Wolves in the Bighorn Mountains!

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Now is the time for all good men & women to come to the aid of the elk herd in Wyoming! Long story short: I've bow hunted area 40 for elk the last 2 years and have always seen many elk! Success has been fairly easy. However, this year it all has changed! Granted, it was unseasonably hot & dry in September this year, but in 18 long, hard days of hunting, my partner and I were only able to lay eyes on 6 cows and 2 bulls. Wallows that should have been ravaged due to all the heat went untouched. Reports from Game Wardens and other hunters were much the same.......No Elk! Excuses were many and varied, but they all had the same ending....No Elk! Rifle season in Area 40 opened last Thursday, October 15. Yesterday I met with 4 rifle hunters who not only hunt area 40, but concentrate in exactly the same drainage area (Grouse Creek) that we do, and did they ever have bad news. On Saturday the witnessed 4 wolves chasing a mule deer doe across the drainage where they met up with one other wolf. No wonder we hadn't seen any! What happened in the Yellowstone/Teton area a few years back was being exactly replicated here in the Bighorns. And yet, the G&F's official stance is that there occasionally is a wolf that will travel through the Bighorns, but that there is not a resident pack. Horse----!!! Just last year a local game warden out of Buffalo placed a game camera on an elk carcass he had investigated and he had pictures of a wolf that very night!




Another game warden took casts of tracks in the northern portion of the Bighorns and officially verified that they were indeed wolf tracks. How much longer will the G&F deny their presence? How much longer will be denied the ability to legally shoot the wolves? This morning I called the G&F office in Cody which oversees area 40, and it was all I could do to get them to remain on the phone. They obviously didn't seem to care, and remained somewhat skeptical. It was like they wanted to tell me, "Oh Well". Oh well, my a--!! Those elk are my elk, your elk, and everybody's elk. And unless we make our voices heard (LOUDLY), the G&F won't be doing anything to shrink their numbers. At the very least, the G&F should be worried about the reduction in the elk population reducing the number of hunters, both resident & non-resident, therefore reducing the number of tags sold. I ask that you please contact your state legilators and make your opinions heard, even if you don't agree with me. Report to the G&F every wolf sighting you make. The more they hear from us, the more likely they'll be to take action. Twenty to thirty miles from here they can shoot wolves and not be criminals. We as Wyomingites have been forced to resort to the SS&S method of predator control while our G&F denies their very presence. Take action and be a part of the solution!!!!!!
 
So what are you expecting the G&F to do about it. They're a govermental agency who are restricted by Federal laws. Contacting yer state reps is a waste of time. You probably want to talk to yer congressional reps. Although I also think that would probably also be a waste of time. I don't think Cubin, Enzi, or Thomas ever so much as lifted a finger when things were heating up years ago with the wolf intro. Is it against the law to suggest that maybe you need to get out and address the problem yerself and then keep yer mouth closed for the rest of yer days. If it is, consider my statement retracted...
 
WITH THE YELLOWSTONE HERD REDUCED BY 75%, THE REST OF THE STATE WILL FALL THAT WAY ALSO......WITH THE WOLF EXPANDING ITS RANGE. IDAHO IS ABOUT DEAD WITH THE NON RESIDENT HUNTER STAYING OUT OF WOLF INFESTED IDAHO......WITH NO CHECKS & BALANCES ON THE WOLF WYOMING FISH & GAME CAN EXPECT A CRASH IN REVENUE FROM THE NR HUNTER AS WELL. MY NR MOOSE HUNT IN 08 WAS A BUST DUE TO WOLVES ALSO.......WONT BE BACK SOON......YD.
 
I'm in Idaho and I am at a loss as to what to do. The Anti's are going to win by simply getting rid of the game. I figure I've got about 3-5 years of decent elk hunting left, before it will no longer be worth it. The Federal government is showing that they control the small states and our freedom's and there isn't a dam thing we can do about it. Maybe if thousands of sportsmen banded together and started having wolf parties, it would be hard to arrest us all, but I can't see that happening.
I really believe our only hope is if some kind of biological disease infests the wolves that can wipe them out.
 
How about we start by getting the G&F to admit that there are wolves in the Bighorns and not just a transient one or two passing through? Being from Casper you surely must understand how severely wolves will impact the cattle industry in Wyoming. I just would like to see the hunters and outdoormen take a stand against those who would like to see our hunting / gun rights come to an end.
 
Did you catch the article in the paper a few days ago about a wolf the G & F trapped in the Horns because it was killing sheep. As for the cattle industry, could care less whether they stay or go the way of the dinosaur. If it weren't for socialistic practices and gov't welfare, most in that business would be gone. Given what they take in handouts, they contribute little to nothing to our State's economy...
 
Wolves have been terrorizing the southern end of the big horns all summer killing numerous amounts of sheep. This is information I got directly off the G&F website. The far southern end of the big horns is hardly what I would call ideal wolf habitat. Not really a surprise to hear there are some in the northern end of the range.
 
Ideal wolf habitat is where the easy food/kill is.
Wolves in the Horns ain't breaking news.
Folks tend to keep it down to a dull yelp is all. Have for years.
Don't believe the mutt-huggers will get much satisfaction trying the neighbourhood for any compliance to their science fiction.

Rump
 
We videotaped 3 wolves in the Bighorns 5 years ago on the day before the opener of area 40 (Oct.14) behind Baldy.Word got out to the F&G they came and contacted us, looked at the footage and wanted to take the videocamera. Of course we said he** NO. I think its the biggest Crock of Bullchit there will ever be in the wild.
 
I feel your pain. Good luck in getting change in time to save at least a generation of poor hunting and very diminished game herds.

Sounds terribly like our situation here in Kali with the Mt Lions.

Joey
 
sorry to hear this, the bighorns have been a great part of my life.hope there are a few elk left when my number is called again.
great memories
simo
 
check out sportsmen for fish and wildlife they are the ones fighting to allow hunting wolves in wyo
 
I hate to hear about the wolf problems out west. I'm in Arkansas and have been trying to get enough vacation built up to take a week and hunt mule deer for the first time in my life. I was told a couple years ago that the Bighorns were a great place to get my feet wet on a DIY Wyoming hunt. As bad as I hate to say it, a loss in revenue to the state is probably what will bring a wolf hunt to Wy. The same thing happened to us here in Ar. with the robo duck. The g&f banned the robo to increase numbers of ducks...which I was in favor. But, after the number of state stamps went down, because people couldn't call or kill ducks without one, they un-banned it. It's all about the dollars boys!
 
You guys in wolf country should take a page out of the liberal play book and practice civil disobedience. Many liberals believe that if it is their opinion that a law is unjust that it is their duty to disobey it in a peaceful manner, accepting the consequences, in order to bring attention to the law to effectuate change.
 
>it. It's all about the
>dollars boys!

Yer obviously not up on the economic impact wolves have had in these parts. They just set an attendance record in Yellowstone this year. The revenue generated by all the bunny huggers coming here to catch a glimpse of a wolf has been signifcant. Some are saying tourism in the NW corner of the state continues to increase. Having said that, I'll take less tourists, nonresidents and no wolves if I had a choice...
 
>>it. It's all about the
>>dollars boys!
>
>Yer obviously not up on the
>economic impact wolves have had
>in these parts. They
>just set an attendance record
>in Yellowstone this year.
>The revenue generated by all
>the bunny huggers coming here
>to catch a glimpse of
>a wolf has been signifcant.
>
It is exactly as I said, they are making more money of tourists than hunting licenses...so it's a win win deal for them. Money from people to look at the wolves until they get so bad(cost of livestock or what have you) to have do do something, then the return of money from hunting licences when the herd numbers come back. It's all about the dollars.
 
Yer argument makes no sense. The Feds spent $25 - 30 million reintroducing wolves. They're collecting an extra $200k - $250k through increased park admissions. They're still spending far more than that on a yearly basis to manage and oversee the introduction. The state of Wyoming obviously could care less about wolf tourist dollars or they wouldn't have made 3/4's of the state a predator zone where wolves could be shot on sight and a trophy area everywhere else around Yellowstone. So what dollars are referring to?
 
We spent 11 days in the snow hunting moose in the bighorns and cut one track that had to be a wolf, locals say they are there but not many yet. I hope anyone does see one and has the chance kills it, I really hate to see them getting started there or anywhere for that matter.

Triple BB as a cattleman I have to take exception to your rant about the cattle industry, what are you using to base your opinion on? I can assure you many of us get no government help and the contribution to the economy of Wyoming is significant.

There are problems between hunters and stockmen by nature of competition at times, but make no mistake about it the livestock industry and hunters have a common interest with wolves and you need them more than they need you.
 
>what are you using to base your opinion on?

It'd be more fact than opinion. The good folks in our State gov't down in Cheyenne put the economic impact/benefit of Wyoming ag at 5% or so. The Econ dept at the University of WY put's that figure closer to 4%. I'll let you investigate if yer a disbeliever in the numbers. By contrast, the extractive minerals industry contributes 50-51% to our State's economy. As for our welfare/socialistic ranching practices, here's a few the rest of us are helping to pay: below cost grazing/leasing of public lands, lower property taxes for ag qualifiers, Fed drought relief, liberal Fed ag tax exemptions, low interest ag loans, the gov'ts emergency feed program, and the Fed's predator control program to mention a few. A few years ago the ag members of our state legislature created a predator control law funded by sportsman dollars and sold it to us hunters on the basis it would help reduce deer/antelope loss when it's real intent was to subsidize rancher predator control. Maybe you don't take a cent. If so, kudo's to you. However, let's kick the rest off who are living on my dime. Let the power of supply and demand determine who stays and who finds employment elsewhere. As for needing ranchers to carry the wolf fight, that's a myth created by yer buddies at the WY Stockgrowers Assoc. What we need is perserverence, a mountain of cash, some damn good attorney's and a lot of luck when Wyoming get's its say one day in front of the US Supreme Court. Ag may be an impetus as to why the State fights this battle, but in the end, ranchers won't have a damn thing to do with it when the legal battle reaches a conclusion. Feel free to refute anything I've noted...
 
You have some valid points, I used to have a USFS allotment and I'll admit what I paid was not what it cost the taxpayer to have me there. that said unless you think steaks come from the store there has to be a producer somewhere if you want to eat, this nation has some of the cheapest and highest qualiity food in the world and that's not by accident. the government programs are intended to keep commodities in oversupply which insures a cheap stabile supply and they work well, the best investment the tax payer has ever made.

Today I still run a few cattle on my deeded but mostly I'm just farming, if the allotment program was elimninated I could make more money without my competition having the cheap grazing that I no longer enjoy. once again those allotments are an old right just like my water rights, you just don't take those things away on a whim.

There is plenty of proof out there game and cattle can co exist and grazing can actually be benificial if done correctly. a war with the stockmen is a war you don't want, they have the political power , they don't like wolves and they can get more sympathy than hunters can , and much of the wintering grounds are their property, they scream enough already do you want more trouble? so there is nothing to be gained here by fighting.

I'm not saying you're all wet because you're not, but you have to pick your battles and if you think the mutt hugger hippies are tough to beat just try taking on the ag industry in rural states. we'll get much better results working together so I hate to hear this kind of talk.
 

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