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kidneystone
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Does the B & C club allow entries if the hunter admits scouting with a plane?
HunterHarry
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Scouting from aircraft is HUGE in Alaska!
I think it is the main reason the Dall sheep hunting is in decline up there.
The use of planes and GPS's are responsible for a lot of "trophies" up there.
Even though there is a "No same day law" in effect,there is definatley an advantage in the "hunters" favor!
I think it is the main reason the Dall sheep hunting is in decline up there.
The use of planes and GPS's are responsible for a lot of "trophies" up there.
Even though there is a "No same day law" in effect,there is definatley an advantage in the "hunters" favor!
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Hawkk33
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Don't you think that B&C as well as the P&Y record books are partyly to blame in the growing problem of unethical hunters, and unethical hunting?. It seems that alot of people are just after the trophy sized animals rather than hunting for subsistence and do it BAMN style ( by any means necessary).
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Joemama
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I believe that it is dependent upon the laws of were the animal was harvested.
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Ramchaser
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I guess the first question is, what is a clear definition of scouting from an aircraft? Is it acceptable to have an external or internal persons scout from an aircraft prior to a hunt? And if so what time frame is acceptable? Should the use of aircraft be permitted at all? Flying in hunters and equipment into and out of remote lakes and airstrips that have high concentrations of game (therefore higher success rates than average) seems more an advantage to individuals that can vs individuals that can't? What about incidental observations while flying or driving to a hunting locations? Would it be ethical to hunt sheep that were spotted on flight to a remote lake if you spotted a herd, say 20 miles away and a 12 hours hike from the lake you landed in? or if you watched a herd of elk cross in your headlights? Would it be ethical to pursue them at legal hunt light? Where do you draw the line with advantages? Or for that matter any devise that increases a hunter?s ability to have the edge over another hunter or animal. The whole market of the hunting industry is geared continuously to trying to create the edge for hunters, is this wrong? Hunting technologies in general has come along way in the last century all mostly to aid in hunter success.
If everyone does not have equal opportunity, should we ostracize these individuals from participating within the guidelines of fairchase? Maybe there should be a standard equipment list for individuals that wish to compete on even ground? This brings the question of are auctioned hunts, lottery hunts, guide and outfitted hunts, private land hunts, fly-in hunts etc? fall within acceptable guidelines as well? How low should the common denominator be? A lion cloth and a stick in a general open season?
I think a lot of the confusion with aircraft comes from the discrepancies in the legislation between all the different states, provinces, and territories are creating problems. For instants in the Northwest Territories your permitted to use helicopters to transport hunters and game. I feel strongly that spotting and harvesting animals in a short period of time, or using radios to direct hunters to game from an aircraft (or for that matter the ground) is an unacceptable practice and the laws in most places reflect this common attitude. But to discriminate against those hunter because they use different advantages, be it; scopes, range finders, horses, atv?s, aircraft, etc?in a legal manner, that are not available equally, is unfair also.
There are unscrupulous individuals in any group of people, and if these individuals are bending the rules they should be penalized for their actions! I don't believe that taking a socialist approach toward hunting would have a positive outcome, if it falls within the law, lets let the hunters make the choice?
Still the underlying question is; where do you draw the line on hunting aides and advantages? And what constitutes fair? Are hunting strategies evolving faster, or the rules need updating? Maybe it is time that the B&C, FNAWS, or other fraternities create more bureaucracy, step in and standardize aides and advantages for there requirement??..LOL
Cheers, Ramchaser
If everyone does not have equal opportunity, should we ostracize these individuals from participating within the guidelines of fairchase? Maybe there should be a standard equipment list for individuals that wish to compete on even ground? This brings the question of are auctioned hunts, lottery hunts, guide and outfitted hunts, private land hunts, fly-in hunts etc? fall within acceptable guidelines as well? How low should the common denominator be? A lion cloth and a stick in a general open season?
I think a lot of the confusion with aircraft comes from the discrepancies in the legislation between all the different states, provinces, and territories are creating problems. For instants in the Northwest Territories your permitted to use helicopters to transport hunters and game. I feel strongly that spotting and harvesting animals in a short period of time, or using radios to direct hunters to game from an aircraft (or for that matter the ground) is an unacceptable practice and the laws in most places reflect this common attitude. But to discriminate against those hunter because they use different advantages, be it; scopes, range finders, horses, atv?s, aircraft, etc?in a legal manner, that are not available equally, is unfair also.
There are unscrupulous individuals in any group of people, and if these individuals are bending the rules they should be penalized for their actions! I don't believe that taking a socialist approach toward hunting would have a positive outcome, if it falls within the law, lets let the hunters make the choice?
Still the underlying question is; where do you draw the line on hunting aides and advantages? And what constitutes fair? Are hunting strategies evolving faster, or the rules need updating? Maybe it is time that the B&C, FNAWS, or other fraternities create more bureaucracy, step in and standardize aides and advantages for there requirement??..LOL
Cheers, Ramchaser
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OSOK
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I totally agree w/ that view point for sure.
AZBuckSnort
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Here's a thought...why not eliminate the hunter's name from the record books and just list the trophy measurement, date and location of kill. The record keeping organizations claim the "book" is for the recognition of the animal so drop the hunters' names and I bet at least some of the pressure on the trophies would drop as well.
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Hawkk33
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schmalts- I don't get your reasoning process there, how is using a aerial photo to gain an insight into an area you will hunt in the future the same as flying for the sole purpose of locating a lone animal or herd, then landing said plane, driving to the area you spotted the animal or herd at, then killing or trying to kill? Last aerial photo I looked at didn't have animals on it nor was it taken from 200-300 feet off the ground so that arugment doesn't hold water.
