Pay Up or Shut Up ...

Lv2hnt

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This thread isn't directed at everyone, and I doubt I'm alone in my thinking. With the posting on-line of Arizona's new hunt regs comes expected agitation. Many of you have met me --- I trust my past posts will temper what follows ...

This whole mess brought about by Taulman and his cronies has not been good for ANY of us, resident nor non-resident! Regardless of how legal matters were handled recently by Arizona G&F, our state has worked HARD over the years at maintaining QUALITY hunting in a state with VERY harsh conditions overall (magnified even more greatly with the current DECADE-LONG drought!). No surprise then that USO only applies their clients for Arizona hunt units known for "trophy" animals.

Arizona's human population has exploded, yet there aren't any more animals to hunt than in years past (and WAY less deer and antelope!). Arizona hunters have "bitten the bullet" so we might enjoy the best hunting experience possible --- we've had to live with a lottery drawing system since 1971 (FYI, the ONLY firearm OTC tags available are for mountain lion and Fall bear)!

I can't see how any of you would deny you want residents given preference for hunting in your own home state. It's no different here! Am I against non-residents hunting here in Arizona? N-O! In fact, I've shared camp and gone out of my way assisting several non-residents hunting big game here in our state, even when I've blanked on drawing that same tag (just as I know a lot of you have done in yours!). Just thank God this whole snafu didn't happen in your back yard.

It's common knowledge that Arizona's license/tag fees have been SUBSTANTIALLY below that of neighboring and other western states. It's truly unfortunate that the timing for "catching up" coincides with the USO fiasco. But so be it. It is ONE of the steps many AZ. hunters requested our G&F take to help Az. resident hunting opportunity and off-set USO's warped suit (and I imagine having to fork up tag fees at the time of application is here to stay).

I'm just an average Joe (wishing I was better off financially), and am actively involved in wildlife conservation. I cherish America's hunting heritage and especially embrace our fraternity that loves, and lives, to hunt western big game.

All that being said, let me finally get to my main point: to those of you non-Arizonans who MUST gripe and whine about what's transpired with Arizona's new hunting regulations --- feel free to stay home.

To those of you non-residents who see the big picture here, I'm sorry we're all having to endure this. I hope you pull the Arizona tag you've been itching for.

And a special "good luck" to you parents with young hunters at home (feed that fire in their hearts)...!

Lv2hnt
 
Lv2hnt,
In my opinion, what a awesome post!! I think you hit the nail on the head honest! And yes we all know how angry alot of folks are, and how bad we feel as myself a lifetime AZ resident as to what all has tranpired.But the facts are true and they will not go away as with the issues. This is when I take a deep breath, and say my desire is to hunt, and I will not let that desire go!
You said to the whiners feel free to stay home, to those non-residents who see the big picture.......hope you pull the Arizona tag youve been itching for. Well said, I just wish that so many others would feel this way.
And I want to especially thank you for that last part on your post in regards to Junior hunts.....feed that fire in their hearts!! What a awesome saying, and thought, I really and truly do hope that many will do that, and that we all will try and keep that hunting desire burning in our youth. They are the future, and it will be up to them to keep it alive!!
Thank you!
JstMe
 
Lv2, you Hit the proverbial nail on the head.
I associate the constant whine/dribble, to the slobber that trickles out of the side of mouth from a retard.
Whaaaaa whaaa, slurp slurp, duh.....

I guess I missed the part in my hunters safty class where it stated that hunters are allowed the hunt multiple states for the best trophy game animals & expect to do so cheaply. Try driving the ol' hunting rig to another western state cheaply, unless your rigs is a horse your not going to get very far.

I'm trying to think of what else can you find out there, that is highly sought after, plus the ultimate/top of the line, goods, products, or services, that you can expect to purchase for very little money.
I'd like to eat prime rib & pay the price of hot-dogs. I guess I'll go apply to a Las Vegas casino for that one & remember to leave my quarters in the car.

In summary, yes we have abundant hunting opportunity here out west & you can find affordable resident trophy opportunity for a good variety of game animals very economically. plus you can find out of state bargains for many antlerless game. but if you want the best of the best, as stated above
put up or shut up.
 
Lv2nht, Do you really think that this is going to hurt USO?? To me it looks like Taulman is in a win win situation. And so are alot of Arizona outfitters. With all this talk about Rieds bill, how in the world is this going to put the brakes on USO?? Judges have way more power and influence than senators and congressmen. Hell, the supreme court is the most powerful entity in the USA. I'am confused on this issue where people think that USO will be gut shot on this bill. Please enlighten me. Thanks
 
As a non resident, the higher prices probably will give me a better chance to draw, so I am not crying at all. The folks I feel sorry for are the hunters who may have been from Arizona and moved away for some reason and would like a chance to hunt back "home". Otherwise, there is no such thing as the "regular joe hunter" on a non resident hunt. It would be very hard to go on a decent Western hunt for under $1,200. That just leaves the little guy out, except for a once in a lifetime deal. But that is the way it has always been. Bottom line: I'll gladly pay $3,000 in a couple of years for an early Arizona rifle elk tag. It will be the hunt of a lifetime. I don't think much of USO, but I think they might have won.
 
Well said Lv2hnt. What is confusing to me is the immediate griping this year. The cost for getting an Az tag has not substantially increased this year. The only thing I suppose is that you now have to buy your license up front and pay for the tag upfront. But as I recall it was not that long ago that Az. required that anyway. I totally agree with your post but boy I expect the complainnts will be more hostile next year. The thing that really worries me is the serious problems we hunters face with the anti hunting groups, and the possibility that what is happening because of the USO diaster will cause hunters to fight against each other, when now it is as important as ever that we find reasonable common ground to fight the good fight against the antis together. I hope we as a group do not lose the big picture here.
 
Warren said:
"Bottom line:
I'll gladly pay $3,000
in a couple of years
for an early Arizona rifle
elk tag. It will
be the hunt of a
lifetime."

I am with you bud!
 
Lv2hnt...good post, never had much synpathy for the whiners. As a non-resident just learn to accept and adapt. Make the regs work for you.

from the "Heartland of Wyoming"
 

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