NR general elk regions

[Bookhead]

Looks as though they are going to move forward with the non resident general elk regions the draft regulations are posted for it. Can't wait to see what this turns out like for you guys going to get pretty interesting.

 

[DaveD]

Looks as though they are going to move forward with the non resident general elk regions the draft regulations are posted for it. Can't wait to see what this turns out like for you guys going to get pretty interesting.

This might help pressure some in the more popular areas but it will sure stink losing the ability to roam... especially when big fires happen. Being able to move saved my hunt a couple of years ago.

 

[Bookhead]

This might help pressure some in the more popular areas but it will sure stink losing the ability to roam... especially when big fires happen. Being able to move saved my hunt a couple of years ago.

I don't think it's going to help much of anything myself they are giving out as many or more tags as they estimated people were already hunting in every region and I think the western regions are gonna go up in points considerably which is going to hurt the DIY guys while the regions with less public land or smaller bulls on average will get easier to draw is my guess

 

[DaveD]

I don't think it's going to help much of anything myself they are giving out as many or more tags as they estimated people were already hunting in every region and I think the western regions are gonna go up in points considerably which is going to hurt the DIY guys while the regions with less public land or smaller bulls on average will get easier to draw is my guess

You may be right on some points but I am thinking about this a little differently. The vast majority of non-residents want to avoid grizzly areas so I see the eastern general tags going up in points. I also take issue with WG&Fs estimates on number of hunters per area simply because the very limited data they collect isn't sufficient to draw accurate conclusions.

 

[Bookhead]

You may be right on some points but I am thinking about this a little differently. The vast majority of non-residents want to avoid grizzly areas so I see the eastern general tags going up in points. I also take issue with WG&Fs estimates on number of hunters per area simply because the very limited data they collect isn't sufficient to draw accurate conclusions.

Time will tell the tale just figured I'd post this up because I dont have a dog in this fight and the comment period is open on it

 

[BasuraBuck]

Only three general areas seems awfully broad

 

[DaveD]

Time will tell the tale just figured I'd post this up because I dont have a dog in this fight and the comment period is open on it

Oh, I hadn't seen the new proposed regions... That is very different than what I thought they were going to be.

 

[mulecreek]

I don't think it's going to help much of anything myself they are giving out as many or more tags as they estimated people were already hunting in every region and I think the western regions are gonna go up in points considerably which is going to hurt the DIY guys while the regions with less public land or smaller bulls on average will get easier to draw is my guess

Spoke with Brimeyer about why the proposed region numbers are so close to the current estimated numbers for western and southern region given that during the discussion by the TF the reason for changing to regions was resident and Outfitter complaints of too many Gen tag hunters in Greys, Bighorns and SM's. He said that for purposes of the first proposal he wanted to start from a point similar to current and then adjustments could be made after it was implemented. The final region numbers will be determined each year at the season setting meetings similar to how deer regions are held.

 

[Bookhead]

Spoke with Brimeyer about why the proposed region numbers are so close to the current estimated numbers for western and southern region given that during the discussion by the TF the reason for changing to regions was resident and Outfitter complaints of too many Gen tag hunters in Greys, Bighorns and SM's. He said that for purposes of the first proposal he wanted to start from a point similar to current and then adjustments could be made after it was implemented. The final region numbers will be determined each year at the season setting meetings similar to how deer regions are held.

Good info thanks

 

[DaveD]

Spoke with Brimeyer about why the proposed region numbers are so close to the current estimated numbers for western and southern region given that during the discussion by the TF the reason for changing to regions was resident and Outfitter complaints of too many Gen tag hunters in Greys, Bighorns and SM's. He said that for purposes of the first proposal he wanted to start from a point similar to current and then adjustments could be made after it was implemented. The final region numbers will be determined each year at the season setting meetings similar to how deer regions are held.

Appreciate that info. Makes sense to start it and then adjust as needed.

 

[Bookhead]

I don't see any way that this is going to end up benefiting diy nr hunters. They'll spin it to benefit the outfitters

 

[Hunt_the_West]

Solution looking for a problem. If it has to go to regions the initial regions were better than the current proposal.

 

[Wiszard]

Are these regions in effect this year or next? Not possible to do it this year since applications are closed, right?

 

[mulecreek]

Are these regions in effect this year or next? Not possible to do it this year since applications are closed, right?

If the proposal passes then it would go into effect next year. Final region numbers would be determined at the April 2024 season setting Commission meeting.

 

[jm77]

There is nothing broken in the current system.

When the G&F finally figures out how to decimate elk herds, the region tags will be the first to be cut.

 

[WapitiBob]

Just pull the band-aid off and make every hunt area LQ for non residents. You're not managing people nor animals with only 3 regions.

 

[BigJohnson]

There is nothing broken in the current system.

When the G&F finally figures out how to decimate elk herds, the region tags will be the first to be cut.

The only thing broken with the current system is that outfitters don’t like it.

 

[jm77]

The only thing broken with the current system is that outfitters don’t like it.

100%^^^

 

[HikeHunt61]

The vast majority of non-residents want to avoid grizzly areas so I see the eastern general tags going up in points.

Might be wishful thinking there. I suppose a few hunters are so worried about big bad Griz that they apply someplace they'd really rather not hunt- but I don't think it's anywhere near a vast majority.

But heck- if it is true, I've suddenly become a big fan of grizzly expansion!

 

[DaveD]

Might be wishful thinking there. I suppose a few hunters are so worried about big bad Griz that they apply someplace they'd really rather not hunt- but I don't think it's anywhere near a vast majority.

But heck- if it is true, I've suddenly become a big fan of grizzly expansion!

I can't remember where I saw the survey but it was in the neighborhood of 80% of elk hunters that specifically avoided areas that held a grizzly population. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[mulecreek]

Might be wishful thinking there. I suppose a few hunters are so worried about big bad Griz that they apply someplace they'd really rather not hunt- but I don't think it's anywhere near a vast majority.

But heck- if it is true, I've suddenly become a big fan of grizzly expansion!

A person could easily find non-grizzly, gen elk hunting in any one of the three proposed regions.

 

[DaveD]

A person could easily find non-grizzly, gen elk hunting in any one of the three proposed regions.

Agree- those regions give plenty of options.

 

[HikeHunt61]

Honestly am shocked that so many folks are that concerned. But then again, if you haven't been in that country you might be thinking it's a grizzly behind every bush or something.

 

[tracker12]

Honestly am shocked that so many folks are that concerned. But then again, if you haven't been in that country you might be thinking it's a grizzly behind every bush or something.

It's the one grizzly that is behind the bush that worries most.

 

[DoubleDropMuley]

A person could easily find non-grizzly, gen elk hunting in any one of the three proposed regions.

No remember only the east is Grizz Free, my stomping grounds is packed with them as is yours ?

 

[HikeHunt61]

It's the one grizzly that is behind the bush that worries most.

I've never been face to face, but sure have been close. About 20 years ago, was bow hunting elk. The ground was dry, but a quick front came through and started dropping a skiff of snow. I was walking up to a steep canyon, looked around then returned back the way I came. I went 100 yards and there in the snow were grizzly tracks, not 2 min old. They came from a spruce circle (you know those almost teepee looking ones with bare ground in the middle). That grizz just waited for me to walk by and then ambled on behind me. I had no gun at the time, and honestly was pretty nervous- so headed straight to the biggest opening I could find to collect myself!

 

[DaveD]

I think for some it's the fear of getting attacked but for many its all the extra work that goes into a hunt in bear country. It can be a pain.

 

[mulecreek]

No remember only the east is Grizz Free, my stomping grounds is packed with them as is yours ?

You are correct. I must have some sort of suppressed memory or PTSD from the constant maulings.

 

[Bookhead]

I've hunted some places where they were pretty concentrated to certain areas. Not my favorite type of hunting. I like to enjoy the hunt itself not looking over my shoulder the whole time but that's just me guess I'm a wimp. I have been bluff charged before stopped at about 10 yards not my favorite thing to deal with.

 

[mulecreek]

I've hunted some places where they were pretty concentrated to certain areas. Not my favorite type of hunting. I like to enjoy the hunt itself not looking over my shoulder the whole time but that's just me guess I'm a wimp. I have been bluff charged before stopped at about 10 yards not my favorite thing to deal with.

Completely get it. I feel the same way about the old Newberg style of hunting pockets of public surrounded by private or close to the public/private interface. Some folks deal with the issues just fine, like seeing animals that you cant shoot, negative landowner interactions, retrieval if it runs off, sheriffs being called, etc. I would much rather be able to just hunt everything I can see, wander as I see fit and not have to deal with the private land hassles. To each there own.

 

[Bookhead]

Completely get it. I feel the same way about the old Newberg style of hunting pockets of public surrounded by private or close to the public/private interface. Some folks deal with the issues just fine, like seeing animals that you cant shoot, negative landowner interactions, retrieval if it runs off, sheriffs being called, etc. I would much rather be able to just hunt everything I can see, wander as I see fit and not have to deal with the private land hassles. To each there own.

Yes sir I agree with that too I guess people can decide what they feel like dealing with and go hunt. I feel like allot grizzly areas aren't terrible and then there are some areas that are pretty bad. For me allot of it is the type of terrain it is. If it's open enough I can see them from a distance not so bad but heavy timber and knowing you have to share the same trails as them and having bear tracks over your boot tracks constantly isn't allot of fun to me and the stress of dealing with downed game in grizz country amplifies it for me