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AZBoy
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This was posted on coueswhitetail.com by a guy going by wetmule (he may even be a member here, by another name?) so I can't substantiate it. It is interesting though....
To all who have responded and those that will. I agree with all that has been said so far but would like to add a few thoughts. The AZ G & F lost this court case, they also have known for months that they were going to loose. A private individual resident along with a few others (nameless for now) months ago, hired their own attorney to combat taulman and this issue in concert with the G & F attorneys. They have spent upwards of $50,000 + on all our behalf fighting for us to remedy the situation. This attorney came up with a solution that would fix the problem by setting aside a percentage of the total permits issued in the form of commercial permits or outfitters permits much like how several other states handle their nonresident permits. From what I can tell this is a perfectly legal solution to the non-res cap issue, whereas the current system according to the judge violates the interstate commerce laws or regulations. It was reccomended to the G & F for them to let the judge know that the G & F was taking steps in good faith to remedy this situation by way of creating outfitters permits or commercial permits which could be limited to 10% or any number they wanted. As far as resident hunters go this would'nt change our odds of drawing, it would be perfecttly legal and Taulman wouldn't have a leg to stand on if he is trying to get more hunters drawn for AZ hunts. GUESS WHAT the G & F purposely failed to let the judge know that it was trying to remedy the situation. The G & F attorneys are incompetent and the whole dept. is to blame. When it comes to important issues they are just another bumbling beaurocracy that is reactive and not pro-active. I would strongly suggest that all of you get involved and voice your dis-pleasure in every way possible. As far as them not telling you if you were drawn or not, you have the right to know, it's called the freedom of information act, they have to give you that information. If I drew a STRIP tag this year or an early bull hunt and they give my tag to a non-res. You can bet that I will file suit against the Dept. I suggest you do as well. The odss of even getting drawn once in a lifetime are so minute these days you can bet I will be seeing them in court.
THE GAME AND FISH DEPT. NEEDS TO WAKE UP ! They are loosing its constituancy, that is all of us AZ residents. When we can't get drawn, when our kids can't get drawn they loose us, and we are the ones that live here, support them on issues like the Sabino Canyon Lion issue, provide them jobs and pay their salaries. When they cater to non-residents before they take care of the residents they are going down the wrong path. This on-line application process is convenient but it is bull---- when they don't charge all fees up front. They need to raise all permit fees and they need to reallly raise non-res fees along with some form of cap on the number of permits that non res. get.
WE ARE LOSING OUR AZ HUNTING RIGHTS YOU PEOPLE BETTER GET UNITED AND START VOICING YOUR CONCERNS AND RAIL ON THE G & F THAT IS SORELY LACKING VISION AND LEADERSHIP ! THANKS FOR LISTENING
To all who have responded and those that will. I agree with all that has been said so far but would like to add a few thoughts. The AZ G & F lost this court case, they also have known for months that they were going to loose. A private individual resident along with a few others (nameless for now) months ago, hired their own attorney to combat taulman and this issue in concert with the G & F attorneys. They have spent upwards of $50,000 + on all our behalf fighting for us to remedy the situation. This attorney came up with a solution that would fix the problem by setting aside a percentage of the total permits issued in the form of commercial permits or outfitters permits much like how several other states handle their nonresident permits. From what I can tell this is a perfectly legal solution to the non-res cap issue, whereas the current system according to the judge violates the interstate commerce laws or regulations. It was reccomended to the G & F for them to let the judge know that the G & F was taking steps in good faith to remedy this situation by way of creating outfitters permits or commercial permits which could be limited to 10% or any number they wanted. As far as resident hunters go this would'nt change our odds of drawing, it would be perfecttly legal and Taulman wouldn't have a leg to stand on if he is trying to get more hunters drawn for AZ hunts. GUESS WHAT the G & F purposely failed to let the judge know that it was trying to remedy the situation. The G & F attorneys are incompetent and the whole dept. is to blame. When it comes to important issues they are just another bumbling beaurocracy that is reactive and not pro-active. I would strongly suggest that all of you get involved and voice your dis-pleasure in every way possible. As far as them not telling you if you were drawn or not, you have the right to know, it's called the freedom of information act, they have to give you that information. If I drew a STRIP tag this year or an early bull hunt and they give my tag to a non-res. You can bet that I will file suit against the Dept. I suggest you do as well. The odss of even getting drawn once in a lifetime are so minute these days you can bet I will be seeing them in court.
THE GAME AND FISH DEPT. NEEDS TO WAKE UP ! They are loosing its constituancy, that is all of us AZ residents. When we can't get drawn, when our kids can't get drawn they loose us, and we are the ones that live here, support them on issues like the Sabino Canyon Lion issue, provide them jobs and pay their salaries. When they cater to non-residents before they take care of the residents they are going down the wrong path. This on-line application process is convenient but it is bull---- when they don't charge all fees up front. They need to raise all permit fees and they need to reallly raise non-res fees along with some form of cap on the number of permits that non res. get.
WE ARE LOSING OUR AZ HUNTING RIGHTS YOU PEOPLE BETTER GET UNITED AND START VOICING YOUR CONCERNS AND RAIL ON THE G & F THAT IS SORELY LACKING VISION AND LEADERSHIP ! THANKS FOR LISTENING
