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I believe the demand for tags far outweighs selling them for the highest price. Even if you just looked at it from an economical standpoint. People pay for a bonus point or what have you, that creates a lot of revenue outside of just the price of the tag. The reality is if you sold all the tags or even just the higher demand tags to the top bidders the price for those tags would go down drastically. That itself is supply and demand, sell one tag for 50,000 but if you sell ten of those tags what do you think they would go for? Not 50,000 each and if this was done across multiple states the same guys that buy those tags each year are not going to buy them all for the same price they have been paying. In California when they took several fund raising tags and made them a general raffle they actually raised more money (substantially more) than the tags brought in when auctioned off. So for $5 a chance they raised more money. You also need to take into account the volumne of license sales which is a substantial amount and then you get into the Pittman Robertson tax which goes back to the states. If you lose hunters you lose bonus point money, license money, tag money, PR funding, and most of all you lose support from the masses which is the only real support to keep hunting alive. Those dollars and those votes far outweigh selling the tags to the highest bids.
Carry on
Joe
Carry on
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You actually touch on a point I have tried to get across to these guys here, but they really don't understand supply and demand. They believe selling tags means they will only be for the evil rich people they hate. When in reality if you put every tag up for sale to the highest bidder the flooded high supply market would drag the prices down to where not just rich people get them. These guys will never understand that though. As for whether you loose hunters when you raise tag prices I am sure you could. But if a guy gets priced out of the hunting market when a tag goes from $52 to $1000, you ain't getting Pittman Robertson money out of him either. He can't afford to guy buy those things. That's just the hard reality.
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Tri. With your style of management, I would have never gotten to hunt the Henries last year.
If people could buy all tags in a flooded market, I am sure I would be out priced every year and never get a premier tag. At least this way I have a chance.
But giving these public land tags to outfitters is plain robbery.
If people could buy all tags in a flooded market, I am sure I would be out priced every year and never get a premier tag. At least this way I have a chance.
But giving these public land tags to outfitters is plain robbery.
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LAST EDITED ON May-02-14 AT 03:32AM (MST)[p]Tristate's vision of MMers on their way to check Wyoming draw results:
If you look close, you can see some of Tri's wealthy oilman clients (with no preference points) flipping us the bird from the crowd.
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If you look close, you can see some of Tri's wealthy oilman clients (with no preference points) flipping us the bird from the crowd.
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I have never gotten to hunt the Henries and more than likely will never get to hunt the Henries. I don't base what is right and wrong over whether I am going to benefit directly from it.
By the way no one "Gave" tags to the outfitters. They had to pay twenty times what the residents did for them. You seem to want to forget that.
By the way no one "Gave" tags to the outfitters. They had to pay twenty times what the residents did for them. You seem to want to forget that.
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They are rich and they have no preference points! OMG! What is the world coming to. Everyone knows a man's character is based on his ability to sit like a good subject and collect preference points each year waiting for his gubmint handout. Yes working hard and EARNING money so you can PAY for your hobby is just slimy.
"By the way no one "Gave" tags to the outfitters. They had to pay twenty times what the residents did for them. You seem to want to forget that."-Tristate
BUT... Tristate, they are then allowed to sell the permits for huge profits. Anyone else who plays by the rules that have been in place forever cannot. That is a government handout. Doesn't matter what the "investment" these outfitters had to pay, they get to profit from a PUBLIC resource.
That simple fact alone makes it wrong. This is not how Teddy Roosevelt intended hunting to be in this country. And I thank him for having the vision to see beyond Greed and Money and look out for the common man.
BUT... Tristate, they are then allowed to sell the permits for huge profits. Anyone else who plays by the rules that have been in place forever cannot. That is a government handout. Doesn't matter what the "investment" these outfitters had to pay, they get to profit from a PUBLIC resource.
That simple fact alone makes it wrong. This is not how Teddy Roosevelt intended hunting to be in this country. And I thank him for having the vision to see beyond Greed and Money and look out for the common man.
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>By the way no one "Gave"
>tags to the outfitters.
>They had to pay twenty
>times what the residents did
>for them. You seem
>to want to forget that.
Haha. When I started reading this I thought you were going to say something like............
"By the way no one "Gave"
tags to the outfitters.
They had to pay twenty
times the tag fees to
Troy Jackson to write and
sponsor the legislation!
You seem to want to forget that."
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>tags to the outfitters.
>They had to pay twenty
>times what the residents did
>for them. You seem
>to want to forget that.
Haha. When I started reading this I thought you were going to say something like............
"By the way no one "Gave"
tags to the outfitters.
They had to pay twenty
times the tag fees to
Troy Jackson to write and
sponsor the legislation!
You seem to want to forget that."
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"BUT... Tristate, they are then allowed to sell the permits for huge profits."
What is huge profit? DO you know what the actual profit will be? See these are the assumptions that are emotional and not logical.
"Anyone else who plays by the rules that have been in place forever cannot. That is a government handout."
Whether you make money or not doesn't decide whether its a handout. Nobody makes money when they get their government cheese but its a handout. As for whether you get to sell your drawn tag or not you can go back and look. I have long stated that you should be able to sell your tag if you want.
" Doesn't matter what the "investment" these outfitters had to pay, they get to profit from a PUBLIC resource."
Just like a large portion of every worker in this nation.
"That simple fact alone makes it wrong."
OPINION.
" This is not how Teddy Roosevelt intended hunting to be in this country. And I thank him for having the vision to see beyond Greed and Money and look out for the common man. "
How do you know what Teddy wanted? Teddy had no fricking concept of what mess this has all become. How could he? Teddy didn't have to deal with ANY of the issues facing wildlife today. The exact reason you are screaming right now is YOUR GREED and YOUR MONEY!
What is huge profit? DO you know what the actual profit will be? See these are the assumptions that are emotional and not logical.
"Anyone else who plays by the rules that have been in place forever cannot. That is a government handout."
Whether you make money or not doesn't decide whether its a handout. Nobody makes money when they get their government cheese but its a handout. As for whether you get to sell your drawn tag or not you can go back and look. I have long stated that you should be able to sell your tag if you want.
" Doesn't matter what the "investment" these outfitters had to pay, they get to profit from a PUBLIC resource."
Just like a large portion of every worker in this nation.
"That simple fact alone makes it wrong."
OPINION.
" This is not how Teddy Roosevelt intended hunting to be in this country. And I thank him for having the vision to see beyond Greed and Money and look out for the common man. "
How do you know what Teddy wanted? Teddy had no fricking concept of what mess this has all become. How could he? Teddy didn't have to deal with ANY of the issues facing wildlife today. The exact reason you are screaming right now is YOUR GREED and YOUR MONEY!
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>How do you know what Teddy
>wanted? Teddy had no
>fricking concept of what mess
>this has all become.
>How could he? Teddy
>didn't have to deal with
>ANY of the issues facing
>wildlife today. The exact
>reason you are screaming right
>now is YOUR GREED and
>YOUR MONEY!
Tri, You don't study much history, do ya? What Teddy wanted is phenomenally well documented. He foresaw exactly what the future held, but unfortunately all he could do was his best, erecting lots of roadblocks to corruption. To ask him to lay the groundwork to totally stop future exploitation by corrupt politicians like Troy Jackson was legislatively impossible. That being said, if Teddy were around today, he certainly would have both Tristate & Troy Jackson bent over the woodpile laying the big stick to their a$$e$.
Speak softly, my friend.
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>wanted? Teddy had no
>fricking concept of what mess
>this has all become.
>How could he? Teddy
>didn't have to deal with
>ANY of the issues facing
>wildlife today. The exact
>reason you are screaming right
>now is YOUR GREED and
>YOUR MONEY!
Tri, You don't study much history, do ya? What Teddy wanted is phenomenally well documented. He foresaw exactly what the future held, but unfortunately all he could do was his best, erecting lots of roadblocks to corruption. To ask him to lay the groundwork to totally stop future exploitation by corrupt politicians like Troy Jackson was legislatively impossible. That being said, if Teddy were around today, he certainly would have both Tristate & Troy Jackson bent over the woodpile laying the big stick to their a$$e$.
Speak softly, my friend.
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Really??? Teddy rote about Lotteries for tags, and preference points and a billion dollar hunting industry with guides and outfitters. He knew all about Range Finders, GPS, Deer contests with cash payouts, and weapons that consistently kill beasts at 1000 meters??????? He knew about Campers, ATV, and habitat reclamation and management?????? Did he know about CWD and the effect of urban sprawl????? Did TR understand a national highway system with infrastructure that would develop an agriculture system worth Trillions of dollars?????
The truth is TR NEVER put in for a deer draw. He NEVER had to get a preference point. He NEVER had to worry or understand a duck bag limit, or proof of sex on a carcass. He NEVER had to get harassed by a game warden. He never could believe that a bunch of titty babies would be sitting for their turn at the tit of a state agency handing out a permit to hunt. Show me where he wrote about these things.
The biggest thing TR never could comprehend and to this day is one of the most destructive things facing our wildlife is the fact that permit allocation is based on failure. He couldn't imagine a management system for wildlife where state agencies with government employees think they can account for all factors that effect a dynamic wildlife population, including the ingenuity of man, and calculate the percentage of failure to kill in order to manage a deer herd. Show me where the hell he wrote about that.
The truth is if TR saw what hunting is today he could possibly die of shock.
The truth is TR NEVER put in for a deer draw. He NEVER had to get a preference point. He NEVER had to worry or understand a duck bag limit, or proof of sex on a carcass. He NEVER had to get harassed by a game warden. He never could believe that a bunch of titty babies would be sitting for their turn at the tit of a state agency handing out a permit to hunt. Show me where he wrote about these things.
The biggest thing TR never could comprehend and to this day is one of the most destructive things facing our wildlife is the fact that permit allocation is based on failure. He couldn't imagine a management system for wildlife where state agencies with government employees think they can account for all factors that effect a dynamic wildlife population, including the ingenuity of man, and calculate the percentage of failure to kill in order to manage a deer herd. Show me where the hell he wrote about that.
The truth is if TR saw what hunting is today he could possibly die of shock.
Just read the wording on the Maine F&W Dept website under "moose hunting". Any Resident applicant that turns 70 or over during the hunting year and has 30 or more bonus points is guaranteed to get a tag. Not too sure Zim, you'll have to straighten me out, but could this be interpreted as a very small interest group getting preferential treatment (welfare) ? Not that I care, happy to see them all get a tag. Of course some of them will be getting their second or third tags, because the bonus point system did not exist pre-1998, and some of them probably drew tags in the 1980 to 1997 time period.
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LAST EDITED ON May-04-14 AT 09:00PM (MST)[p]Hey mainer,
Just saw they updated the 70 year old clause. That is not what their original legislation specified. That is a recent change.
Do you know how much you guys paid Troy Jackson to package your welfare legislation? And was it paid by the outfitter org or via individual "donations"? I have been searching the legislative donation public website, but I'm not familiar with the guys running the org. Thanks.
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Just saw they updated the 70 year old clause. That is not what their original legislation specified. That is a recent change.
Do you know how much you guys paid Troy Jackson to package your welfare legislation? And was it paid by the outfitter org or via individual "donations"? I have been searching the legislative donation public website, but I'm not familiar with the guys running the org. Thanks.
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LAST EDITED ON May-04-14 AT 09:01PM (MST)[p]>Just read the wording on the
>Maine F&W Dept website under
>"moose hunting". Any Resident applicant
>that turns 70 or over
>during the hunting year and
>has 30 or more bonus
>points is guaranteed to get
>a tag. Not too sure
>Zim, you'll have to straighten
>me out, but could this
>be interpreted as a very
>small interest group getting preferential
>treatment (welfare) ? Not
>that I care, happy to
>see them all get a
>tag. Of course some of
>them will be getting their
>second or third tags, because
>the bonus point system did
>not exist pre-1998, and some
>of them probably drew tags
>in the 1980 to 1997
>time period.
And what about the 60-69 year olds who have applied since 1998 and never drawn a tag, while the 21 year old guide will now get their tags?
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>Maine F&W Dept website under
>"moose hunting". Any Resident applicant
>that turns 70 or over
>during the hunting year and
>has 30 or more bonus
>points is guaranteed to get
>a tag. Not too sure
>Zim, you'll have to straighten
>me out, but could this
>be interpreted as a very
>small interest group getting preferential
>treatment (welfare) ? Not
>that I care, happy to
>see them all get a
>tag. Of course some of
>them will be getting their
>second or third tags, because
>the bonus point system did
>not exist pre-1998, and some
>of them probably drew tags
>in the 1980 to 1997
>time period.
And what about the 60-69 year olds who have applied since 1998 and never drawn a tag, while the 21 year old guide will now get their tags?
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Then what was the original legislation proposed for the 70 year olds? I was at the public hearing when that bill was first presented to the committee. To the best of my recollection there was very little discussion, no opposition from the public, and the Committee passed it along to the Legislature with unanimous support. It then passed the Legislature with no amendments. By the way, are you from Maine? Do you actually know Troy Jackson?
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Tri, this is the exact premise I was touching upon in my post #39. Once you open up the Pandora's Box that is entitlements, there is no end. Everyone will want their piece of the pie. And there's always one more deserving than the next. That is why it's best to leave all draws simple one man, one chance.
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LAST EDITED ON May-05-14 AT 08:23AM (MST)[p]Mainer, I think I saved the links. I am turkey hunting Right now and laptop is at home. When I return I'll post the references.
In the meantime, no I am not from Maine, but I do have a lot of family there. What difference does it make?
No. I do not know Troy Jackson. I don't know Rod Blagojavich nor Jerry Weirs nor Jim Thompson nor Corey Rossi either. What difference does it make?
Can you just answer my question about the form of payment Troy Jackson was compensated for sponsoring the Outfitter entitlement bill?
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In the meantime, no I am not from Maine, but I do have a lot of family there. What difference does it make?
No. I do not know Troy Jackson. I don't know Rod Blagojavich nor Jerry Weirs nor Jim Thompson nor Corey Rossi either. What difference does it make?
Can you just answer my question about the form of payment Troy Jackson was compensated for sponsoring the Outfitter entitlement bill?
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LAST EDITED ON May-05-14 AT 09:59AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-05-14 AT 09:57?AM (MST)
How would I know how much if anything Sen. Jackson (Democrat) was paid? Nothing is my guess. I am not from his district. I usually totally disagree with anything he says or proposes. But he has been re-elected in his district many times. I believe his constituents are satisfied with his representation of their interests. I will say that there is very little doubt in my mind that he never would have sponsored LD 738 (the law that allows tags to be sold to sporting camps) if he believed it had a snowball's chance in heck of getting out of committee with much support. This concept of selling moose tags to sporting camps had been brought up in previous sessions and been hammered in committee. This committee, majority Democrat, passed it with one abstension and all the rest "ought to pass" votes. That guarantees accetance by the legislature when the entire body votes on it. The Republican governor refused to sign it, but it became law after a waiting period because it received a veto proof majority of votes from the House and the Senate. Thank you for your time. Edit: meant to wish you luck with the turkey hunt.
How would I know how much if anything Sen. Jackson (Democrat) was paid? Nothing is my guess. I am not from his district. I usually totally disagree with anything he says or proposes. But he has been re-elected in his district many times. I believe his constituents are satisfied with his representation of their interests. I will say that there is very little doubt in my mind that he never would have sponsored LD 738 (the law that allows tags to be sold to sporting camps) if he believed it had a snowball's chance in heck of getting out of committee with much support. This concept of selling moose tags to sporting camps had been brought up in previous sessions and been hammered in committee. This committee, majority Democrat, passed it with one abstension and all the rest "ought to pass" votes. That guarantees accetance by the legislature when the entire body votes on it. The Republican governor refused to sign it, but it became law after a waiting period because it received a veto proof majority of votes from the House and the Senate. Thank you for your time. Edit: meant to wish you luck with the turkey hunt.
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Mainer,
As informed and as knowledgable as you make yourself sound with the Maine legislature and the history of this bill, I find it unimaginable you know nothing about the money paid to Jackson, either over or under the table, to sponsor such a bill. Welfare bills promoted by special interest groups for special interest groups, with a ten year history of failure, simply dont get done any other way. That is now politics works. Anybody who seriously thinks otherwise lives I. A fantasy world. I've researched many other such bills regarding hunting, and found this to be true 100% of the time.
It's certainly no surprise Jackson is a Democrat! If the fee was above the table, I'll eventually find it.
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As informed and as knowledgable as you make yourself sound with the Maine legislature and the history of this bill, I find it unimaginable you know nothing about the money paid to Jackson, either over or under the table, to sponsor such a bill. Welfare bills promoted by special interest groups for special interest groups, with a ten year history of failure, simply dont get done any other way. That is now politics works. Anybody who seriously thinks otherwise lives I. A fantasy world. I've researched many other such bills regarding hunting, and found this to be true 100% of the time.
It's certainly no surprise Jackson is a Democrat! If the fee was above the table, I'll eventually find it.
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I couldn't bear reading every argument in the thread, but will jump in mid-stream nevertheless. Since the wildlife of a state/commonwealth belong to the citizens of that state, there is no "welfare" when any one of these acquires a tag, at any price. The suggestion that since outfitters pay more than the average joe who draws a tag, the state and its citizens are better off with sales to outfitters presupposes that the citizens prefer the money to the tags. By this token, why not sell all of the tags, for every species, to the highest bidder? That sounds like a sure way to kill hunting to me.
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>Is Zim actually trash talking someone
>for not knowing something that
>Zim himself does not know
>and may not be known
>by anyone because it may
>not exist. That is
>true insanity.
Seems your customers hate you as much as the MMers.
http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/view/Post/32586/Taxidermist-Lost-My-Cape-This-Year
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>for not knowing something that
>Zim himself does not know
>and may not be known
>by anyone because it may
>not exist. That is
>true insanity.
Seems your customers hate you as much as the MMers.
http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/view/Post/32586/Taxidermist-Lost-My-Cape-This-Year
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Is that all you've got Zim? You want to jump on the third grade band wagon with Coues and make this about who hates Tristate because your argument is indefensible? You think that gives your argument ANY credibility? Your going to have to try a lot harder than that if you think I am going to change my tune. I don't care what kind of hokey internet gossip you throw up here about me. It has just as much credibility as you do. ZERO.
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Zim you are an idiot. Nearly three years ago those post started! Let it go dude. But, evidently you couldn't let it go with your past girlfriends/wives. What is it you do for a living? Human trafficking? Pornography? I can't remember since it was about three years ago that you posted pics of you and one of your ladies. I believe she was on your back as you were doing push ups. Maybe it was Piper and his lady of the night.
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Wow, kinda a waste of time reading all those posts but somewhat entertaining at the same time...I'd like to add my .02 here as a nonresident from WI that applys for over 40 hunts (mainly western states) to "get in line" to draw some great tags some day. I will also add that I'm 34 years old, own a business, & make a lot of money. (spend a good percentage of it on the outdoors) I have two young boys, I'm a life member to a few great organizations like the NRA and my favorite RMEF! My best friends and hunting partners are my father and two brothers. I would like to think I have been taught well by my father to respect others, the outdoors, and the animals I hunt. I will do my very best to pass on those and other core values to my boys. They will have a significantly more comfortable childhood (financially anyways)than I did and I want to make sure they understand that although they might live in a nicer house and get to go on some great vacations, they are no better or deserving than other kids who aren't so lucky! It is my belief that those of us with more $$ than others should in absolutely no way get any special treatment when applying for a license to hunt an animal in this country! I have no more right to any tag just because I am in a position financially to pay more for it. If you do have a lot of money and truly just want to help make hunting better in this country make a tax deductable donation to an organization that puts 90% of that money directly towards the benefit of said species. It is obviously a form of "welfare" to give preferencial treatement when allocating tags to a business or person simply on the premise of securing more $. I believe in the "free market" and capitalism...I'm a financial advisor by occupation...but there is no way I would cut infront of one of my clients to secure a tag and still feel good about it. Tri, some of those values taught to our young people that you suggest we all forget "in the real world" is to say we should forget about our core values, integrity, and respect and just let the person who can pay more get what they want first. I'm not on here to bash anyone or challenge their way of making a living. I personally don't hire outfitters but I respect what they do and the people who want to pay for their services. What I don't support is any state like NM and now what appears to be Maine pushing people to either apply through a draw under their license number to significantly increase the draw odds, or allow them to buy said tags for a fee to have them subtracted from the draw entirely. How can anyone not see this as a form of welfare or in the very least government financial assistance. I say let all the tags go in the draw and let people decide if they want to hire an outfitter once they draw the tag. Our hunting heritage in this country was not founded on the people with the most money get to hunt the best lands, that was Englands way of doing it. My goal and the goal of the RMEF is to secure land and keep it open to the public for all to enjoy, not just the weathly willing and able to pay more. It truly saddens me to think of what hunting might look like when my boys are adults. If I could have my way it would be more about standing in line, waiting your turn, and enjoying the opportunity when lady luck smiles down on ya! My guess is, I'll end up having to write some pretty good size checks just to be able to take the boys hunting, sad but true!
I'm not saying my way of thinking is the correct way or the only way, just giving my opinion....
I'm not saying my way of thinking is the correct way or the only way, just giving my opinion....
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>Is that all you've got Zim?
> You want to jump
>on the third grade band
>wagon with Coues and make
>this about who hates Tristate
>because your argument is indefensible?
> You think that gives
>your argument ANY credibility?
>Your going to have to
>try a lot harder than
>that if you think I
>am going to change my
>tune. I don't care
>what kind of hokey internet
>gossip you throw up here
>about me. It has
>just as much credibility as
>you do. ZERO.
Tri , i was just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Your posts are almost always accompanied by put downs and negativity, including calling people who draw tags the normal way everything under the book. If my response to you resembled a 3rd grade bandwagon then it seems you would get the point seeing your the grand master of put downs. It isn't so tasty when it's coming back at you is it. Maybe take a second to see that crap breeds crap, and so on. That's why i chimed in so you could see the effects of your constant hear say b.s on here. Try going out to the field a little more, and maybe you could see the light. It's not about what you say, it's how you say it. I embarrassed i came down to the grade your usually at which is usually the 3rd grade. Tri, you still havent answered my question as to why our animals need so much money all of a sudden to survive, and why don't other states that don't have welfare tags are doing so well. Please will you also answer this question. Please explain why the flagship states don't need the 'new" money to be as good or better than the states who are trying to adopt the rape and pillage mentality. Also after explaining that question, please explain who is going to be left to vote for hunting agenda in 20 years after the rape and pillage mentality takes hold and excludes the masses. Maybe after your new way of doing things and after all the tags have been sold to the highest bidder takes place, the next thing the rape and pillage mentality will figure out is how to buy votes since money can't vote and requires numbers of people to be effective. Tri, if you can somehow force yourself not to be the typical 3rd grader your known for, i promise i won't come down to your level (3rd grade) like i did last week. Even going to your level for just a couple days was embarrassing enough for me to last a life time, and to think your there everyday. If i could ask one more, but i don't want to overwhelm you tri, why couldn't states jack up the fees on tags and licenses to make up for the rape and pillage deal you think is such a great idea. Could it be your to busy sucking up the rich guys, and spending to much time trying to sell a pack of lies. Please explain why we have to sell off a bunch of tags to the few, thus excluding the masses, instead of collecting all this "supposedly" needed money which you still haven't explained why is so necessary from the masses, thus not excluding any specific group, whether wealthy or poor. Thank you in advance for answering these questions for us all, and no hear say allowed just facts tri!!
> You want to jump
>on the third grade band
>wagon with Coues and make
>this about who hates Tristate
>because your argument is indefensible?
> You think that gives
>your argument ANY credibility?
>Your going to have to
>try a lot harder than
>that if you think I
>am going to change my
>tune. I don't care
>what kind of hokey internet
>gossip you throw up here
>about me. It has
>just as much credibility as
>you do. ZERO.
Tri , i was just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Your posts are almost always accompanied by put downs and negativity, including calling people who draw tags the normal way everything under the book. If my response to you resembled a 3rd grade bandwagon then it seems you would get the point seeing your the grand master of put downs. It isn't so tasty when it's coming back at you is it. Maybe take a second to see that crap breeds crap, and so on. That's why i chimed in so you could see the effects of your constant hear say b.s on here. Try going out to the field a little more, and maybe you could see the light. It's not about what you say, it's how you say it. I embarrassed i came down to the grade your usually at which is usually the 3rd grade. Tri, you still havent answered my question as to why our animals need so much money all of a sudden to survive, and why don't other states that don't have welfare tags are doing so well. Please will you also answer this question. Please explain why the flagship states don't need the 'new" money to be as good or better than the states who are trying to adopt the rape and pillage mentality. Also after explaining that question, please explain who is going to be left to vote for hunting agenda in 20 years after the rape and pillage mentality takes hold and excludes the masses. Maybe after your new way of doing things and after all the tags have been sold to the highest bidder takes place, the next thing the rape and pillage mentality will figure out is how to buy votes since money can't vote and requires numbers of people to be effective. Tri, if you can somehow force yourself not to be the typical 3rd grader your known for, i promise i won't come down to your level (3rd grade) like i did last week. Even going to your level for just a couple days was embarrassing enough for me to last a life time, and to think your there everyday. If i could ask one more, but i don't want to overwhelm you tri, why couldn't states jack up the fees on tags and licenses to make up for the rape and pillage deal you think is such a great idea. Could it be your to busy sucking up the rich guys, and spending to much time trying to sell a pack of lies. Please explain why we have to sell off a bunch of tags to the few, thus excluding the masses, instead of collecting all this "supposedly" needed money which you still haven't explained why is so necessary from the masses, thus not excluding any specific group, whether wealthy or poor. Thank you in advance for answering these questions for us all, and no hear say allowed just facts tri!!
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"Tri , i was just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Your posts are almost always accompanied by put downs and negativity, including calling people who draw tags the normal way everything under the book."
Go show me where I have called people who draw a tag "everything under the book". I dare you. I have said its welfare and that's it. I haven't called anyone a derogatory name because they put in for the draw. Don't make up stuff because you are too stupid to defend your position. Why would I call people names who draw when I PUT IN FOR DRAWS TOO?
" If my response to you resembled a 3rd grade bandwagon then it seems you would get the point seeing your the grand master of put downs. It isn't so tasty when it's coming back at you is it."
You think I give a damn how tasty it is????? It is a great feeling to know that you are so frustrated trying to defend an emotional response to a childish situation that you resort to that. When you start talking trash I know YOU ARE NOSEDIVING. Its like playing poker and you decide to play with all your cards facing me. Keep dishing it out boy, I can take whatever you have.
"Maybe take a second to see that crap breeds crap, and so on."
Kind of like a dude coming on here saying a man that works for a living and is paying the government 20 times more than you do for the same resource is a welfare recipient?????? You mean that kind of crap? The kind of crap that was the VERY FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD???? Yeah, that crap breads a lot of crap. Go talk to Zim.
" That's why i chimed in so you could see the effects of your constant hear say b.s on here."
Now your lying. You chimed in because you agree with zim and it eats at your very soul that someone in this world might actually use logic instead of a feeble emotional attempt to get what they want.
" Try going out to the field a little more, and maybe you could see the light. It's not about what you say, it's how you say it."
Trust me I know the most people can't handle the truth. You're no different.
" I embarrassed i came down to the grade your usually at which is usually the 3rd grade. Tri, you still havent answered my question as to why our animals need so much money all of a sudden to survive, and why don't other states that don't have welfare tags are doing so well. Please will you also answer this question. Please explain why the flagship states don't need the 'new" money to be as good or better than the states who are trying to adopt the rape and pillage mentality."
Actually I did explain it. Just because either you don't know how to read or the fact that you refuse to use your brain doesn't mean I didn't answer that question.
"Also after explaining that question, please explain who is going to be left to vote for hunting agenda in 20 years after the rape and pillage mentality takes hold and excludes the masses. Maybe after your new way of doing things and after all the tags have been sold to the highest bidder takes place, the next thing the rape and pillage mentality will figure out is how to buy votes since money can't vote and requires numbers of people to be effective."
It isn't about votes already. Do you think any majority anywhere votes for candidates based upon their hunting stances? DO you think you or any of us are a majority???? Do you think ANY of this is even controlled by a democratic process? Are you really that naive?
" Tri, if you can somehow force yourself not to be the typical 3rd grader your known for, i promise i won't come down to your level (3rd grade) like i did last week. Even going to your level for just a couple days was embarrassing enough for me to last a life time, and to think your there everyday."
To late for you to take the high road now.
"If i could ask one more, but i don't want to overwhelm you tri,"
I like how in one sentence you are going to be the more mature individual and in the next sentence you start patronizing me. Your a real two faced dirtbag. I hope that doesn't overwhelm you.
" why couldn't states jack up the fees on tags and licenses to make up for the rape and pillage deal you think is such a great idea. Could it be your to busy sucking up the rich guys, and spending to much time trying to sell a pack of lies. Please explain why we have to sell off a bunch of tags to the few, thus excluding the masses, instead of collecting all this "supposedly" needed money which you still haven't explained why is so necessary from the masses, thus not excluding any specific group, whether wealthy or poor. Thank you in advance for answering these questions for us all, and no hear say allowed just facts tri!!"
Actually once again GO BACK AND READ. I have actually said the state government can go back and jack the rates for draw tags way up. That's where stupid people with emotional arguments go wrong. They start making idiot assumptions how this is some rich vs poor junk because THATS WHAT IT IS TO YOU. I don't care if the state agencies throw the whole lot of you over a barrel and clean everybody out for the moose tags as long as the moose benefit. You want to start paying thousands for moose tags, I'm all for it. Put your money where your mouth is.
Go show me where I have called people who draw a tag "everything under the book". I dare you. I have said its welfare and that's it. I haven't called anyone a derogatory name because they put in for the draw. Don't make up stuff because you are too stupid to defend your position. Why would I call people names who draw when I PUT IN FOR DRAWS TOO?
" If my response to you resembled a 3rd grade bandwagon then it seems you would get the point seeing your the grand master of put downs. It isn't so tasty when it's coming back at you is it."
You think I give a damn how tasty it is????? It is a great feeling to know that you are so frustrated trying to defend an emotional response to a childish situation that you resort to that. When you start talking trash I know YOU ARE NOSEDIVING. Its like playing poker and you decide to play with all your cards facing me. Keep dishing it out boy, I can take whatever you have.
"Maybe take a second to see that crap breeds crap, and so on."
Kind of like a dude coming on here saying a man that works for a living and is paying the government 20 times more than you do for the same resource is a welfare recipient?????? You mean that kind of crap? The kind of crap that was the VERY FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD???? Yeah, that crap breads a lot of crap. Go talk to Zim.
" That's why i chimed in so you could see the effects of your constant hear say b.s on here."
Now your lying. You chimed in because you agree with zim and it eats at your very soul that someone in this world might actually use logic instead of a feeble emotional attempt to get what they want.
" Try going out to the field a little more, and maybe you could see the light. It's not about what you say, it's how you say it."
Trust me I know the most people can't handle the truth. You're no different.
" I embarrassed i came down to the grade your usually at which is usually the 3rd grade. Tri, you still havent answered my question as to why our animals need so much money all of a sudden to survive, and why don't other states that don't have welfare tags are doing so well. Please will you also answer this question. Please explain why the flagship states don't need the 'new" money to be as good or better than the states who are trying to adopt the rape and pillage mentality."
Actually I did explain it. Just because either you don't know how to read or the fact that you refuse to use your brain doesn't mean I didn't answer that question.
"Also after explaining that question, please explain who is going to be left to vote for hunting agenda in 20 years after the rape and pillage mentality takes hold and excludes the masses. Maybe after your new way of doing things and after all the tags have been sold to the highest bidder takes place, the next thing the rape and pillage mentality will figure out is how to buy votes since money can't vote and requires numbers of people to be effective."
It isn't about votes already. Do you think any majority anywhere votes for candidates based upon their hunting stances? DO you think you or any of us are a majority???? Do you think ANY of this is even controlled by a democratic process? Are you really that naive?
" Tri, if you can somehow force yourself not to be the typical 3rd grader your known for, i promise i won't come down to your level (3rd grade) like i did last week. Even going to your level for just a couple days was embarrassing enough for me to last a life time, and to think your there everyday."
To late for you to take the high road now.
"If i could ask one more, but i don't want to overwhelm you tri,"
I like how in one sentence you are going to be the more mature individual and in the next sentence you start patronizing me. Your a real two faced dirtbag. I hope that doesn't overwhelm you.
" why couldn't states jack up the fees on tags and licenses to make up for the rape and pillage deal you think is such a great idea. Could it be your to busy sucking up the rich guys, and spending to much time trying to sell a pack of lies. Please explain why we have to sell off a bunch of tags to the few, thus excluding the masses, instead of collecting all this "supposedly" needed money which you still haven't explained why is so necessary from the masses, thus not excluding any specific group, whether wealthy or poor. Thank you in advance for answering these questions for us all, and no hear say allowed just facts tri!!"
Actually once again GO BACK AND READ. I have actually said the state government can go back and jack the rates for draw tags way up. That's where stupid people with emotional arguments go wrong. They start making idiot assumptions how this is some rich vs poor junk because THATS WHAT IT IS TO YOU. I don't care if the state agencies throw the whole lot of you over a barrel and clean everybody out for the moose tags as long as the moose benefit. You want to start paying thousands for moose tags, I'm all for it. Put your money where your mouth is.
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I can't remember
>since it was about three
>years ago that you posted
>pics of you and one
>of your ladies. I believe
>she was on your back
>as you were doing push
>ups. Maybe it was Piper
>and his lady of the
>night.
YBO, You F'd up outfitter boy with the fake profile. Why not just go with the usual "Disabled Profile" like all the other outfitters wanting welfare? Not that all of you do. I have nothing against outfitters at all. Just the ones that want free money like you. And that must be someone else you speak of. I have chronic elbow tendinitis and don't do push-up's solo, much less with a g/f in tow. Now be a good boy and go fix your profile.
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>since it was about three
>years ago that you posted
>pics of you and one
>of your ladies. I believe
>she was on your back
>as you were doing push
>ups. Maybe it was Piper
>and his lady of the
>night.
YBO, You F'd up outfitter boy with the fake profile. Why not just go with the usual "Disabled Profile" like all the other outfitters wanting welfare? Not that all of you do. I have nothing against outfitters at all. Just the ones that want free money like you. And that must be someone else you speak of. I have chronic elbow tendinitis and don't do push-up's solo, much less with a g/f in tow. Now be a good boy and go fix your profile.
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Adubs11,
I like how you are trying to walk the straight and narrow in your personal and hunting life. However I think there are a couple of mistakes in your logic.
First you wrote this.
"It is my belief that those of us with more $$ than others should in absolutely no way get any special treatment when applying for a license to hunt an animal in this country! I have no more right to any tag just because I am in a position financially to pay more for it."
None of those tags are a right. None of them. Whether you draw one or buy it isn't a right. No right is handed out on a lottery system nor is it ever bought. You are born with a right. A hunting tag is a privilege and a privilege can be made more available to ladies and gentlemen who want to spend for the privilege. If someone values a privilege more than you or your kids and wants to pay more for it that is his business and now his privilege.
Then you wrote this.
"Tri, some of those values taught to our young people that you suggest we all forget "in the real world" is to say we should forget about our core values, integrity, and respect and just let the person who can pay more get what they want first."
Standing in line waiting for a handout is not a value. It does not build integrity or respect. It is a control measure nothing more. I have not attacked any other "values" so please keep your facts straight. You did not stand in line for your education or your career. You excelled and out competed people. THAT IS A VALUE. A value that your children will benefit from. No body handed you your success because you waited for a turn in line that was earned with nothing more than you standing still. I want to know how often you see the floor of the Dow and see all those traders sitting there in a nice little line and a man walking up saying its your turn now. Hell no they are screaming their heads off in a pile of shoving screaming insanity. AND YOUR DOLLAR IS PAYING FOR THAT. That's right YOU are paying those people to cut those deals in competitive free market and you do it in a spirit of competition. That means those gains and buys you make to benefit your clients and ultimately your children you are making sure your clients and kids get theirs before anyone else does. Please don't be na?ve of your lot in life.
I like how you are trying to walk the straight and narrow in your personal and hunting life. However I think there are a couple of mistakes in your logic.
First you wrote this.
"It is my belief that those of us with more $$ than others should in absolutely no way get any special treatment when applying for a license to hunt an animal in this country! I have no more right to any tag just because I am in a position financially to pay more for it."
None of those tags are a right. None of them. Whether you draw one or buy it isn't a right. No right is handed out on a lottery system nor is it ever bought. You are born with a right. A hunting tag is a privilege and a privilege can be made more available to ladies and gentlemen who want to spend for the privilege. If someone values a privilege more than you or your kids and wants to pay more for it that is his business and now his privilege.
Then you wrote this.
"Tri, some of those values taught to our young people that you suggest we all forget "in the real world" is to say we should forget about our core values, integrity, and respect and just let the person who can pay more get what they want first."
Standing in line waiting for a handout is not a value. It does not build integrity or respect. It is a control measure nothing more. I have not attacked any other "values" so please keep your facts straight. You did not stand in line for your education or your career. You excelled and out competed people. THAT IS A VALUE. A value that your children will benefit from. No body handed you your success because you waited for a turn in line that was earned with nothing more than you standing still. I want to know how often you see the floor of the Dow and see all those traders sitting there in a nice little line and a man walking up saying its your turn now. Hell no they are screaming their heads off in a pile of shoving screaming insanity. AND YOUR DOLLAR IS PAYING FOR THAT. That's right YOU are paying those people to cut those deals in competitive free market and you do it in a spirit of competition. That means those gains and buys you make to benefit your clients and ultimately your children you are making sure your clients and kids get theirs before anyone else does. Please don't be na?ve of your lot in life.
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>Zim, did you forget to take
>your antidepressants? Free money and
>welfare? Do you need a
>job?
I'm 54, started working at 12, and have not filed for unemployment once in my life. Unlike you welfare outfitters with fake profiles.
Sorry if you were one of those 12 board members lining the pockets of Jerry Weirs out there. Still stinging from that? Don't worry. You'll get over it eventually.
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>your antidepressants? Free money and
>welfare? Do you need a
>job?
I'm 54, started working at 12, and have not filed for unemployment once in my life. Unlike you welfare outfitters with fake profiles.
Sorry if you were one of those 12 board members lining the pockets of Jerry Weirs out there. Still stinging from that? Don't worry. You'll get over it eventually.
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Tri,
Your agenda is personal profit at any cost. If that means sheet canning ethics, you're all in. You view quality tags others have invested in as being pissed away when they could be in the hands of your high-dollar clients. Period. Why not just admit it? The truth will set you free.
I'd suggest you promote your business by doing quality work and making things right instead of screwing people like this guy:
http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/view/Post/32586/Taxidermist-Lost-My-Cape-This-Year
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Your agenda is personal profit at any cost. If that means sheet canning ethics, you're all in. You view quality tags others have invested in as being pissed away when they could be in the hands of your high-dollar clients. Period. Why not just admit it? The truth will set you free.
I'd suggest you promote your business by doing quality work and making things right instead of screwing people like this guy:
http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/view/Post/32586/Taxidermist-Lost-My-Cape-This-Year
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Zim,
You are still acting desperate. Why would you worry about my work? Why don't you get on a plane and come visit my work if its important to you. Since you are worried about how much work I have I guess I should let you know that we have done nothing but grow since "screwing that guy". In fact we are having the biggest year in the history of this company. In fact all this is teaching me is that "screwing" people and letting them blast their BS all over the internet might be the best thing for this company. By the way I just gave all my guys raises two months ago.
Now let me ask you something boy. DO YOU SEE ME COME ON THESE FORUMS AND PROMOTE OR ASK PEOPLE EVER TO USE MY BUSINESS? Not once have I solicited for my company here. But some how you think its all about profit for me. The fact is its about the animals. I realize when there are no animals there will be no hunting. And I was a hunter long before I ever started this company.
As for you, you actually DEFINE yourself on every post as being part of a "Hate Club". Those are your words not mine. Your hate is blinding you. Look at this thread. You have hi-jacked your own thread. You have realized that your hate is indefensible and therefore all you can do is try to belittle people and besmirch a company where several people work to feed their families that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. That is what makes you scum. There is no one more self-righteous, or self-serving, or more vacant of decency on this threads than you Zim. Even Topgun was smart enough not to touch this one.
Now I will ask you a question that Coues never had the balls to answer and we will see if we can get YOUR thread back on track. Why is a man that pays several times more for a moose tag than you do a "welfare recipient" and YOU are not?
You are still acting desperate. Why would you worry about my work? Why don't you get on a plane and come visit my work if its important to you. Since you are worried about how much work I have I guess I should let you know that we have done nothing but grow since "screwing that guy". In fact we are having the biggest year in the history of this company. In fact all this is teaching me is that "screwing" people and letting them blast their BS all over the internet might be the best thing for this company. By the way I just gave all my guys raises two months ago.
Now let me ask you something boy. DO YOU SEE ME COME ON THESE FORUMS AND PROMOTE OR ASK PEOPLE EVER TO USE MY BUSINESS? Not once have I solicited for my company here. But some how you think its all about profit for me. The fact is its about the animals. I realize when there are no animals there will be no hunting. And I was a hunter long before I ever started this company.
As for you, you actually DEFINE yourself on every post as being part of a "Hate Club". Those are your words not mine. Your hate is blinding you. Look at this thread. You have hi-jacked your own thread. You have realized that your hate is indefensible and therefore all you can do is try to belittle people and besmirch a company where several people work to feed their families that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. That is what makes you scum. There is no one more self-righteous, or self-serving, or more vacant of decency on this threads than you Zim. Even Topgun was smart enough not to touch this one.
Now I will ask you a question that Coues never had the balls to answer and we will see if we can get YOUR thread back on track. Why is a man that pays several times more for a moose tag than you do a "welfare recipient" and YOU are not?
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Zim,
Who in the hell is Jerry Weirs? I swear I'll give you a free Maine Moose tag if I could procure one. You have no idea what your talking about and I've never been east of the Mississippi. As far as profile disabled, I have no idea why it is. Maybe founder did that because he was afraid I might take a bullet in the teeth by some hot head mentally deranged liberal. You have obviously mistaken me for someone else, albeit quite entertaining.
Who in the hell is Jerry Weirs? I swear I'll give you a free Maine Moose tag if I could procure one. You have no idea what your talking about and I've never been east of the Mississippi. As far as profile disabled, I have no idea why it is. Maybe founder did that because he was afraid I might take a bullet in the teeth by some hot head mentally deranged liberal. You have obviously mistaken me for someone else, albeit quite entertaining.
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YBO,
Zim is dying to know who people are so he can attempt to dig up what he considers dirt about them. That's the only way he knows how to defend his internet crazy rants. His daddy didn't ever whip his ass and tell him to use logic. Take it as a complement that Zim realizes his life is so meaningless that he must define himself by attacking Your life. He really is bat crap nuts.
Zim is dying to know who people are so he can attempt to dig up what he considers dirt about them. That's the only way he knows how to defend his internet crazy rants. His daddy didn't ever whip his ass and tell him to use logic. Take it as a complement that Zim realizes his life is so meaningless that he must define himself by attacking Your life. He really is bat crap nuts.
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Looks like the Biologists are getting the last word.
From the Maine Dept IF&G
quote: "Reduction In Moose Permits Impacts Availability Of
Hunting Lodge Permits
Due to a peak year for winter ticks and their impac
t on the moose population this winter,
the Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife is
reducing the overall number of moose
permits available to hunters this fall.
On May 9, The IFW?s advisory council accepted the d
epartment's recommendation to
reduce the number of moose permits available for th
e 2014 season. This fall, the
department will issue 3095 permits statewide, down
from the 4,110 that were available
last year.
?Based upon the research of our biologists, I feel
it is prudent to decrease the number of
female moose permits available,? said IFW Commissio
ner Chandler Woodcock.
?Decreasing the amount of permits will help lessen
the impact of winter tick on the
state?s moose population.?
In particular, the department decreased the number
of antlerless only permits that are
available to hunters. Antlerless only permits were
decreased in wildlife management
districts 1-5, 7-9 and 12-13. This is the northern
and northwestern part of Maine
including northern the northern portions of Oxford,
Franklin, Somerset, Piscataquis,
Penobscot and Aroostook counties.
Under a new law that was passed in 2014, if the num
ber of moose permits available was
over 3,140, 10% of the number in excess of 3,140 wo
uld be available to hunting lodges if
they met certain criteria.
The 3,095 permits that are now available is under t
he threshold of 3,140 permits, and
unfortunately the department will be unable to issu
e any permits to hunting lodges this
year."
The preceding news release from the ME IF&W :
http://www.maine.gov/ifw/aboutus/news_events/pressreleases/single.shtml?id=620095
From the Maine Dept IF&G
quote: "Reduction In Moose Permits Impacts Availability Of
Hunting Lodge Permits
Due to a peak year for winter ticks and their impac
t on the moose population this winter,
the Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife is
reducing the overall number of moose
permits available to hunters this fall.
On May 9, The IFW?s advisory council accepted the d
epartment's recommendation to
reduce the number of moose permits available for th
e 2014 season. This fall, the
department will issue 3095 permits statewide, down
from the 4,110 that were available
last year.
?Based upon the research of our biologists, I feel
it is prudent to decrease the number of
female moose permits available,? said IFW Commissio
ner Chandler Woodcock.
?Decreasing the amount of permits will help lessen
the impact of winter tick on the
state?s moose population.?
In particular, the department decreased the number
of antlerless only permits that are
available to hunters. Antlerless only permits were
decreased in wildlife management
districts 1-5, 7-9 and 12-13. This is the northern
and northwestern part of Maine
including northern the northern portions of Oxford,
Franklin, Somerset, Piscataquis,
Penobscot and Aroostook counties.
Under a new law that was passed in 2014, if the num
ber of moose permits available was
over 3,140, 10% of the number in excess of 3,140 wo
uld be available to hunting lodges if
they met certain criteria.
The 3,095 permits that are now available is under t
he threshold of 3,140 permits, and
unfortunately the department will be unable to issu
e any permits to hunting lodges this
year."
The preceding news release from the ME IF&W :
http://www.maine.gov/ifw/aboutus/news_events/pressreleases/single.shtml?id=620095
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How ironic...........and awesome!
Hahaha.
Maine residents will now have a year to load their scatter guns and pay Troy Jackson and the rest of the legislature a visit.......and tell them what they think about the morphed outfitter welfare bill that will return before the 2015 moose season.
Strongly recommend all Maine residents especially to get off your hands and let Troy Jackson & your legislators know how you feel. Don't allow them to morph the outfitter welfare bill from it's present neutered form!!!
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Hahaha.
Maine residents will now have a year to load their scatter guns and pay Troy Jackson and the rest of the legislature a visit.......and tell them what they think about the morphed outfitter welfare bill that will return before the 2015 moose season.
Strongly recommend all Maine residents especially to get off your hands and let Troy Jackson & your legislators know how you feel. Don't allow them to morph the outfitter welfare bill from it's present neutered form!!!
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