Wolf huggers Aim At Utah

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Link to petiton.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/795190965?z00m=19822621

Link to Governor's office...

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/795190965?z00m=19822621

Mass emailing...

The Utah state legislature has been back in session for less than a week, but already a bill has been introduced and passed in committee that would require the state to remove or destroy all wolves that cross into areas unprotected by the Endangered Species Act.

Tell Utah Governor Gary Herbert to stop this terrible wolf-killing bill >>

Wolves have been delisted in the northeastern corner of Utah, a vital travel corridor for wolves moving between Idaho and Wyoming into Utah. The passage of this bill would be a disastrous step backwards for the wolf recovery effort in the American West.

Utah state Sen. Allen Christensen -- the lawmaker who introduced the bill -- has already been forced to soften his bill so it doesn't violate the Endangered Species Act. But our friends at Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund are working to kill the bill altogether and protect Utah's wolves.

Help protect wolves in their natural home. Tell the governor that you support wolves in Utah >>

Thanks for taking action

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The tree huggers are taking aim at you Utah folks now.
Yellowstone wolves my ass....
HH
 
"Help protect wolves in their natural home"

Yeah, LOL.... There was a reason our Great Grand Parents
killed them all. They serve absolutely no good purpose in this
state or others.

They can let the Canadian's keep them.

The last documented wolf kill, in the area I live, was 1925.
I believe at the time there was a $50 bounty. Imagine how much
money that was back then??? That just goes to show how much
destruction these vermin caused and how happy the people were to
get rid of them.
 
Doubt if any members on this site want wolves in utah, I know I don't! How would I want this state to end up just like idaho and wyoming where wolves are? Our deer have enough problems without wolves!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-10 AT 06:40PM (MST)[p]I hate wolves!!!

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Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
I didn't know wolves had "major travel corridors". It shouldn't surprise anyone. They are going to keep multiplying and expanding, until we have them in every western state.
 
We need to keep them out of here! There should be a bounty on ignorant tree huggers who don't know anything about the outdoors. I think it will only be a matter of time before we see wolves attacking people.


Rub some dirt on it, ya sissy!
 
I dont understand why people HATE wolves so much. What have they done?? Maybe kill a few deer and elk. Hunters kill hundreds of thousand of deer and elk each year, far more than wolves do. Not to mention urban sprawl and loss of habitat due to man.

And are you really affraid that the big bad wolf is gonna come eat you?? Your a puss if you believe that. Have any of you really even encountered a wolf and can actually say from experience that they are as bad as you say they are? The only reason our fore fathers shot them is because they feared them. Man has always got to keep it on an even playing field and kill off anything that might potentially harm us or our livestock. It blows my mind how retarded people are.

I say open season on Texans and Califonians, that might help the herd out a bit and save some wolves!



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I can see your concern for the well being for wildlife, but i think most of us on here would prefer the wolfs did not destroy our deer herds... they need as much help as they can get considering the DWR does a horrible job.
 
Actually, you need to educate yourself on the subject. Predators (wolves are the "top dog") kill more deer and elk (here in Idaho) than do hunters. The number of wolves is already more than 10 times the number that the experts said would exist 25 years after the reintroduction.

Bringing them back has been an ecological and economic disaster for Idaho, Wyo. and Montana..........it's going to get worse and it gets worse every year.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
I agree 100%. Im not advocating introducing wolves im just sayin I dont understand the hostility towards them when people dont have a reason.


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LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-10 AT 09:47PM (MST)[p] You said it very well when you mentioned urban development and habitat loss. The deer herd in utah already has enough to worry about. Why the ell would we bring more predators to help kill them off?


Rub some dirt on it, ya sissy!
 
Born-to-hunt, Are you trying to be funny, or are you really that ignorant about the wolf? Read something other than the LA Times and you will quickly find out that wolves have already decimated elk herds in many areas. Case in point is the herd that migrates from YNP through the Gardiner area to winter in the Yellowstone River country. Look it up. The herd is about 1/10 the size it was a decade ago. Check out the winter counts on the Idaho Sand Creek area from the last 10 years. Look at the numbers from the northern Idaho hunts. Not to mention that IDFG can hardly entice nonresidents to deer hunt in this state.

You getting the picture yet? Wolf reintroduction was a bad idea prompted by some well-connected but uninformed liberals. Every time man tries to manipulate nature to suit his needs, bad things happen. Look at what the lake trout in Yellowstone Lake, and the rainbow trout in the Snake River are doing to native cutthroat populations. Likewise the Asian carp are killing many eastern fish species.

Wake up, man. The wolf will eventually cause some hunts to end altogether. Think our friends on the left coast would like that? This animal is out of control, and was exterminated by our forefathers for a reason. If you don't believe there is a problem, I suggest you do some homework.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-10 AT 06:34AM (MST)[p]


Born2.."I say open season on Texans
>and Californians, that might help
>the herd out a bit
>and save some wolves!"



Blow it out you ass you ignorant wolf hugger.

Who's afraid of the big bad wolf?
Not this Californian...
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Here's to more wolf hunting opportunities!
 
LOL!!! That is funny! Before the wolf was reintroduced you could drive through yellowstone and see alot of animals.. Now you may see a few but the place is nowhere near what it used to be. The wolf population needs to be kept in check and they need to stay the hell out of Utah. The majority of Utahns DO NOT WANT THEM HERE!! There is no good that comes from them.

NO GUTS, NO STORY!!


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HAHAHAHAHAHA........HAHAHAHAHAHA. LMMFAO at that one Harry. LOL




Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
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Born 2 hunt. I think you bit off more than you can chew. Go grab your granola snack, throw on your teva's, jump in you subaru and go get some solid facts. Wolves are bad! We don't need them.


Rub so me dirt on it, ya sissy!
 
If teh wolf advocates had kept their word, wolves would not be a HUGE problem.

there was suppose to be 150 in each state.

Now, they are in court trying to have 8,000 wolves in the west. 8,000 wolves is 160,000 dead elk A YEAR, five years of that, elk, deer and moose are gone in the west as far as having huntable numbers for people. PLUS the studies coming out of Montana State are also showing that elk are being continuously harrased, thus lower winter adult survival and lower calf survival. this is on top of the direct killing of elk by wolves.

Sinc 2005 the Gallatin Valley elk herd GOES from 1,500 down to 200, NO cow tags issued.

Yellowstone fromo 18,000 to 6,500. No impact ? the hunt outside Gardner Montana is OVER, DONE, NO MORE for antlerless and antlered harvest is DRAMATICALLY lower.

Moose are GONE from Jackson to Cody. there used to be nearly 200 moose tags - 5 this year. No impact, and if you believe the climate change BS reason, then why are Utah moose populaitons UP 30-40% and we are a DESERT state ?

Wolves are growing exponentially.

Five years after reintrouduction wolves killed 4,000 elk. Five years later, they killed 13,500 elk a year. This year, wolves are killing close to 38,000 elk a year, and in five more years as these wolf growth rates continue to compound at 25% annually, means 80,000 dead elk.

Any hunter who thinks wolves - UNMANGED Wolves - are not going to cause a 60 to 70% reduction in OUR hunting opportunity, is STUPID. Can it be said any more clear than that ?

Is the data any more obvious than what is being published and what hunters in Idaho, WYoming and Montana are seeing - Moose and ELk herds disappearing right before their eyes.

Until the Wolf advoctes keep their word - they never will - and stop the law suits to get 8,000 wolves instead of the 450 they all agreed upon, every sportsmen should UNITE and help fight the ANTI HUTNING assault on WEstern STates Big Game hunting like we have never seen since the pioneers settled the WESt.

For those who disagree with SFW on some issues, here is ONE issue every sportsmen should get behind and help SFW as we have worked tirelessly to get the states the right to manage wolves and protect game herds and livestock. SFW attorneys were in the court room in Wyoming last friday in Wyoming, and have been in teh court room from Day one in Missoula to keep Idaho and Montana so they can manage wolves as orginially agreed upon.

Thanks to Sen. Christensen for taking the LEAD, to get UTAH ahead of the curve, and not behind it.

If you get behind the curve on a compounding exponential function, in a very short time, you are done.

America is in a HUGE economic crisis.

this is just a Classic Fedral Government screw up AGAIN. Spend $100 Million to bring back wolves which generate little to any econmic activity, and destroy the Ranching and hunting economies of the west, which are multi billion dollar industries, and most importantly provide us food to eat. Outfitters are loosing their jobs, taxidermist are loosing customer, less licenses sold, less tourism, less hotel rooms, it is ALL BAD and NO good to have more than 150 wolves in each state.

I am glad to debate anyone on this issue.

the testimony provided by the wolf advocates in the legislativef hearings were VERY decietful, and the RMEF sent a letter directly, and STRONGLy refuting claims that wolves were actaully helping to increase elk populations.

This is teh BIGGEST train wreck facing the west, and if spotsmen do not rally and win, there will be hardly any thing to fight over.

forget limited draw, shortened seasons, expo tags, conservation tags.

Some people want to sit and fight those who are helping grow herds, and are mad at 5% of teh permits being marketed a non traditional way, but will sit idely by and watch 70-80% of the game herds be desttoyed.

Don't beleieve what you read in teh papers on this issue, they don't have a clue what is going on, or what will happen

Don
 
Some Facts as provided by the US Fish and Wildlfie SErvice as best estimates:

Idaho - 91 packs and over 1,000 wolves

Wyoming 27 packs and 350 plus wolves

Montana 30 packs and 400 plus wolves.


Wolves have exceeded the agreed upon 150 wolves and 15 packs since 2002. Since then, the US Fish and Wildlfie SERRVICE has been killing about 200 wolves each year as they get into livestock and also kill guard dogs and peoples horses and pets.

Inspite of killing that many wolves, they are still compound growing at about 25% a year.

If the Federal Judges BAN wolf hunting, within 5 years they will be at around 4,000 wolves and they kill 21 elk per year, plus the harrasment factors.

There rulings for ID and MT (missoula court room) and Wyoming (Wyoming court room) should be out within two months - estimate


With many elk herds only having 10 calves per 100 cows, instead of the 30 -50 they had pre wolf, and Utah has upwards of 45-55 calves per 100 cows (wolves have no impacts folks) , Elk herds are in DRAMATIC DECLINe, and that means dramatic decline or elimination of elk hunting, elk sucess rates, etc.

So far the Idaho sportsmen wolf hunt has taken 145 wolves - the goal is 220 this year. the Idaho Game and Fish extended the season to March 31 to try and reach teh 220 quota.

Montana sportsmen killed 75 wolves and that season is closed.

Once again, if the WOLF ADvocates would keep THEIR agreement of 150 wolves in each state, wolves would not be a HUGE problem

Their agenda is to eliminate ranching and hunting, that is why they are in court trying to stop the wolf hunts.

Can someone please explain to me, if there are 6 times the wolves in Idaho than needed, and 3 times the wolves in Montana as needed, then go take a look at the map, and explain why wolves need a corridor through Utah to get to Montana ?

Just another BS lie by the wolf advocates.

This reasoning makes ZERO SENSE.

SFW position has been to fight to retain the states rights to manage wolves in the states of ID, MT, and WY as agreed upon.

And since the wolf advocates have show there true colors, we are going to do all that is possible to keep them out of Utah.

When they keep their word, SFW will go back to the barganing table and agree to have some wolves.

Until then, fight to keep our abunandant herds - that has been well documented - we have enough challanges without wolves - and keep wolves out of Utah.
 
In 1995 I got into a conversation with a biologist(woman) that was doing a coyote study(waste of gov money), the conversation turned to wolves, I mentioned how I didn't like that they used the endangered species act to introduce a species that wasn't endangered, at which she immediately responded, that with a predator such as the wolf, humans would no longer be needed to manage wildlife, I don't remember what was said after that, but it was a little heated(not sexually either). As I live in Idaho, I consider her to be a fortune teller!! What I got out of that conversation is that without hunting there would be no reason to own guns!!!
What Don says above is absolutly true!!!!! AS for born_2_hunt I'll let Harry take care of that!!!!!!!
 
If I had the credentials and lived in ID this would be on my truck...

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WOLFH8R is available in UT if anyone wants it!!
 
I'm proud to be from the same State as HunterHarry! We have our share of weirdos, but don't ever mistake that as a sign of weakness.:)

Eel

Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
 
3 blade, you are correct.

SFW Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlfie.

WE have helped increase funding for habitat conservation and transplanting and restoring herrds on the tune of over $100 million.

Predator management is also a key part of producing abundant game herds for sportsmen in todays world.
 
Born_2_hunt, to use your logic why dont we start a wolf population in CA, and maybe PA and some of the other East Coast states.

They are perfectly fine. Not dangerous. To use your term, your a ##### if your afraid of them.

Lets do it. Its the right thing to do. It will make everyone feel good to be able to hear the majestic wolf howl just outside their door.

They dont eat much according to you.

Almost nobody in the states that they have been introduced in that actually have to interact with them wants them there.

The people that want them there are the anti hunters, the sheeple that are a product of our public school system in metropolitan areas that are inoculated to hate loggers, ranchers, hunters and those of us that enjoy the outdoors.

You need to get your facts from the source, not Animal Planet, Sierra Club, or Oprah.














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NMPaul

some GREAT quotes. thanks

The anti hunting groups have not invested $1 into restoring elk, deer, moose, bighorn, bison, etc.

they have not invested $1 into habitat conservation

Now they want THEIR WOLVES to DESTROY their elk and moose herds.

you hit right between the eyes, frankly, i despise the wolf advocates a lot more than the wolf. Wolf is just doing his job.

the Socialists are determined to destroy our hunting heritage and unless more sportsmen wake up and join in the fight, we are going to loose

don
 
They are here or hopefully passing through. A pack of seven was sighted a few weeks ago in the head of the chalk creek basin.. No Joke no BS

Justin Richins
R&K Hunting Company Inc.
www.thehuntingcompany.com
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-10 AT 10:33PM (MST)[p]"Help protect wolves in their natural home."

Now that is an interesting comment, help protect wolves in their natural home. I remember reading through the EIS for Introduction into Yellowstone Park back in the nineties. Data was put together by the USFW Service that showed the loss of wildlife we'd have after recovery of a wolf population. I could look up the numbers, but they went like this: two or three percent loss of deer; two or three percent loss of elk; and two or three percent loss of bison.

I was doing lots of writing in those days and Andy Lightbody from Gunnison, Colorado asked me to write an article for the paper on what the west would look like with a recovered wolf population. I had a fall trip scheduled to Alaska and had a chance to sit and talk with a sheep biologist about wolves. His data clearly showed that caribou populations were stable if that population only had one predator, say the griz or the wolf. He told me that when we have both of those predators the caribou populations drop and we have to shoot wolves off those herds to maintain the herds. He was talking about herd sizes that numbered thirty or forty thousand animals.......

Well, I thought on my way back from Alaska about the number of predators we have on our deer and elk herds: 1) coyote; 2) mountain lions; 3) black bears; 4) return of the Griz; 5) return of the Wolf; 6) and the Golden Eagle.....

Well I guess some of you are getting the point by now, a deer and elk herd with that many predators will not make it. I don't know how many elk herds that you have seen lately that have forty thousand animals in it either. I predicted doom and gloom and that is where we are headed fellow sportsmen....

If there was ever a reason to stand behind our sportsmen groups and prepare for a fight the time has come, because animal rights groups plan to remove us all by displacement--that is eliminate us because there isn't enough food for the natural predators. That's right, neither you nor I are considered natural in this modern day world. Each of us should dig deep and donate what we can to assist groups like SFW who lead the fight to protect what we all love......HUNTING!

It is time to set aside our hard feelings over petty issues and join together in a common cause to preserve our future.........

The USFW Service set a minimum of 300 wolves for the Yellowstone Selway region, and our modern day managers (possibly because of animal right's groups and judges) and the public have allowed those numbers to grow into the thousands. The Federal Government put Martha Stewart in prison for not being truthful with Federal agents, yet somebody hasn't been honest with us. Let's don't be like our forefathers and discover too late that our big game animals have been wiped out because of robust predator populations.

Dennis Ingram
 
Good info provided by Dennis and Don.

Researchers recently completed a four year study on elk and wolves in the Yellowstone ecosystem. Measured the reproductive health for the four herds, using 1,200 scat samples from females, then testing for certain enzymes that can be used to determine the health of that female.

Their conclusion was that the harassment of elk, forcing them out of their preferred habitats in late winter/spring, is the primary cause of the low calf ratios (typically below 20/100)that have occurred for the past 10 years. They further concluded that this harassment was a far more serious problem for the elk herds than direct predation by the wolves.

From a high of 19,000 when wolves were re-introduced in 1996 (too many for the habitat) the herd has averaged between 6,000 and 7,000 the last four years. At first glance, one would assume that the herd numbers have stabilized. Unfortunately, that is likely not the csae. a disease outbreak reduced the wolf population by half, which likely is the reason the elk numbers leveled off. Once numbers rebuild, I would expect to see the population continue to decline.

We now have one official pack in Oregon, and likely several more that have not been documented yet. Given the sad state of our big game populations, this will not be a good situation down the road.

Scoutdog
 
here we go again for the umpteenth time on wolves............
doesn't really matter how many wolves they plant or doesn't really matter how many wolves migrate/venture in to tardville.........
the tards will shoot every f'n one of them,don't really matter what kind of laws are in effect either................
for some reason the USFS,DWR,WOLF LOVERS/Yuppies & etc think they can make special regulations on wolves to keep tards from shooting them,it ain't happening,don't waste your money on wolf introduction in tardville..................
show me one place in utah you could put them without conflict?
they can't even manage big game in utah in a proper manor let alone wolves........................
plant em in utah & i'll guarantee you you're wasting your time & money!



soon the love in his heart will be the rage in his fist

Jesus is coming and boy is he pissed

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-10 AT 07:00PM (MST)[p]let wolves in...are you kidding me. elk are their #1 prey
i really dont think it would be a good idea to screw the
elk over. nobody wants wolves and if i ever see one here
you can bet it will be dead in seconds. Fact: the wolf since
its re-intrduction have multiplied by 300% the goal. that just
proves that nobody can control them. they should be killed off again.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-10 AT 07:35PM (MST)[p]http://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos/4917wolvescomin.jpg

Somebody sent me this photo of a pack of wolves roaming what I guess is Yellowstone Park. First thing I noticed was there are enough wolves in that pack to take (or kill) whatever they want when the mood set them off; second thing I notices was no more wildlife in the frame?

Years back the Alaskan Fish and Game documented that five or six wolves caught around twenty Dall sheep rams in a couple feet of snow and away from the ledges. The report showed the wolves killed every ram in the herd and only fed on a couple of those kills. Sport killing by wolves is well documented, and the crap about only taking the old, weak and sick from the herds could not be further from the truth. I wonder what the Fish and Game would do if one of us killed nearly a dozen Dall sheep rams and only bothered to clean, tag and remove a couple of them?

ike
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-02-10 AT 06:28AM (MST)[p]I only hope that huge pack of wolves are not headed to Utah......
 
Ike

that photo is SE of Jackson Wyoming, a place i have hunted for 25 years.

this past year, a DRAMATIC decrease in elk, moose, deer.

you get within 300 yards of a doe and fawn - no hunters in teh area, and they run for their lives.

With packs of Wolves like that, as you said, they can kill anything.

Fellow Sportsmen, it is a year in prison and a $100,000 fine to kill a wolf that is on the ESA.

Join with us, help change the laws and lets do it right, have each state manage wolves and keep them at 150 in each state, not 1,000

don
 
Does anyone have a link to the website that sells the shirt "smoke a pack a day" and has a wolf in the cross-hairs of a scope? I have always wanted one!!
 
No doubt about it. WE MUST WIN THIS FIGHT, TO KEEP WOLF NUMBERS AT THE ORIGIONAL NUMBERS AGREED UPON. AS SAID SPORTSMEN AND WOMEN CAN NOT BE DIVIDED ON THIS ISSUE. Support those who are fighting the battles.
 
>Doubt if any members on this
>site want wolves in utah,
>I know I don't! How
>would I want this state
>to end up just like
>idaho and wyoming where wolves
>are? Our deer have enough
>problems without wolves!


You are right,and the biggest problem deer in Utah have is ELK!

Tony Abbott
 
Guys I live in NW Montana, I am here to tell you that dkpeay is telling you the TRUTH !!! Our deer population has crashed here.Only a fraction of what the population levels were pre wolf.In 2008 there were 500 antlerless tags, in each hunting district in Region 1 (NW MT) plus 1 full week of either sex hunting with a general tag.Check station results showed very low harvest statitics.(an exagerated 6%)I believe closer to 3% success.This is on ANY DEER.Not just bucks.The "Remedy"
in 2009 only 25 antlerless tags alloted in each hunting dist in region 1.
Thats A 95% REDUCTION in tags and oppurtunity.Why, because of the endangered species language,Lawsuits by the anti hunting crowd,and a liberal judge in Missoula, our Biologists only management tool is to reduce the human hunting portion, of the predation dynamic on deer, Elk,moose sheep etc..All ungulate populations here are in steep decline. Everybody here, that I know is going somewhere else to hunt next fall.Also from what I am seing we have far more than 400 wolves in Montana.Go to the MTfwp website do some digging, Wolf- elk interactions,Do a little 3rd grade math and you will realize that WOLVES WILL END HUNTING AS WE KNOW IT.WOLVES have changed it here in NW MT drastically. I know some of you are shaking your head and think well, wolves might kill a few deer here and there, but come on, end hunting as we know it??? If that is what you believe, then you are behind the curve and are part of the problem. Apathy will affect your hunting eventually.The goal of the antihunting movement is to END HUNTING PERIOD!! The wolf is just one of many tools in there arsenal. Here is a little tidbit. The wolf program started when Bill Clinton, and Al Gore,took 48 million dollars from the Roberson Pittman fund, and made 38 trips to Canada to negotiate buying wolves.Fast forward and now here we are.The "SEASON" that Montana has agreed to will never control wolves.Montana has agreed to manage wolves with a general rifle season. Thats it, no traps, no poisen,no air gunning etc.What a joke.Also Montana sportsmen are footing the bill for their own demise. 2/3 of every dollar spent on hunting and fishing licenses, goes to ENDANGERED SPECIES enhancement.That means
Wolves and to a lesser extent Grizzlies.IS it any wonder the MT FWP has no idea how many ungulates are left. They don't do actual studies anymore. just predator prey dynamic MODELS, and check station results, and a hunter survey that samples a small percentage of hunters, 3 months after the hunting season ends.The endangered species act needs to be revised so we can once again let sound biology,and not so common sence prevail,in wildlife management.
 
Lets not forget that wolves also readily kill coyotes. Coyote populations are extremely high in some areas. Coyotes kill more deer than lions easily in the state of Utah.

Most of you are the reason hunting with a gun will end one day. There are more people who appreciate wolves than hunters who can send a bullet 400 yards. Anyone can send a bullet 400 yards to kill an animal. Its not hard.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-10 AT 07:57PM (MST)[p]>Lets not forget that wolves also
>readily kill coyotes. Coyote
>populations are extremely high in
>some areas. Coyotes kill
>more deer than lions easily
>in the state of Utah.
>
>
>Most of you are the reason
>hunting with a gun will
>end one day. There
>are more people who appreciate
>wolves than hunters who can
>send a bullet 400 yards.
> Anyone can send a
>bullet 400 yards to kill
>an animal. Its not
>hard.

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First off, coyotes basically kill the young ungulates off fawning or calving grounds but do team up and take down some of the adult deer. However, I'd like to see evidence of a coyote kill on an adult elk. Trading out one killer for another three times its size is crazy to put it mildly.

Conservation groups have spent years (and millions of dollars) transplanting elk all over the West for people to view, enjoy and hunt, yet the wolf threatens all those years of work and all that money sportsmen groups have invested. For what, to watch a pack of wolves go through those herds like a chainsaw? Do we really want all those elk wiped out after waiting for so many years to have them? I think not.........

Most state agencies annual budget comes from hunter dollars (in one form or another) which will diminish in future years as hunter dollars decline. Bottom line is Utah legislatures have always claimed wildlife can and will pay it's own way. If Utah tax payers had to fund UDWR's budget alone for just one single year it would be interesting what the state would do with wildlife.

Man is the best predator on the planet, and can be utilized like a precision tool to remove problem animals as management requires. Managers have no control over predation by wolves, they can't tell them to take so many animals here, or so many animals there. Wolves kill what they want, when they want and how ever much they want--period. There was a time for wolves before man moved in and consumed the land, but that time has passed. Wolves need millions upon millions of acres of undeveloped lands to reap their havoc, and there just isn't any places large enough left in the lower 48 states. I say manage the hell out of those wolves and don't allow them to cross into Utah--not a single one!

You know California decided back twenty years ago that tax payers would pay for the management of the mountain lion, rather than letting the hunters pay the bill. I suppose it's ideas like that that has bankrupt that great state. I can't imagine having wildlife species that have out grown their prey base capacity not being managed wisely. Seriously, how could voters vote to pay a state agency to harvest excess animals rather than sell the public harvest tags--one way makes money and the other way spends it. If a person runs their business like that they will soon be like California and not able to pay their workers.....

ike
 

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