Smarten up, all is not what it seems.
Right, because Cyrus Western wasn't on the phone with the right people for the last few weeks...
Uggh. Stupid ideas that make the system
Disagree...and so do lots of others.
F**K bonus points
So cubing the upper tier BP levels and adding the multiplier significantly changes BP values for those individuals. A person with 25 BP's would increase the number of times his name is in the hat by a factor of 55 over a standard squared BP system! Therefore making this a lot more like a PP system than the original SF88 Bill. A bit of a hybrid of the two systems. Is that the idea? Assume the 5 year sunset is to burn through the top level BP holders as quick as possible and then it just defaults back to the worthless BP system. Making this idea a lot more palatable to the high point holders?
Watch and learn....you're out of your league.
Did you ever fire up your GoFundMe or still just bumping your gums??
Do you even hunt?He didn't ask
That is absolutely crazy. Those 18 point holders have a beef!
So, essentially never...what I figured.
Luck or road kill?
When you post a pic to prove someone wrong online it shows you really care about their opinion. I hope BuzzH gives you the recognition you seek from him. ?
Well **** I guess I should have read one more post down @roadrunner. #noragrets
You haven’t been around much then….
Yeah, that clown trying to tell me about hunting whitetails is akin to me telling him about flat brims...
Maybe it would be best to table it and look into it closer in the interim...
Maybe it would be best if it was just dropped entirely and for Wyo residents to accept that no matter how it gets mathed the overwhelming majority of them are never going to hunt sheep or moose in Wyo.
Current system, 50-50 random/preference....done.
I could sleep at night with that plan. SF88 seems to be sailing through on voting, do you think it will make it to the end?
Don't know for sure...but regardless with the delayed implementation date it gives time for folks to:
Good thing we have no influence....
I hope we can get the system changed in the future. It sucks the way it is now, but it got way too messy. I have a feeling those with high points got extremely vocal while a lot of lower end guys sat out. I know many guys who had no idea it was even a bill and even more that had no idea how the system even works.
Hey buzz think we could get it to 30/70. 30% for the top point holder and 70 for all the rest without any stupid multipliers etc.?
That's what we want.
Curious if there was any discussion on a lawsuit, even on just the resident side? Really just curious.
Not that I heard. Lawyer on the task force last summer said what we all know, a lawsuit is a non starter...a joke.
So then let the new hunters have 50% chance of getting a tag I’ve already got a ram and working on a 3rd moose tag with the preference system, and to be honest I don’t care one way or the other if I draw again but I’ll still try, rather see my wife or kid draw. All point systems are flawed in one way or the other, so either play or sit out the choice is all yours!!
I hear you, but how do you tell a resident that has waited 20 years under one set of rules and was going to draw soon that their 40K valued sheep hunt now will never happen. Someone with way less points will take their tag, is that okay? Seems like preference is a bit more fair in my mind, it goes to the old who waited. It might actually give those 12-year olds starting out a better chance of drawing vs. bonus squared. Just outlive everyone and apply every year.
You're full of chit.
Who will draw the tags then? Someone has to draw. I really think everyone needs to think if they would prefer the people in the system longest to draw or have it be basically random. That is a tough decision, but one that should be debated. I will try and run some models, but I think if you are 12 years old and in it for the long haul, you would have a much better chance to hunt sheep in a preference point system then bonus or bonus squared if you stick with it. Sure it will take 40-50 years, but you will only be 52 to 62 years old and all the older guys like us will be dead.
None that I know of. Cyrus Western just put some thought into how harmful this bill would be to long term applicants, how much draw odds would have tanked, and how ridiculous squared bonus points are.
The current PP/random system puts 25% of the area tags into a random draw. With that, every applicant has a chance and a better one than any other state, to draw a sheep tag. 50/50 would double that random chance for those that can't draw in the PP draw.
First, don't tell me I hate anyone. You don't know me or have a clue what I think about Sebastian.
Show me the math. I really don't think this is correct. I think a youth at 12 years old who will live in Wyoming their whole life has a much better chance of getting a sheep tag (definitely think it is correct for moose) with more preference point tags. Sure it is going to take decades, but if they stick with it and the older hunters die off, I think they draw when they can still get around in their 50s or 60s. I think their odds will be better to ever hunt sheep than in a straight bonus or bonus squared system where their odds are going to be less than 5% to ever get a sheep tag because the new residents moving in will just crush their odds. Should the new residents moving in to Wyoming in 2043 have the same odds as the youth who have applied for 20 years?
I have but those days are behind us.
That's bullchit...you and madam zoltar can't predict the future or who applies where with what points.
Really? Those are mighty bold words coming from the missing link. Must have graduated your finger painting class and got some real confidence.
That was a good one buzz, madam zoltar.
No we wouldn't keep your dumb ideas in Colorado.
That's not a terrible idea as long as you would have to apply to keep your points until you draw
That would be a good addition…
Depends on too many variables to predict...
Not going to happen, you have to come up with something realistic.
Unfortunately there is no such thing. Ask @Bookhead If you leave out the word fair, your statement might fly.
Agree 100% if they want to do bonus points for d/e/a for residents they have my full support
Blah, blah, blah...you have no idea what you're talking about.
Don't count me in this group!!! If applicants stayed the same, which they won't as you stated, then on average you would draw in your 54th year applying. I bet that number would be 1 in 100 or even 1 in 200, but no one knows because you don't know how many tags will be available. There just are not enough sheep tags currently for all residents to hunt sheep in their lifetimes. I think a 14- year old that applies in Unit 5 for 54 years with 75% of the tags given to preference will have 100% odds by then versus 50% odds in the random (which is the extreme best case). Buzz's 50/50 model is the most fair I would say, but it does not encourage building points in the short-term, think $150 non-resident points. The Utah model is probably the best with respect to fairness as well as continuing to get non-res to buy points.
Urge 2 Hunt
We focus on trophy elk, mule deer, antelope and moose hunts and take B&C bucks most years.
