Toprut statistics update??

[txhunter58]

Toprut still hasn’t updated their statistics for 2023?? Anyone hear anything?

 

[diablo]

Haven’t heard anything. Epic has their odds up for CO. PM me which units you want info on.

 

[Joe2Kool]

I noticed that yesterday for CO, and submitted a question. Response was "...have reached out to the hunt team...will let you know when I hear back from them, likely Monday."

Here's a link to CO, on teh CPW website.

Colorado Parks and Wildlife

Colorado Parks and Wildlife is a nationally recognized leader in conservation, outdoor recreation and wildlife management. The agency manages 42 state parks, all of Colorado's wildlife, more than 300 state wildlife areas and a host of recreational programs. CPW issues hunting and fishing...

cpw.state.co.us

 

[txhunter58]

Thanks guys. I know how to look up the odds individually. It’s just tedious and like have a one stop shopping experience with places like Toprut. They were supposed to be updated in early January but they haven’t yet. Just wondered if anyone had heard anything.

 

[txhunter58]

Odds for NR will be really skewed this year anyway with the new 75/25 split. Should be interesting!

 

[Joe2Kool]

Odds for NR will be really skewed this year anyway with the new 75/25 split. Should be interesting!

Uh Oh. I feel like I'm opening up a can of worms here, but what is the 75/25 change you referenced? IT probably goes without saying, but will it make it harder for NRs to draw this year?

Thanks.

 

[txhunter58]

Yes. Resident/NR split is going from 65/35 to 75/25

 

[lostinOregon]

Did they sell it? Never has taken this long and your log in works with Huntin’ fool?

 

[txhunter58]

I log in thru OnX

 

[nripepi]

They updated Wyoming and Arizona. I am guessing they are just going down the list of what is due first and will get to Colorado soon. There is enough data on Colorado where they could easily estimate the points required to draw with the change to 75/25 but I doubt they do that.

 

[Robiland]

They updated Wyoming and Arizona. I am guessing they are just going down the list of what is due first and will get to Colorado soon. There is enough data on Colorado where they could easily estimate the points required to draw with the change to 75/25 but I doubt they do that.

I logged in with my OnX and still nothing. Ill keep trying.

 

[Joe2Kool]

The Drawn Out reports on the CPW site are actually pretty good and easy to follow.

 

[txhunter58]

They are, but when you want to compare multiple units or research/compare new hunts, it much easier with resources like Toprut

 

[txhunter58]

The sad thing is that the states statistics info has been out for six months. If this is the normal from now on, toprut will lose business

 

[nripepi]

The sad thing is that the states statistics info has been out for six months. If this is the normal from now on, toprut will lose business

It could be that OnX is causing part of the problem? I don't know but I just don't like OnX and their product, way better options out there and they have some serious flaws.

 

[Servehim]

I like GoHunt, they have 2023 information .

 

[txhunter58]

I emailed them and this was the response I got:

Jan 29, 2024, 11:58 AM MST

David,

Thank you for reaching out to onX Maps! It appears I gave you incorrect information over the phone. I checked with our Hunt team and Toprut will still be available. Please follow the link below to go directly to Toprut. Our new website (Hunt Research Tools) and Toprut both require an Elite membership.

Toprut - Login

Login to Toprut

www.toprut.com

Hunt Research Tools | onX Hunt Elite Membership Pro-Deal

Explore the onX Hunt Research Tools with accurate data and analysis for superior application planning. Start researching with an onX Hunt Elite membership.

www.onxmaps.com

Both sites are being updated every week with the new draw odds. Toprut will be phased out starting next year because we have created a better experience on Hunt Research Tools. I apologize for the confusion and please let me know if you have any questions.

Have a great day!


Michael Mahlie

Customer Experience Guide

 

[nripepi]

I emailed them and this was the response I got:

Jan 29, 2024, 11:58 AM MST

David,

Thank you for reaching out to onX Maps! It appears I gave you incorrect information over the phone. I checked with our Hunt team and Toprut will still be available. Please follow the link below to go directly to Toprut. Our new website (Hunt Research Tools) and Toprut both require an Elite membership.

Toprut - Login

Login to Toprut

www.toprut.com

Hunt Research Tools | onX Hunt Elite Membership Pro-Deal

Explore the onX Hunt Research Tools with accurate data and analysis for superior application planning. Start researching with an onX Hunt Elite membership.

www.onxmaps.com

Both sites are being updated every week with the new draw odds. Toprut will be phased out starting next year because we have created a better experience on Hunt Research Tools. I apologize for the confusion and please let me know if you have any questions.

Have a great day!


Michael Mahlie

Customer Experience Guide

Their a joke! You would think they would have emailed those paying their salaries that they had a whole different tool out there on their website so we could compare it vs. TopRut. It looks decent but I had no idea it even existed and I am an Elite Member. Doesn't look like they updated Colorado on their new system either.

 

[Servehim]

GoHunt is awesome

 

[Joe2Kool]

My question to TopRut was answered with "...our staff will get back with you on Monday." On Wednesday, after no response, I received a "How was your service?" email. I ignored it. Maybe I should've responded.

Oh well. Sounds like the two systems have the same info at this time. I'll use TR until I can't.

 

[txhunter58]

I see they updated New Mexico. But not Colorado or Utah yet.

By the way, 2 yrs in a row I have let my eite membership lapse. Within a couple days of that, I get a 20% off offer for elite. So $80 instead of $100/ yr

 

[Joe2Kool]

I employ a similar tactic. I call them a few days before it expires and ask for the RMEF, or NWTF, or whatever discount they have. Saving $20 is almost 2 visits to Chick fil A!

 

[Rodzilla_v]

It sounds like Toprut is getting bought out by On X, with On X attempting to build a platform to compete with Gohunt. I like comparing multiple platforms. I compare Hunting fool vs. Go Hunt vs. Eastman's (and read between the lines on certain units). Actually not all agree with units, and they have their own odds. I will miss Toprut ( i would just say its likely unwise to rely on only one platform for all you info). I do like Gohunt, but they lag in updating the info on each unit , particularly the "buzz" section; a unit in a big decline will remain "great unit", for many years.

 

[Servehim]

Copy that, I rarely follow the websites buzz on specific units but on occasion I will if I know nothing about a particular area. GoHunt has had 2023 numbers posted well ahead of most other sites.

 

[WapitiBob]

Colorado is updated

 

[txhunter58]

Not fully. No info on tag numbers and harvest info for 2022 yet.

 

[elkassassin]

2022?

Or 2023?

Not fully. No info on tag numbers and harvest info for 2022 yet.

 

[txhunter58]

2022 harvest numbers and tag numbers

 

[nripepi]

Thanks OnX! I am officially moving on from them right now, this is unacceptable.

 

[ORIONTHEHUNTER]

Curious how they post those harvest numbers without any mandatory reporting

 

[ORIONTHEHUNTER]

You guys actually pay for topruts odds? In 2021 EM07501M issued 120 tags, so only 67 hunted? I find that hard to believe.

 

[txhunter58]

You don’t pay anything for toprut or for their new odds platform. It’s included in your OnX subscription.

 

[ORIONTHEHUNTER]

thats good considering most of their odds are made up

 

[Joe2Kool]

I've found the points required to draw listed on Toprut match the states I've compared it to. But the odds are just a statistical calculation.

 

[oldmossback]

Ok guys, school me on something here.. What is the difference between the info you get from these sites like top rut and go hunt and the info you can pull right from the CPW for free ?

 

[elkantlers]

Ok guys, school me on something here.. What is the difference between the info you get from these sites like top rut and go hunt and the info you can pull right from the CPW for free ?

It's all wrapped up in a little box with a nice Shiney bow on top.

 

[txhunter58]

Ok guys, school me on something here.. What is the difference between the info you get from these sites like top rut and go hunt and the info you can pull right from the CPW for free ?

Nothing. It’s just a lot faster and easier. You can search al units by points or a single unit including all the seasons for that unit, how many hunters, hunter success. All on the same screen

 

[txhunter58]

 

[txhunter58]

Took me less than a minute to pull up this info for unit 44 in Colorado. Then you click on specific hunt and it tells you odds and harvest statistics.

 

[Joe2Kool]

I think I asked the same question, and Tx58 gave me the same answer!

The info is the same. But I hadn't used TopRut since it became a subscription. After using it, it is quicker and easier. Glad it was available with my OnX.

A feature I like is it sorts by points required to draw the tag.

Good luck!

 

[oldmossback]

Nothing. It’s just a lot faster and easier. You can search al units by points or a single unit including all the seasons for that unit, how many hunters, hunter success. All on the same screen

Ok Gotcha, Do they get their hunter success from the same CPW stats?

 

[oldmossback]

Took me less than a minute to pull up this info for unit 44 in Colorado. Then you click on specific hunt and it tells you odds and harvest statistics.

Is this only for the elite subscription or?

 

[oldmossback]

I think I asked the same question, and Tx58 gave me the same answer!

The info is the same. But I hadn't used TopRut since it became a subscription. After using it, it is quicker and easier. Glad it was available with my OnX.

A feature I like is it sorts by points required to draw the tag.

Good luck!

I assume it is a separate subscription on top of onX?

 

[Joe2Kool]

I assume it is a separate subscription on top of onX?

Edit, go to next post for correct Login.

Nope. It's part of the OnX subscription. I think it is the Elite package. AKA as all 50 states, and the one that retails for $99, or $79 ish with the promo codes.

Ugh oh. I was gonna post a screenshot of where it was. But, it's not there anymore.

 

[Joe2Kool]

Part 2. Go to TopRut and click the Login with OnX.

And of course I've forgotten my password.

 

[txhunter58]

About to get frustrated with toprut and ask for my money back. They still don’t have statistics updated.