did. Mostly they want to posture and hate while they benefit from the problem.
 
Our economy would tank without the beaners here DOING THE JOBS AMERICANS WILL NOT DO . and farm work is only the beginning. we'd be dependent on the world to feed us and everything would cost more in the end.

It's safe to say we'd lose more than we'd gain by deporting them. how much it would cost would depend on your standard of living. welfare bums and the rich wouldn't notice it near as much as the middle class.

Sometimes I wish we'd just do it. stop all of them from working . then force you to endure the chit show you're too stupid to see would surely come, but you'll never do it . and you never did it in all those years of full control for one reason, you know I'm right.


Trump is just playing you for the chumps you are. those beaners you hate so much are an economic asset.




Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
They're good people too. My best friend came here illegally in the 6th grade from Ciudad Juarez. He finished up high school as an Alien, we always had a laugh at that. It took him a couple of months to learn English and since then, he hasn't stopped talking. They taught him English, but never taught him how to shut up. He's a citizen now.
 
Absolutely illegals contribute. They work and pay taxes when they buy stuff. They're great workers for the most part. They will work long hours and do whatever job needs doing. They don't whine or run to the union shop steward like the entitled white boys do. I always had more in common with the Mexicans than I did most of my fellow workers.

It gets extremely complicated when you try to figure out "how much the illegals cost" and I don't think anyone really has a clue, but most sources I've read say it costs America 1.5-2.5 billion a year. But I'm sure that's just a guess.

A lot of them come here because they have some scheme in mind, not just to work. They rip off the IRS, bring their sick relatives here and check them into the hospital, or they get on welfare. A lot of the stuff they do, the people doing the studies don't have a clue about. And then you have the outright criminals, drugs or otherwise. And 95% of them have no intention of ever becoming US citizens. They resent America, actually.

I say close the border. If you need workers, hire guest workers. Pay them decent and treat them like humans. Not what we have now. Illegal immigration is not only bad for the country, it's not right for them either. They have to live in the shadows. In my opinion, the people who like the status quo are the true racists.

None of this can be done without closing the border first, however you have to do it.
 

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