This is BS
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southslope82
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Hell yeah that is BS if thats the way it is?? Why is it that way??
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Lets adress this again.
I hope they leave it alone. No other resident can buy up points so we are all even. Lots cheaper too. If anything, the NR is getting ripped off. They will never get enough points to draw but one or two hunts anyway.
I hope they leave it alone. No other resident can buy up points so we are all even. Lots cheaper too. If anything, the NR is getting ripped off. They will never get enough points to draw but one or two hunts anyway.
one_dryboot
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I Dont really care. it doesnt effect my chances so im ok
txhunter58
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Be careful what you wish for, because as a nonresident I would trade you in a heartbeat.
If you were able to apply for all animals/hunts, the odds for the hunt that you have been building points for would drop. Think about it, many more applications for each species would LOWER YOUR ODDS.
Still think it is BS?
It is simply a way to get more money out of us Non Residents without giving us any more tags.
Do you want your odds lower than they are now?
txhunter58
venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
If you were able to apply for all animals/hunts, the odds for the hunt that you have been building points for would drop. Think about it, many more applications for each species would LOWER YOUR ODDS.
Still think it is BS?
It is simply a way to get more money out of us Non Residents without giving us any more tags.
Do you want your odds lower than they are now?
txhunter58
venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
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I was at the wildlife board meeting when they passed this. The wildlife board felt like since they make the NR buy a hunting license just to apply, they ought to be able to buy points for more than just 2 species. That was the reasoning for why they did it. Won't affect resident odds, and should make non-resident odds even worse than they already are.
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I hope they never allow residents to apply for more than one species. Why would you want it that way? It would decrease odds for everyone across the board. Not a good move. Sorry to you NR hunters. I am not sure I would take the bait. Good luck to you all in the draws!
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Let's leave well-enough alone on this one.
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UTARDS...........ha ha ha, whine about DWR messing up things?
WTF?....
drive around a LE, OIL area and see what you resi folks are putting in the back trucks."DINKS"!!! (THRERE ARE EXCEPTION HERE ALSO!1:10 maybe)
its apauling!!!
How long for a resi to draw any weapon for the Pauns?
I eaten that tag once and took a small 4pt as a non-resi last time as a hunter...no more!
I want what ever I can get to help me draw again, just wish I can do all species for last 7 years!
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WTF?....
drive around a LE, OIL area and see what you resi folks are putting in the back trucks."DINKS"!!! (THRERE ARE EXCEPTION HERE ALSO!1:10 maybe)
its apauling!!!
How long for a resi to draw any weapon for the Pauns?
I eaten that tag once and took a small 4pt as a non-resi last time as a hunter...no more!
I want what ever I can get to help me draw again, just wish I can do all species for last 7 years!
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southslope82
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In some situations yes it does still irritate me for instance book cliff deer any weapon takes a resident 8-12 years for a non resident it takes an average of 10 really not that much different then lets say once the resident and non resident have drawn those permits they decide to go with south slope diamond mountain late rifle hunt takes a resident 8-13 years to draw a non resident only takes 7 years to draw and in the mean time the non resident has been building points the entire time after that he is on his way to hunting antelope or what ever before the the resident and over time this really can add up cause once he is drawn his waiting periods have passed by and he is once again up to the plate for deer, elk, and the process goes again. This is not the case I know for every situation but I just used these units cause they are units that are close to home and could possibly be one of my future hunts.
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Southslope,
Keep in mind that there are only a limited number of tags for NR; So even if they are building points for all species, they are still competing for the same limited number of tags. If every NR takes "advantage" of buying points for every species, their odds wont increase. Just costs them more money to "keep pace". -- Fundraising -- Plain and simple
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"Yeah, I'll shoot him"
Keep in mind that there are only a limited number of tags for NR; So even if they are building points for all species, they are still competing for the same limited number of tags. If every NR takes "advantage" of buying points for every species, their odds wont increase. Just costs them more money to "keep pace". -- Fundraising -- Plain and simple
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"Yeah, I'll shoot him"
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I wish the price of licenses was the same for resident and non-residents Then the residents would really have some b!tching to do.
Ask your F&G dept if you pay NR license fees if you can put in for more species bonus points they are greedy enough they just might go for it. Hunting is coming a Pay to Play sport, Get in front of the game or be left behind.
"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
Ask your F&G dept if you pay NR license fees if you can put in for more species bonus points they are greedy enough they just might go for it. Hunting is coming a Pay to Play sport, Get in front of the game or be left behind.
"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
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It's the Utah economic stimulus package. You can thank you NR for all the money later.
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HillbillyNnevada
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As a nonresident, I wish they had not changed it. Utah is trying to steal a page out of the Nevada DOW and Arizona G&F playbooks. Before we know it the license will be $140-$151 also. Oh well, I guess I gotta pay to play!
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I might like it, if I go out of state for law school I'll have 3 more points for everything when I get back. Then I'm that much closer to drawing.
The main point is the principal, that the residents are getting screwed, even if certin tags are harder to draw now for NR. Plus if you have 10 applicatinos in for Utah instead of 2 then all in all your odds are better to draw something, simple math! As southslope mentioned above the point building game is how to draw tags sooner or later, now NRs get that much further ahead in the point system. If the stupid DWR would allow us to apply for what ever we want, and make us fork out the tag cost, just think how much more money they would make(intrest) and how many weekend hunters it would get rid of making our odds way better. Half the people I know would not apply if they had to come up with the money to do so. This gives the guy who wants to go on thoes hunts a better chance to do so, if you realy want to hunt you will come up with the money, if you dont then you can stay home or buy your anual crap genral tag. I bet your chance to draw would doubble on most hunts.
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huntinfoo
Res and Non Res are not competing for the same tags. If there are not at least 10 permits for a hunt there are no non res hunts. You are correct, they can apply for more hunts. This doesn't mean that the odds for each hunt applied for will be better. The way I see it.
Res and Non Res are not competing for the same tags. If there are not at least 10 permits for a hunt there are no non res hunts. You are correct, they can apply for more hunts. This doesn't mean that the odds for each hunt applied for will be better. The way I see it.
southslope82
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Yeah Sounds to me like the thing to do is to move out of state for a while apply for everything keep my points move back into state and draw 3-4 tags which other wise would of taken me 3 life times.
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What happens if a non-resident becomes a resident. Will he or she get to keep the additional points accumulated as a non-resident under the new system? If so, I think I will move back to Utah in about ten years and cash in.
Huntinfoo if you want someone to agree with you on the principal of non-res getting to build points for everything and res not, O.K I agree why not let residents do the same. But as stated above you should be happy that they don't allow residents to get points for all species. What good is 10 applications if the random draw odds are impossible and the max point tags that they give out takes twice as many points to draw? Another short-sighted resident above agreed with you saying that if a certain deer tag took 7 years to draw than once the non-res drew that tag they would be on thier way to an antelope tag or whatever. But with 29,567 people with elk points and 15,737 people with deer points and by my count 55 non-res tags for the top 10 antelope hunts (according to the Huninfool) and it taking from 5-9 years to guarantee a tag, 7 points from here on out will not even get you close.
I think if you really thought about it and did the "simple math" that you were talking about you would be glad the resident points are still the same.
I think if you really thought about it and did the "simple math" that you were talking about you would be glad the resident points are still the same.
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Colorado > Utah...that is all.
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Residents that think this change will affect their draw odds do not understand the system. The change does not affect resident draw odds.
As a non-resident now I have to make the decision if I want to start building points for other species...just to try and keep up (and still be behind those that have been applying for that species for much longer). More money for me and tougher odds (most likely).
I have no idea what happens when you build points as a non-res and then become a res. My guess is they transfer. If you move for no other reason than to have better odds of drawing a tag. Good for you and your dedication.
I have been applying as a non-res in several states. Maybe when I retire I will just move every two or three years...that sounds like fun.
As a non-resident now I have to make the decision if I want to start building points for other species...just to try and keep up (and still be behind those that have been applying for that species for much longer). More money for me and tougher odds (most likely).
I have no idea what happens when you build points as a non-res and then become a res. My guess is they transfer. If you move for no other reason than to have better odds of drawing a tag. Good for you and your dedication.
I have been applying as a non-res in several states. Maybe when I retire I will just move every two or three years...that sounds like fun.
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Did this recently change? I was applying for Utah awhile back and i could only apply for one species.
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Guys,
I can see it from all view points.
I feel more sorry for the NON res in the fact the DWR is sucking them dry..$$$$$
It wont change much, they will all be waiting for ever to draw(20-30 years) an elk, deer, and maybe one antelope.
Look at it this way, what will it cost in the long run??
For example--I have 8 elk points in NV. (Im a Utah res)
It will take me 20 more years to draw a tag. I spend over $200 per year applying for bonus points in NV. NOW, do the math,, at todays prices, I will have spent over $4,000 trying to get that bull tag in NV. ANd you know that in 10+ years that the price to apply for licenses and bonus points will not be the same price as today!!!!!!
Basically...everyone is paying for that trophy limited entry tag. Applying for bonus points is like having a savings account. You just add a little money to it every year. If your not lucky, and it takes 20 years to draw that trophy tag of a lifetime, YOU will have paid for that animal$$$$$
It's all BS no matter how you look at it. Hunting is NOW a privilege, not a right. And the RICH man gets all the tags and trophy hunting they want...sucks bad!!!
Snowman
Guys,
I can see it from all view points.
I feel more sorry for the NON res in the fact the DWR is sucking them dry..$$$$$
It wont change much, they will all be waiting for ever to draw(20-30 years) an elk, deer, and maybe one antelope.
Look at it this way, what will it cost in the long run??
For example--I have 8 elk points in NV. (Im a Utah res)
It will take me 20 more years to draw a tag. I spend over $200 per year applying for bonus points in NV. NOW, do the math,, at todays prices, I will have spent over $4,000 trying to get that bull tag in NV. ANd you know that in 10+ years that the price to apply for licenses and bonus points will not be the same price as today!!!!!!
Basically...everyone is paying for that trophy limited entry tag. Applying for bonus points is like having a savings account. You just add a little money to it every year. If your not lucky, and it takes 20 years to draw that trophy tag of a lifetime, YOU will have paid for that animal$$$$$
It's all BS no matter how you look at it. Hunting is NOW a privilege, not a right. And the RICH man gets all the tags and trophy hunting they want...sucks bad!!!
Snowman
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UT=greater than anywhere else, why?? cause it takes f'in 15 years to get any sort of a tag. Rez you think CO is better hahahahahaha deer, yes, but you dont hold a prayer to our elk quality and thats fact. with quality comes strict management NOT opportunity. Get used too it or go to CO and buy and otc tag.
Course in a couple years the quality is gonna suck and then everyone is gonna be askin wtf happened?? all the big money cons tags are gonna be worth dik nothing. UT will be just another story for the past. Just another DNR F up to add to a LONG LONG list.
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Course in a couple years the quality is gonna suck and then everyone is gonna be askin wtf happened?? all the big money cons tags are gonna be worth dik nothing. UT will be just another story for the past. Just another DNR F up to add to a LONG LONG list.
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