buckhorn
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Yes that’s doe and buck tags combined.Oh my lanta an 96% increase in limited rifle tags in 55. Lawdy thatd be quite the crowd
Where can you see deer apps?It looks like deer apps were relatively flat this year.
Like i said before. Pretty much like trying to predict the weather.54 added 60 buck tags, once you take the 60/40 split it will add 24 tags to the non resident pool across 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons. I still expect 54 2nd to take 5 points to guarantee a NR tag.
Rich
It's all listed on the graphs in the link at the top of this thread. It looks like deer apps and tags are up 1% and elk apps were up 13.5% and tags are down 4.5%.Where can you see deer apps?
I still think creep will be significant, not many units increased buck tags and if they did they were not by a large amount.Hm probably not gonna be as much creep as its hyped up to be then im sure the very high end units will a little bit. That'll be it
Unless I’m reading it wrong it looks like 54 added 90 antlered tags. 385 in 2020 to 475 in 2021.54 added 60 buck tags, once you take the 60/40 split it will add 24 tags to the non resident pool across 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons. I still expect 54 2nd to take 5 points to guarantee a NR tag.
Rich
That's how I read it, 90 tags over 5 different seasons, so that is an average of 18 per season....I would think muzzle, archery and 2nd rifle to get more than 18 with 3rd and 4th less than 18.Unless I’m reading it wrong it looks like 54 added 90 antlered tags. 385 in 2020 to 475 in 2021.
It shows 90 tags for limited rifle.It shows muzzleloader and archery separate.That's how I read it, 90 tags over 5 different seasons, so that is an average of 18 per season....I would think muzzle, archery and 2nd rifle to get more than 18 with 3rd and 4th less than 18.
Yes that is the way I read it alsoIt shows 90 tags for limited rifle.It shows muzzleloader and archery separate.
cant be that significant with a pretty much no increase in apps. Yea the top tier units i think will jump some not much anywhere else. My opinionI still think creep will be significant, not many units increased buck tags and if they did they were not by a large amount.
What seems crazy is the very large increase in doe tags in many units, including the Gunnison and northwest. They are saying those units are over objective and they are going to start whacking does!
Copy that.I read it as 90 tags for 54 rifle.
Number of apps doesn’t create point creep. It’s what units those applications are used for. I put in one application last year with 18 points and didn’t draw. I put in one application this year with 19 points in a unit that needed 13 points. That’s how point creep happens.cant be that significant with a pretty much no increase in apps. Yea the top tier units i think will jump some not much anywhere else. My opinion
Uhh yea more apps does create point creep. If you're the only one. Or one of just a few that applied with 19 points you created hardly any creep if 100 guys with 13 points applied thats allot more creepNumber of apps doesn’t create point creep. It’s what units those applications are used for. I put in one application last year with 18 points and didn’t draw. I put in one application this year with 19 points in a unit that needed 13 points. That’s how point creep happens.
My fear is that a lot of the guys that have been buying deer points only will decide to jump into the draw for a tag this year.cant be that significant with a pretty much no increase in apps. Yea the top tier units i think will jump some not much anywhere else. My opinion
Could be and prob will for a few units. But thats just my opinionMy fear is that a lot of the guys that have been buying deer points only will decide to jump into the draw for a tag this year.
If so that would cause a rise in point creep. It could be fairly substantial depending on how many try to draw out this year.
Everyone has to apply every year to get their points or draw a tag. If 20,000 extra people that never applied before applied this year they would be at the bottom of the pile.They wouldn’t creat point creep.Uhh yea more apps does create point creep. If you're the only one. Or one of just a few that applied with 19 points you created hardly any creep if 100 guys with 13 points applied thats allot more creep
Man I do hope you’re right!!!Could be and prob will for a few units. But thats just my opinion
If you apply for points or tag aren’t they both counted as applications. I put in for a tag for mule deer and put in for just a point for elk. The preference point designation for elk was still an application I think.I dont think the are very many guys that have just been holding points and not applying but again just my opinion
I dont think the are very many guys that have just been holding points and not applying but again just my opinion
On the CPW website under big game hunting statistics click on the drawing recap reports and you can see it all right there.If you could tell how many people chose just points from year to year that would make a difference.
I believe this to be correct, buying a point or putting in for an actual tag count as an application. I'm not sure if it means anything at all but I was just surprised to see only a 1% increase in deer applications while elk saw a 13.5% jump? I mean nobody was talking CO elk this year, all the hype was on deer.If you apply for points or tag aren’t they both counted as applications. I put in for a tag for mule deer and put in for just a point for elk. The preference point designation for elk was still an application I think.
The rise in elk applications may be because now we have to buy the small game license in order to apply and a lot of folks are probably just picking up an elk point also.I believe this to be correct, buying a point or putting in for an actual tag count as an application. I'm not sure if it means anything at all but I was just surprised to see only a 1% increase in deer applications while elk saw a 13.5% jump? I mean nobody was talking CO elk this year, all the hype was on deer.
Buckhorn I see where you got your numbers. If you look at it 23,083 people applied with 0 points. 6420 drew tags. That leaves 16,663 with one point. At the bottom of the statistic page it shows how many of the 23,083 applied for points only. You don’t add them together.Man I do hope you’re right!!!
Here’s a horrifying statistic I dug up.
Please correct me if I’m making a mistake somewhere.
Last year in 2020 deer draw there were 21,838 non-resident 0 point applicants that applied for a tag and didn’t draw. They all now have one point each.
There were 11,742 non-residents with 0 points that applied for a preference point only and they all now also have one point.
So if my math is correct there are now 33,595 non-residents with 1 deer point that could be applying in the 2021 draw!
That’s adult and youth non-residents and doesn’t include private land applicants.
Who knows how many of them will just buy points or apply for tags?
The reason I used 1 point as an example is because I am one of those 33,595 non res with just 1
deer point this year.
The leftover reissue system enabled many folks to do just that (me, guilty) for many years. With that now changed, I'm bringing a decade worth of points to the table for a unit less than half that.I dont think the are very many guys that have just been holding points and not applying but again just my opinion
Too manyHow many additional unit 66 tags do you think will be added?
Yes I think you do add them together. The top page is for all the ones that applied for Hunt. The last page is separate people that applied for points only.Buckhorn I see where you got your numbers. If you look at it 23,083 people applied with 0 points. 6420 drew tags. That leaves 16,663 with one point. At the bottom of the statistic page it shows how many of the 23,083 applied for points only. You don’t add them together.
Yes I think you do add them together. The top page is for all the ones that applied for Hunt. The last page is separate people that applied for points only.
The combine number is the total applicants that now have one point.
Don’t forget to add the youth applicants in there also.
I believe there are a lot of people out there who’ve been buying points for years because it was cheap. I bought points for both my boys and my wife used to buy points. I’m not sure if any of the 3 of them will ever use the deer points.Nice charts thanks for posting that.
It looks like other than the zero point category the preference points only group isn’t too far behind the hunt applications group.
It’s amazing the true reality of the situation when you start digging into it.
Makes me wonder why so many folks would be just buying points instead of wanting to go hunting?
I hope your right!I believe there are a lot of people out there who’ve been buying points for years because it was cheap. I bought points for both my boys and my wife used to buy points. I’m not sure if any of the 3 of them will ever use the deer points.
In addition to folks like my wife and kids who I bought points for who may never have much interest in hunting Colorado deer even though I’d pay for the trip and know where to go, there are a bunch of people who’ve been buying points for years who have no idea where to go, or even the time, money or real desire.
The Huntin’ Fools, Epic, and others of the world have been driving it home over and over for people to buy points for everything, everywhere. Many have done that, but even with a boatload of points, if a person doesn’t have the gear, know how, time, money or desire to actually draw a tag and go, they’ll never burn the points.
Obviously not everyone is like that, but I believe there’s a good chunk of point holders like that.
Buying points each year in the past has been cheap and easy, but actually going hunting is expensive, takes lots of time, gear, effort and it can be intimidating if you’re not experienced in an area.
Just my thoughts on some of the folks who sit on lots of points. Even with the seasons late, many of them will still just buy a point. We’ll have to see numbers after the draw.
You forgot WyomingThe waiting part is what kills me.
It’s like my life,liberty and pursuit of happiness hangs on the draw results!
And so far I’ve only applied in Utah and Colorado.
I still have Nevada, Arizona and Idaho and I’m already a wreck!
I used to hunt a place in region H and did pretty good years ago. I stopped hunting there when Wyoming started the point system. I bet it still has some good bucks in there!Buckhorn, I feel your pain, ha ha I have applied in Utah, Colorado, Nevada and waiting for the results of these states before I Apply for Wyoming. Have 12 pts for deer there and have no idea what to do with them. If I draw any of the other states i will apply for a bonus point only for wyoming.
Sure would be nice to get this info before the draw deadline.There is a big reduction in deer antlered licenses for the NW units 3,4,5,301, etc. from 3842 to 2891, but an increase in the PLO and antlerless tags. This has me worried about drawing a NR tag this year. We have plans made as we were confident drawing with 1 PP. Could be a problem.
Sure would be nice to get this info before the draw deadline.
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