Hey feduptwo - I think I can help you with this comment:
"I wish Robert Fanning and some of the guys fighting this battle for years would weigh in on the Tester Bill."
Are you not on Robert's email list? I thought everyone was on that list.
Here is the one from last month that got all the rumors started about SFW/BGF working behind the scenes to kill the Simpson bill. Thought I would provide it to you, in case you missed it.
Everyone knows what opinion Ryan Benson has on the Simpson language. He is pretty outspoken on such in the email Robert forwarded to everyone. Robert agrees with him and is helping carry the water on it, as this email shows.
Not that everyone on the email list agrees with him, or with Ryan, but we are all entitled to our opinions. And, what they have provided, like what the rest of us have provded, are just that - OPINIONS.
The question that started all of this was whether or not SFW/ BGF was working behind the scenes to lay the pipe to MT and ID hunters. Wanted to sort that out as fact or rumor.
Not that we needed this email to verify it, as we pretty much knew that after the press release on Friday and the Hageman email that same day, along with the releases from BGF yesterday. Nice when the evidence is provided to clarify the answer to the original question.
My question all along was not which bill is better or worse, but who is coming clean on what they were doing behind the scenes. Now that we all know what SFW/BGF is doing, no need to drag this on much further.
No sense trying to convince each other of which bill is better or worse. I think they are all a good start on this long process. The SFW/BGF crowd feels otherwise. Fine, a difference of opinion.
I like S.249 in addition to the Simpson language, but being more pragmatic, I am not hanging my hat on S.249. Odds of it passing are just way too slim, in fact, close to ZERO.
And, having no economic stake in seeing wolf poker continue, the risks of S.249 and its very unlikely odds of passing are all downsides for us MT guys. I understand why some from UT and other states are willing to take that risk, when they and are not the ones fronting the bet.
And if these gamblers lose the bet, they get to keep fighting and raising money. Understandable why they take the approach they do and want to kill everything else. Business is business, and make no mistake, for some in this wolf issue, the wolf fight is a business.
You guys let me know what more I can do to help with S.249. I support that one too. I have already informed my Congressional delegation that I support S.249.
In the mean time, I will continue emailing my Congressional delegation and tell them that the Simpson langauge is a good start on a really messed up issue.
The same as I have emailed them to tell them that the settlement offer from the wolf lovers is a "No Go." If they drop legislative efforts in exchange for a settlement from the wolf lovers, things will get real ugly, real quick. I don't expect that to happen. But if it does, I will focus my energy on getting those folks "unelected."
Thanks for the good debate and for bringing forth information that confirms the suspicions some had.
Here is Robert's email address. I am sure if you send one to him, you will get put on his list. He is weighing in on lots of things.
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From: Robert Fanning [mailto:
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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:53 AM
To: SCOTT ROCKHOLM; Barry Coe; JoelBoniek Rep.; Christian LeFer; danvermillion; Doctor Mealer; Magnus Hagelstam; Kaarlo Nygr?n; Bill Hoppe;
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Subject: BETRAYAL !!! Yesterday's development in wolf delisting Wolf language in CR is wrong approach
Yesterday?s development in wolf delisting:
Some of you may of heard that wolf delisting language was included in the House C.R. to keep the government funded. Unfortunately, the language in the C.R. is not the good development it appears to be. See Rehberg press release below.
Unfortunately the language that is included is the administration?s language that is being pushed by Tester and Baucus. The language leaves most of the country squarely in the cross hairs of unmanaged wolves?. It leaves the door open to relisting in Idaho and Montana. Does nothing to stop the wave of spreading destruction anywhere else. Doesn?t delist most wolf states. Does nothing to restore state management. Doesn?t end the endless cycle of wasteful litigation. Keeps the spigot of EAJA funding for enviro litigants alive diverting millions of dollars from our children?s and grandchildren?s future into lawyers and environmental endowment funds. For all these reasons, the C.R. Approach could never be ?The American Big Game and Livestock Protection Act? as H.R. 509 and S. 249 are so appropriately named.
Dan Ashe convinced Simpson from Idaho to break ranks with the 48 Senators and Congressmen that are working on the right solution. 2 Senators recognize the need for a fix, but are pushing a watered down non-solution that has no support. Why are we such a nation of ambulance chasers sometimes? Why are some officials afraid of obvious solutions to stop the hemorrhaging once and for all? This is a $100 Million a year problem that is only getting worse, bigger, deeper and more widespread.
Last year a very similar approach was used by the anti-wolf management folks. They make it appear to be a compromise, but ultimately they divide the ranks and then kill the watered down solution as well. The folks who are pushing this want no wolf management, not even under the watered down scenario.
We all need to call Simpson today and tell him he is falling for politics of divide and conquer. Tell him you do not support the CR that the ONLY solution is H.R. 509.
DC office 202-225-5531
Boise office 208-334-1953
Email: simpson.house.gov
Ryan Benson, {Doctor of Juris Prudence. , Harvard University}
February 14, 2011
CONTACT: Jed Link, 202-225-3211
Rehberg Statement on Inclusion of Wolf Language in House Continuing Resolution
WASHINGTON, D.C. ? Montana?s Congressman, Denny Rehberg, today released the following statement regarding the inclusion of wolf language in the Continuing Resolution for Fiscal Year 2011. Rehberg has sponsored more comprehensive legislation to fully delist the Gray Wolf from the Endangered Species Act ? an approach that enjoys broad support between parties and across the country.
?The language that was added to the Continuing Resolution may provide a temporary and limited solution for parts of some Western states and Montana, but it does not change the need for a comprehensive, science-based bill to end the misuse of the Endangered Species Act with respect to wolves once and for all. My legislation removes the federal government from the equation entirely and allows management to be conducted by the states, where the stakeholders are. The language in the CR doesn't prevent the Fish and Wildlife Service from relisting wolves in the Northern Rockies at a later date, so there's definitely room for improvement. We?ve been back and forth on this issue too many times to surrender it to unelected bureaucrats and activist judges.?
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----- Original Message -----
From:
[email protected]
To: Robert Fanning
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: "house of wolf cards is imploding quickly"
Bob,
Unfortunately this is Tester and Baucus's language that leaves most of the country squarely in the enviros cross hairs. Salazar convinced Simpson from Idaho to break ranks. Probably leaves the door open to relisting in idaho and montana as well. Why are we such a nation of ambulance chasers sometimes, when our elected officials are afraid of obvious solutions to stop the hemoraging once and for all? We all need to call Simpson today and tell him he is falling for politics of divide and conquer.
Ryan
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
Hey ABE - I have no idea how the strippers and ladies of the night up here in Reno are doing. Wait, how did you get off subject anyway? A diversionary tactic perhaps? We're talking about wolves here, not women nor their occupations. At any rate, if Nevada needs to deal with a wolf problem, we'll do it but we won't throw other states under the bus to move forward with and establish a state-approved wolf management plan.
