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In addition to John, the other new Utah Wildlife Board member is Dr. Michael King, a professor at the College of Eastern Utah in Price.
Just FYI: Current board member, Tom Hatch, submitted his resignation this week (effective July 1), so we will actually be looking for an additional board member starting tomorrow. Everyone who was in the last pool of applicants will be automatically included in this pool. This will be a much shorter recruitment period (about two weeks), and it is open to individuals from the northeastern, central, southeastern and southern regions. We want to be able to get someone nominated, selected (by the governor) and confirmed (by the Senate) before the August meeting. We will be sending out a press release tomorrow and doing everything we can to let folks know we're looking for one more person.
Amy Canning
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Utah Division of Wildlife Resources
Just FYI: Current board member, Tom Hatch, submitted his resignation this week (effective July 1), so we will actually be looking for an additional board member starting tomorrow. Everyone who was in the last pool of applicants will be automatically included in this pool. This will be a much shorter recruitment period (about two weeks), and it is open to individuals from the northeastern, central, southeastern and southern regions. We want to be able to get someone nominated, selected (by the governor) and confirmed (by the Senate) before the August meeting. We will be sending out a press release tomorrow and doing everything we can to let folks know we're looking for one more person.
Amy Canning
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Utah Division of Wildlife Resources
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I am okay with 10r being new on the WLB.
He has always been a straight shooter any time I have reachout to him and way before he ever became involved with $FW.
Do not know the other fellow.
Robb
He has always been a straight shooter any time I have reachout to him and way before he ever became involved with $FW.
Do not know the other fellow.
Robb
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"The death star is fully operational........."
That's classic. Where's LUKE when you need him?
That's classic. Where's LUKE when you need him?
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Hope 10r can get in there & GIT-R-DONE!
Kinda like a New president of the United States taking Office though!
A System so messed up it'll be a wonder/miracle if anybody can straighten it out!
Good Luck John & Ruffle some Feathers!
For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!
I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
Kinda like a New president of the United States taking Office though!
A System so messed up it'll be a wonder/miracle if anybody can straighten it out!
Good Luck John & Ruffle some Feathers!
For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!
I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
buglinbilly
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How blind can you people be?
John is simply a puppet of Don Peay. Don placed him there and will pull all the strings.
We now have a board member that can't write, or think on his feet without the help and influence of his MENTOR! (Don Peay)
It's a good thing for strings or that member would be helpless.
What a farce the Broad and that whole process has become under the leadership of Mr. Peay. Shame on Utah for letting this sort of thing happen!
Good luck rubber stamp!
Have a good one. BB
John is simply a puppet of Don Peay. Don placed him there and will pull all the strings.
We now have a board member that can't write, or think on his feet without the help and influence of his MENTOR! (Don Peay)
It's a good thing for strings or that member would be helpless.
What a farce the Broad and that whole process has become under the leadership of Mr. Peay. Shame on Utah for letting this sort of thing happen!
Good luck rubber stamp!
Have a good one. BB
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He's gonna bring some of them 400" Bulls back Boys!
BITE ME!
For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!
I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
BITE ME!
For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!
I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
Un freakin believeable!
What do we need to do to put a stop to this?
In my opion these are most inportant seats in the world of hunting in utah.I think we need to rally together and put a stop to this insanity. What do we need to do to get involved in the nomination process? What can we do to make sure that these positions are filled by people which are voted in not hand picked by the leader of certain org.This is beyond out of controll.It sure as hell makes me realize where we need to focus our efforts if we ever want to take our hunting back.What would we have to do to actualy change the way this whole process is played out?
What do we need to do to put a stop to this?
In my opion these are most inportant seats in the world of hunting in utah.I think we need to rally together and put a stop to this insanity. What do we need to do to get involved in the nomination process? What can we do to make sure that these positions are filled by people which are voted in not hand picked by the leader of certain org.This is beyond out of controll.It sure as hell makes me realize where we need to focus our efforts if we ever want to take our hunting back.What would we have to do to actualy change the way this whole process is played out?
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Seems like this post belongs under the Utah or political forum. Or maybe I am the only person who still frequents this site that hasn't left because of all the whining from Utah so it doesn't matter. It used to be about sharing stories and pics, talking about products, but all it has become is political garbage.
I have an idea. Before posting a complaint toward wildlife management or conservation group validate your complaint by stating what hours/projects/money you have donated in the last year to helping wildlife. This does not include required hours for dedicated hunters. DH hours are not by definition volunteered because you expect and get something in return. You can include hours/money volunteered in helping any organization at banquets or in the field. That way we can see who is sitting on their fat a$$ complaining and who is actually helping.
I have an idea. Before posting a complaint toward wildlife management or conservation group validate your complaint by stating what hours/projects/money you have donated in the last year to helping wildlife. This does not include required hours for dedicated hunters. DH hours are not by definition volunteered because you expect and get something in return. You can include hours/money volunteered in helping any organization at banquets or in the field. That way we can see who is sitting on their fat a$$ complaining and who is actually helping.
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Why is it important to volunteer in order to have valid input?
Are you implying you never criticize a politician unless you have volunteered to help with political fund-raising dinners and go door-to-door campaigning?
Seems there is some skin in the hunting game if you are paying taxes and these wildlife belong to the state. My 2 cents.
Are you implying you never criticize a politician unless you have volunteered to help with political fund-raising dinners and go door-to-door campaigning?
Seems there is some skin in the hunting game if you are paying taxes and these wildlife belong to the state. My 2 cents.
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LAST EDITED ON May-05-11 AT 06:17AM (MST)[p]Calm down fella's.....
Give 10r a chance----
He seems to not vote the 'party way' on his former RAC position...
Granted, it does look hand picked/choosen-----but let's see how it plays out for the next year or two....
I thought Bart Hansen was a shoe in for one of the WLB positions....Pro/Hoyt.....
Robb
Give 10r a chance----
He seems to not vote the 'party way' on his former RAC position...
Granted, it does look hand picked/choosen-----but let's see how it plays out for the next year or two....
I thought Bart Hansen was a shoe in for one of the WLB positions....Pro/Hoyt.....
Robb
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Opportunists are Sweatin like a Whore in Church as We speak!
For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!
I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!
I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
hornkiller
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"Granted, it does look hand picked/choosen-----but let's see how it plays out for the next year or two...."
WE have been for the last 5 years and look were that got us!
Thanks to $.F.W. Now the wolf in the sheep skin will be running it.
WE have been for the last 5 years and look were that got us!
Thanks to $.F.W. Now the wolf in the sheep skin will be running it.
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Sometimes it seems to me that hate and envy run threads in this forum.
I know Jon and I am confident he will stand up for Utah wildlife and hunting. I think we all want that.
I wish him the best.
I know Jon and I am confident he will stand up for Utah wildlife and hunting. I think we all want that.
I wish him the best.
LAST EDITED ON May-05-11 AT 09:39AM (MST)[p]For those of you that might not beaware of the process here is how it works.
Anyone can submit thier name along with a resume to the nominating committee.
The nominating committee is made up of 11 indivuduals
3- Agriculture & Live Stock
2- Non Consumptive
1- Elected Official
1- Federal Land Rep
3- Sportsman Rep's
1- Education/At Large Rep
The committee meets and reviews the applicants. 31 people applied from the Central and 8 applied from the South East.
Of the 39 applicants I believe four names were submitted to the Governor. The Governor then appoints the seat's.
I have known John Bair for a lot of years, several of them before he ever became involved with SFW. John is a pasionate hunter and will do a great job.
Anyone that thinks he will rubber stamp SFW's recomendation's does not know John very well.
John is spirited and contrary to popular belief has a Backbone!
Bill I am disapointed in your attempt to discredit John because of your hatered for Don Peay.
Has anyone ever given any thought to the idea that maybe just maybe John was the most qaulified applicant for the position?
Obvouisley 11 different individuals did, as well as the Governor!
Guy's we live in a free Country if you dont like it get involved and make the changes you believe need to be made. Anyone one of you could have applied or asked someone that you felt was qualified too.
To sit here and cast stones at an individual based on Hersay and Rummor's is ridiculous. Give the guy a chance before making your Judgement!
If you really want to know who John Bair is call him ask him what his opinion's are and how he will base his decisions. Then you can come to and eductated conclusion rather than basing your opinion of him soley on assumption's.
I think you will be suprised on who this guy is. Good luck John and congrats on your appointment to the Wildlife Board!
Troy Justensen
Anyone can submit thier name along with a resume to the nominating committee.
The nominating committee is made up of 11 indivuduals
3- Agriculture & Live Stock
2- Non Consumptive
1- Elected Official
1- Federal Land Rep
3- Sportsman Rep's
1- Education/At Large Rep
The committee meets and reviews the applicants. 31 people applied from the Central and 8 applied from the South East.
Of the 39 applicants I believe four names were submitted to the Governor. The Governor then appoints the seat's.
I have known John Bair for a lot of years, several of them before he ever became involved with SFW. John is a pasionate hunter and will do a great job.
Anyone that thinks he will rubber stamp SFW's recomendation's does not know John very well.
John is spirited and contrary to popular belief has a Backbone!
Bill I am disapointed in your attempt to discredit John because of your hatered for Don Peay.
Has anyone ever given any thought to the idea that maybe just maybe John was the most qaulified applicant for the position?
Obvouisley 11 different individuals did, as well as the Governor!
Guy's we live in a free Country if you dont like it get involved and make the changes you believe need to be made. Anyone one of you could have applied or asked someone that you felt was qualified too.
To sit here and cast stones at an individual based on Hersay and Rummor's is ridiculous. Give the guy a chance before making your Judgement!
If you really want to know who John Bair is call him ask him what his opinion's are and how he will base his decisions. Then you can come to and eductated conclusion rather than basing your opinion of him soley on assumption's.
I think you will be suprised on who this guy is. Good luck John and congrats on your appointment to the Wildlife Board!
Troy Justensen
I agree. My experience of John is that he's an intelligent and sincere guy that speaks his mind. BUT, this does not look good, regardless of John's intentions.
I don't think this is about John's character at all.
http://unitedwildlifecooperative.org
I don't think this is about John's character at all.
http://unitedwildlifecooperative.org
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Maybe he's gone Anti-SFW..?? That'd be a nice change...
"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
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LAST EDITED ON May-05-11 AT 03:34PM (MST)[p]I agree that John is a nice guy, and he is one heck of an auctioneer. However, the concern that people are expressing is well placed and logical. Many of have expressed concern that SFW has become too powerful and exercises too much influence over wildlife management decisions in Utah. People have complained for some time that the Wildlife Board members were merely puppets for SFW and Don Peay, and base their decisions on the SFW agenda. Now, out of 39 applicants, the former SFW Chairman of the Board and auctioneer extraordinaire has been named an actual member of the Wildlife Board.
This is not a personal attack on John. However, it simply does not look good. It furthers the appearance of manipulation, collusion and back room deals. It reminds me of when John drew tags two years in a row at the hunting expo. I never thought for a second that SFW had rigged the drawing process. But I believed then and I still believe now that SFW should avoid those situations because of the appearance of impropriety. The same is true with Mr. Bair?s recent appointment. If the governor had appointed two neutral candidates then at least the Wildlife Board would have the appearance of a neutral body that is truly looking to protect and develop wildlife, and represent the general public.
Let's see how John does in his new position. Personally, I doubt that he will be taking many positions contrary to SFW.
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This is not a personal attack on John. However, it simply does not look good. It furthers the appearance of manipulation, collusion and back room deals. It reminds me of when John drew tags two years in a row at the hunting expo. I never thought for a second that SFW had rigged the drawing process. But I believed then and I still believe now that SFW should avoid those situations because of the appearance of impropriety. The same is true with Mr. Bair?s recent appointment. If the governor had appointed two neutral candidates then at least the Wildlife Board would have the appearance of a neutral body that is truly looking to protect and develop wildlife, and represent the general public.
Let's see how John does in his new position. Personally, I doubt that he will be taking many positions contrary to SFW.
Hawkeye
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>>>>hornkiller (956 posts)
May-05-11, 06:29 AM (MST)
16. "RE: Your new Utah wildlife board member"
"Granted, it does look hand picked/choosen-----but let's see how it plays out for the next year or two...."
WE have been for the last 5 years and look were that got us!<<<<
If you are going to challenge me----
You sure as he** better have more than a cut-n-paste...ya goofball.
I am 90% with ya Troy on your post.....
Robb
Atleast give 10r a chance to sleep in his new bed within the WLB...
May-05-11, 06:29 AM (MST)
16. "RE: Your new Utah wildlife board member"
"Granted, it does look hand picked/choosen-----but let's see how it plays out for the next year or two...."
WE have been for the last 5 years and look were that got us!<<<<
If you are going to challenge me----
You sure as he** better have more than a cut-n-paste...ya goofball.
I am 90% with ya Troy on your post.....
Robb
Atleast give 10r a chance to sleep in his new bed within the WLB...
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Ok pleasedear you got me i cant find It anywhere on the web.
So can you tell me how many tags john has got from S.F.W. since he has been with them?
Or how much of the public land tag money from the expos he has recived?
So can you tell me how many tags john has got from S.F.W. since he has been with them?
Or how much of the public land tag money from the expos he has recived?
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This is good information X-treme / Troy.
"3- Agriculture & Live Stock
2- Non Consumptive
1- Elected Official
1- Federal Land Rep
3- Sportsman Rep's
1- Education/At Large Rep"
What category does Mr Bair fall into?
What on his resume qualifies him for that category?
I hope he knocks it out of the park, and helps guide Utah back to the top Deer and Elk destination.
The problem is, it will be hard to "wait and see"
We just need SEE, we have all waited too long.
My best to John, find out what the hunting community wants, and have the courage to act on it.
"3- Agriculture & Live Stock
2- Non Consumptive
1- Elected Official
1- Federal Land Rep
3- Sportsman Rep's
1- Education/At Large Rep"
What category does Mr Bair fall into?
What on his resume qualifies him for that category?
I hope he knocks it out of the park, and helps guide Utah back to the top Deer and Elk destination.
The problem is, it will be hard to "wait and see"
We just need SEE, we have all waited too long.
My best to John, find out what the hunting community wants, and have the courage to act on it.
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Troy, for you information, I have known John and Don for many years and worked with both way back before the ego and the power thing ever happened. I hate neither as individuals, but do despise many of the things they have both worked to implicate. I do hate the process which Don has cultivated and controls.
I stand on my comments about John. He might be a nice guy as long as you agree with him or if you are on his side of the fence, but if you see things differently or happen to be on the other side of the fence, he talks and treats you like you are a piece of crap. At least he has always done that towards me.
And years ago he used to post, not on this site but on another. He might be the best auctioneer in Utah, but he can't express himself or his thoughts in writing, or even in his speech, at least not to the level that will be required in his new position. Utah has far more qualified people than John Bair to chair that position, but the blueprint that Don controls, will mot allow this to happen.
Don is a very smart guy and knows how to play the politics like few others. I give him credit for that. And I give Don credit for being able to organize and implement his wants, although since ego, power and greed got in the way, Utah?s wildlife and the general sportsmen?s needs have ended up taking the shaft in favor of a small group of wealthy hunters who line his pockets and oil his machine.
You know as well as I do that Don basically has control of the nominating committee. Does he still sit on that board? SFW basically controls who goes on as the sportsman?s representatives and we know they are in bed with cattleman, sheep men and the agriculture interests. So from the start, SFW has 6 of the 11 votes. Do the individuals nominated actually have a face to face interview with the governor or does someone (and who would that be) write recommendations? If it's done by the latter process we both know how easy it is to turn the tables in favor of anyone individual.
I believe we have far better qualified individuals than Mr. Bair in this state for that position! It's nothing personal against John, it's just that he is not as highly qualified, as that position demands. There are many others in this state who are and its sad we don't have a system that will allow that to happen. But as long as we allow SFW to run our state wildlife this will continue to happen!
And I personally think it's a travesty!
Have a good one. Bill Allard
I stand on my comments about John. He might be a nice guy as long as you agree with him or if you are on his side of the fence, but if you see things differently or happen to be on the other side of the fence, he talks and treats you like you are a piece of crap. At least he has always done that towards me.
And years ago he used to post, not on this site but on another. He might be the best auctioneer in Utah, but he can't express himself or his thoughts in writing, or even in his speech, at least not to the level that will be required in his new position. Utah has far more qualified people than John Bair to chair that position, but the blueprint that Don controls, will mot allow this to happen.
Don is a very smart guy and knows how to play the politics like few others. I give him credit for that. And I give Don credit for being able to organize and implement his wants, although since ego, power and greed got in the way, Utah?s wildlife and the general sportsmen?s needs have ended up taking the shaft in favor of a small group of wealthy hunters who line his pockets and oil his machine.
You know as well as I do that Don basically has control of the nominating committee. Does he still sit on that board? SFW basically controls who goes on as the sportsman?s representatives and we know they are in bed with cattleman, sheep men and the agriculture interests. So from the start, SFW has 6 of the 11 votes. Do the individuals nominated actually have a face to face interview with the governor or does someone (and who would that be) write recommendations? If it's done by the latter process we both know how easy it is to turn the tables in favor of anyone individual.
I believe we have far better qualified individuals than Mr. Bair in this state for that position! It's nothing personal against John, it's just that he is not as highly qualified, as that position demands. There are many others in this state who are and its sad we don't have a system that will allow that to happen. But as long as we allow SFW to run our state wildlife this will continue to happen!
And I personally think it's a travesty!
Have a good one. Bill Allard
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I have been in a lot of meetings with John over the years. He speaks his mind. John is a houndsman, an archery hunter, a rifle hunter, he has served for years on the RAC and did a great job, often speaking his mind. He is smart and articulate. He has common sense. You don't need to have a PHD to be one of the sportsmen reps. He knows alot about issues concerning wildlfe and hunting and fishing. John has a passion for hunting and wildlife. He is an excellent pick and will do a great job representing sportsmen imo. Congrats John.
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LAST EDITED ON May-06-11 AT 08:33AM (MST)[p]The anti SFW stuff is gettin kinda old.....
Couple of thoughts
I invite anyone to find an organization that has done more for wildlife than SFW.
Meaning Winter grounds, Habitat restoration, and predator control.
Someone on here ought to be able to do basic math, i would bet SFW stands to make a ton more money with the average sportsman than with big money fellas. 100 guys with 100 dollars is a lot more than one guy with 1000 dollars. There are a lot more sportsmen out there than there are rich dudes......Don and the board are not retards and if it really is a money hungry power machine then the smartest thing to do is get sportsmen on their side......
Just did a quick google, 45 million hunters in the US. $30 membership fee.....grand total.....135 million dollars in membership fees alone.....hmmmm kinda makes the cons tag revenues look paltry.......maybe they aren't after power and money.....if they were thats where to make it not with big money guys.
Jon Bair was the only guy on the central rac with any kind of backbone who won't just rubberstamp proposals and let us all be at the mercy of a government entity that has not shown the greatest of skills lately. Glad someone is in there that will actually ask questions and have something intelligent to offer the board.......
I don't wanna hear 'oh you have swallowed the sfw BS' or 'your naive' crap.....the facts are simple SFW writes checks and does more for wildlife than anyone else.......those who don't like it are just people like anyone else pushing a personal agenda that they deem correct........No different that SFW except most of it is all hot air, at least SFW shows results.....
Again good on Jon for gettin on the board hopefully it means they won't just rubberstamp things now....
Couple of thoughts
I invite anyone to find an organization that has done more for wildlife than SFW.
Meaning Winter grounds, Habitat restoration, and predator control.
Someone on here ought to be able to do basic math, i would bet SFW stands to make a ton more money with the average sportsman than with big money fellas. 100 guys with 100 dollars is a lot more than one guy with 1000 dollars. There are a lot more sportsmen out there than there are rich dudes......Don and the board are not retards and if it really is a money hungry power machine then the smartest thing to do is get sportsmen on their side......
Just did a quick google, 45 million hunters in the US. $30 membership fee.....grand total.....135 million dollars in membership fees alone.....hmmmm kinda makes the cons tag revenues look paltry.......maybe they aren't after power and money.....if they were thats where to make it not with big money guys.
Jon Bair was the only guy on the central rac with any kind of backbone who won't just rubberstamp proposals and let us all be at the mercy of a government entity that has not shown the greatest of skills lately. Glad someone is in there that will actually ask questions and have something intelligent to offer the board.......
I don't wanna hear 'oh you have swallowed the sfw BS' or 'your naive' crap.....the facts are simple SFW writes checks and does more for wildlife than anyone else.......those who don't like it are just people like anyone else pushing a personal agenda that they deem correct........No different that SFW except most of it is all hot air, at least SFW shows results.....
Again good on Jon for gettin on the board hopefully it means they won't just rubberstamp things now....
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Can anyone answer my questions posted below?
"3- Agriculture & Live Stock
2- Non Consumptive
1- Elected Official
1- Federal Land Rep
3- Sportsman Rep's
1- Education/At Large Rep"
What category does Mr Bair fall into?
What on his resume qualifies him for that category?
I hope he knocks it out of the park, and helps guide Utah back to the top Deer and Elk destination.
The problem is, it will be hard to "wait and see"
We just need SEE, we have all waited too long.
My best to John, find out what the hunting community wants, and have the courage to act on it.
"3- Agriculture & Live Stock
2- Non Consumptive
1- Elected Official
1- Federal Land Rep
3- Sportsman Rep's
1- Education/At Large Rep"
What category does Mr Bair fall into?
What on his resume qualifies him for that category?
I hope he knocks it out of the park, and helps guide Utah back to the top Deer and Elk destination.
The problem is, it will be hard to "wait and see"
We just need SEE, we have all waited too long.
My best to John, find out what the hunting community wants, and have the courage to act on it.
backinthegame
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100 guys with $100 dollars is worth more than one guy with $1,000 sure...but not worth more than one guy with $100,000...haha...SFW is so far from looking out for the "Average Joe" hunter...anyone who thinks otherwise is nothing but a fool.
Either way, we'll see how JB does in his new position. Best of luck.
Either way, we'll see how JB does in his new position. Best of luck.
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Just read a comment from the UWC website that brought a thought, why in the world are there non consumpitves on the WB or education/at large....i grasp livestock because of the grazing deal, but why is it that the sportsmen are out numbered on the WILDLIFE BOARD......if they don't put money into the system they should have no right to a say in things.
meaning if they don't purchase hunting licenses then butt out.....
under represented sure but it aint from organinzations.....those are a dime a dozen MDF RMEF UWC SFW FNAWS Wild Turkey Federation you name it and there is a three letter acronym to back it up.......
its kinda like roosevelts new deal whole bunch of things meant to help, but really it took a war to change anything.......for those who know their history ;-)
meaning if they don't purchase hunting licenses then butt out.....
under represented sure but it aint from organinzations.....those are a dime a dozen MDF RMEF UWC SFW FNAWS Wild Turkey Federation you name it and there is a three letter acronym to back it up.......
its kinda like roosevelts new deal whole bunch of things meant to help, but really it took a war to change anything.......for those who know their history ;-)
Bowhunt
John does not fall into any of these category's. That is refering to the people and who they represent on the nominating committee.
I have had the opportunity to read through John's resume. It is pretty impressive.
Bair has served on the Central Rac for 8 years he has also severed on the CWMU, Bear, Mule Deer & the Sanpete Access Committee's
Not only has he been involved with SFW he has also donated hundreds of hours of service with other orginizations ie Timp Archer's & UBA to name a few.
Bill I guess I dont know the same John Bair that you do. The first time I met John was at the Wildlife Board. I do not recall who he was representing, I think it had something to do with bears. I was impressed with his ability to address the board and the manner in which he conducted himself.
I dont know many people that can stand on stage in front of thousands of people next to Jeff Foxworthy and not miss a beat. You make it should like John is a social misfit and unable to function around people.
Your accusations have no base or merit. You dont even have a clue on what you are talking about. For example Don has not been on the nomminating committee for years. May be you should do a little more home work next time on the process and who is involved.Before you accuse someone of something!
You have crossed the line in the personal attacks on Bair's ability. I would encourage you to look through the names of individuals both past and prensent that have served on the Wildlife Board and tell me who he could not compete with. I would be willing to place money that John is as competent and able as any.
Bill who are these people that are more qualified? Did they apply? Are they more qualified based on your opinion?
Like I stated before John went through a committee of 11 individual's along with 38 others and his was one of the names that was passed onto the Governor.
Here is what I find interesting. In the orignal post it says nothing about the other individual that was nomminated to the Board. This tell's me that the post was ment to disparage SFW versus informing M&M members who was appointed to the board.
Does any one know who Mr King is? Is anyone aware that Mr King's former employeer was the DWR!Is this a conflict of interest?
If John's affiliation with SFW is a conflict I dont know why Mr Kings should not be viewed as the same.
Having said that I think both guy's are more than capable and should be allowed to fill the seats to which they were nomminated.
Given enough time I am sure that we could find what is percieved as a conflict with 90% of the people that apply.
Troy Justensen
John does not fall into any of these category's. That is refering to the people and who they represent on the nominating committee.
I have had the opportunity to read through John's resume. It is pretty impressive.
Bair has served on the Central Rac for 8 years he has also severed on the CWMU, Bear, Mule Deer & the Sanpete Access Committee's
Not only has he been involved with SFW he has also donated hundreds of hours of service with other orginizations ie Timp Archer's & UBA to name a few.
Bill I guess I dont know the same John Bair that you do. The first time I met John was at the Wildlife Board. I do not recall who he was representing, I think it had something to do with bears. I was impressed with his ability to address the board and the manner in which he conducted himself.
I dont know many people that can stand on stage in front of thousands of people next to Jeff Foxworthy and not miss a beat. You make it should like John is a social misfit and unable to function around people.
Your accusations have no base or merit. You dont even have a clue on what you are talking about. For example Don has not been on the nomminating committee for years. May be you should do a little more home work next time on the process and who is involved.Before you accuse someone of something!
You have crossed the line in the personal attacks on Bair's ability. I would encourage you to look through the names of individuals both past and prensent that have served on the Wildlife Board and tell me who he could not compete with. I would be willing to place money that John is as competent and able as any.
Bill who are these people that are more qualified? Did they apply? Are they more qualified based on your opinion?
Like I stated before John went through a committee of 11 individual's along with 38 others and his was one of the names that was passed onto the Governor.
Here is what I find interesting. In the orignal post it says nothing about the other individual that was nomminated to the Board. This tell's me that the post was ment to disparage SFW versus informing M&M members who was appointed to the board.
Does any one know who Mr King is? Is anyone aware that Mr King's former employeer was the DWR!Is this a conflict of interest?
If John's affiliation with SFW is a conflict I dont know why Mr Kings should not be viewed as the same.
Having said that I think both guy's are more than capable and should be allowed to fill the seats to which they were nomminated.
Given enough time I am sure that we could find what is percieved as a conflict with 90% of the people that apply.
Troy Justensen
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"<<<<<hornkiller (957 posts)
May-05-11, 06:55 PM (MST)
24. "RE: Your new Utah wildlife board member"
Ok pleasedear you got me i cant find It anywhere on the web.
So can you tell me how many tags john has got from S.F.W. since he has been with them?
Or how much of the public land tag money from the expos he has recived?>>>>>"
Thanks for the follow-up.....hk
I see your point and I too had/have the same concern.
I just feel the WLB position is a completely different topic than the speculation attatched to 10r drawing/recieving those tags.
Bill (buglingbilly) and I stood on the stairs supporting Don and his big plan many years ago-----so I think we have plenty of Historical Knowledge and have been in the game for quite some time......just a heads-up...
Thanks for having patience and composure in your Reply's to us on this and many other $FW related threads/topics Troy.
It isn't easy when there is so much hate and distrust towards all of dkPeays Non-profit orgs....and those under his umbrella...
Robb
May-05-11, 06:55 PM (MST)
24. "RE: Your new Utah wildlife board member"
Ok pleasedear you got me i cant find It anywhere on the web.
So can you tell me how many tags john has got from S.F.W. since he has been with them?
Or how much of the public land tag money from the expos he has recived?>>>>>"
Thanks for the follow-up.....hk
I see your point and I too had/have the same concern.
I just feel the WLB position is a completely different topic than the speculation attatched to 10r drawing/recieving those tags.
Bill (buglingbilly) and I stood on the stairs supporting Don and his big plan many years ago-----so I think we have plenty of Historical Knowledge and have been in the game for quite some time......just a heads-up...
Thanks for having patience and composure in your Reply's to us on this and many other $FW related threads/topics Troy.
It isn't easy when there is so much hate and distrust towards all of dkPeays Non-profit orgs....and those under his umbrella...
Robb
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We would all be a fool to think there are not many people in this state that are much more qualified than Mr. Bair. And that's not to say a thing about the conflict of interest he presents with his close ties to Don and SFW. But that is Don's method of keeping control of things in this state.
He tried to do the same in Idaho, Wyoming, and Arizona but he has been much less successful in pulling the wool over their eyes. Only in this state could it happen the way it has. The good thing is it will come to an end in time as things unravel in time.
Have a good one. BB
He tried to do the same in Idaho, Wyoming, and Arizona but he has been much less successful in pulling the wool over their eyes. Only in this state could it happen the way it has. The good thing is it will come to an end in time as things unravel in time.
Have a good one. BB
Bill
You did'nt answer my questions! Look at Board Memmbers past and present and tell me who John does not stack up against? Are there peole more qualifed than Bair? Of course there is.
The old adage applies here as well "No matter how good you think you are there is always someone better"!
My question is did they apply?
You bring up conflict of interest. This is nothing new look at Mr King.Would not his past employment with the DWR be considered a conflict. What about Lee Howard and UTFNAWS? What about Rick Danvir managing the largest CWMU in the state of Utah.
All of these individuals served on the board!
Like I stated before if we really wanted to we could find a percieved conflict with about anybody who apply's.
I wounder how many other applicants had 8 years of RAC experience and had served on several different committee's dealing with Utah wildlife. How many of them have a back ground in Agriculture, Public Speaking, Rural Utah and have been involved with a number of conservation groups MDF,RMEF,UTFNAWS,UBA,TIMP ARCHER's, WSF & SFW.
His afiliation with SFW did not keep him from being involved or contributing to these other groups.
Him serving on the Wildlife Board will be no different.
Troy Justensen
You did'nt answer my questions! Look at Board Memmbers past and present and tell me who John does not stack up against? Are there peole more qualifed than Bair? Of course there is.
The old adage applies here as well "No matter how good you think you are there is always someone better"!
My question is did they apply?
You bring up conflict of interest. This is nothing new look at Mr King.Would not his past employment with the DWR be considered a conflict. What about Lee Howard and UTFNAWS? What about Rick Danvir managing the largest CWMU in the state of Utah.
All of these individuals served on the board!
Like I stated before if we really wanted to we could find a percieved conflict with about anybody who apply's.
I wounder how many other applicants had 8 years of RAC experience and had served on several different committee's dealing with Utah wildlife. How many of them have a back ground in Agriculture, Public Speaking, Rural Utah and have been involved with a number of conservation groups MDF,RMEF,UTFNAWS,UBA,TIMP ARCHER's, WSF & SFW.
His afiliation with SFW did not keep him from being involved or contributing to these other groups.
Him serving on the Wildlife Board will be no different.
Troy Justensen
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Troy, you just made my point.
"You bring up conflict of interest. This is nothing new look at Mr King.Would not his past employment with the DWR be considered a conflict. What about Lee Howard and UTFNAWS? What about Rick Danvir managing the largest CWMU in the state of Utah."
I will say, that I do feel John is way more qualified, than was Lee Howard. But why was Mr. Howard on that Board in the first place. Yep, it was because of Mr. Peay. He was nothing but a puppet for Don, as will John be and are many of the Board members. Don basically owns the Division, its director, the nominating committee etc. The reason Mr Bair was chosen was because of his past involvement with all you listed. And again that was all controlled by the strings of Mr Peay. Mr. Howard was a good example of that.
Who better to have on the board than Mr. Rick Danvir? Are you unaware of the influence Don has had in promoting and protecting and enhancing the CWMR's? So why not have another right hand man pushing his agenda? Don?s stings might be all camoed up and hard to tell where they connect, but you can dang well bet they are hooked to one his puppets. That's why Utah?s Department of Wildlife is out of it's own control.
Like I mentioned in another post, Don had tried to do this same thing in other states, but he has been unable to arrange his puppets outside of Utah and thus has far less influence in those states.
A good example, to which I speak, are the Expo tags and the money generated from the tags owned by the people of Utah. How did that farce ever come into play? It came into play by a stacked board and by the string pulling of Don on his puppets. There is no other state or no other Wildlife Board that would have approved that sham and not required an accounting of the funds or a directive to which the funds must be used.
There was a huge faction, at that meeting, that was opposed to the convention tags, unless measures were implemented to assure the funds generated, went to help Utah?s wildlife. But somehow, with all that opposition, the board passed its creation with no assurance that Utah?s wildlife would get even one cent. Again I ask how that could happen? It could only occur in Utah where stings are pulled and Don?s agenda get's carried out.
You tell me how otherwise this could happen?
And in my belief, appointing John to that board, only perpetuates and assures the same outcomes and circumstances.
I have seen time and time again, people asking that SFW tell and explain what is happening to all the money raised on the convention tags, but for all these years, not once, has SFW made public where one red dime has been spent. Again I ask you why?
Again this could only happen in Utah. And the reason it happens in Utah is that Don owns the Division and the Board and it will continue to happen until we get new blood on the wildlife board that has NO attachment to SFW or any of his other many affiliates. But that won't and can't happen while Don has his puppets in place. And Mr. Bair is just another of a long line of Don?s puppets that sit on that board.
How hard is that for any of you too see or comprehend?
Have a good one. BB
"You bring up conflict of interest. This is nothing new look at Mr King.Would not his past employment with the DWR be considered a conflict. What about Lee Howard and UTFNAWS? What about Rick Danvir managing the largest CWMU in the state of Utah."
I will say, that I do feel John is way more qualified, than was Lee Howard. But why was Mr. Howard on that Board in the first place. Yep, it was because of Mr. Peay. He was nothing but a puppet for Don, as will John be and are many of the Board members. Don basically owns the Division, its director, the nominating committee etc. The reason Mr Bair was chosen was because of his past involvement with all you listed. And again that was all controlled by the strings of Mr Peay. Mr. Howard was a good example of that.
Who better to have on the board than Mr. Rick Danvir? Are you unaware of the influence Don has had in promoting and protecting and enhancing the CWMR's? So why not have another right hand man pushing his agenda? Don?s stings might be all camoed up and hard to tell where they connect, but you can dang well bet they are hooked to one his puppets. That's why Utah?s Department of Wildlife is out of it's own control.
Like I mentioned in another post, Don had tried to do this same thing in other states, but he has been unable to arrange his puppets outside of Utah and thus has far less influence in those states.
A good example, to which I speak, are the Expo tags and the money generated from the tags owned by the people of Utah. How did that farce ever come into play? It came into play by a stacked board and by the string pulling of Don on his puppets. There is no other state or no other Wildlife Board that would have approved that sham and not required an accounting of the funds or a directive to which the funds must be used.
There was a huge faction, at that meeting, that was opposed to the convention tags, unless measures were implemented to assure the funds generated, went to help Utah?s wildlife. But somehow, with all that opposition, the board passed its creation with no assurance that Utah?s wildlife would get even one cent. Again I ask how that could happen? It could only occur in Utah where stings are pulled and Don?s agenda get's carried out.
You tell me how otherwise this could happen?
And in my belief, appointing John to that board, only perpetuates and assures the same outcomes and circumstances.
I have seen time and time again, people asking that SFW tell and explain what is happening to all the money raised on the convention tags, but for all these years, not once, has SFW made public where one red dime has been spent. Again I ask you why?
Again this could only happen in Utah. And the reason it happens in Utah is that Don owns the Division and the Board and it will continue to happen until we get new blood on the wildlife board that has NO attachment to SFW or any of his other many affiliates. But that won't and can't happen while Don has his puppets in place. And Mr. Bair is just another of a long line of Don?s puppets that sit on that board.
How hard is that for any of you too see or comprehend?
Have a good one. BB
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+1 and very well stated BB!
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"We now have a board member that can't write, or think on his feet without the help and influence of his MENTOR! (Don Peay)"
WHAT????
I don't personally know John Bair, but I'm blown away everytime I hear him speak because of his whit and ability to think quickly on his feet. He seems to have a genuine passion for the sport we all love so I'm glad to see him at the table. There could be a hell of a lot worse!
WHAT????
I don't personally know John Bair, but I'm blown away everytime I hear him speak because of his whit and ability to think quickly on his feet. He seems to have a genuine passion for the sport we all love so I'm glad to see him at the table. There could be a hell of a lot worse!
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Jon is a great man! And for those of you insulting his intelligence on here, it just shows how ignorant some of YOU really are. The Jon I know has an intelligent mind of his own and has never backed down from his PERSONAL view points. I think Jon will be a great asset.
It's always an adventure!!!
It's always an adventure!!!
Tye
I stand corrected on Mr. Kings employment with the DWR. I misunderstood when I was told that he worked with the Division while writting the management plan for Bighorn Sheep and also his work on the Mule deer study.
My Bad thanks for the clarification! Pretty impressive resume.
Bill I dont by into the conspiracy theroy. If you know or you yourself are better suited to serve on the Board I would encourage you to apply or ask those you know to apply.
I dont think Utah is in all that bad of shape when you sit down and really look at the big picture. Yes we have area's that need vast improvement but as a whole Utah is a pretty cool place with alot to offer.
Troy Justensen
I stand corrected on Mr. Kings employment with the DWR. I misunderstood when I was told that he worked with the Division while writting the management plan for Bighorn Sheep and also his work on the Mule deer study.
My Bad thanks for the clarification! Pretty impressive resume.
Bill I dont by into the conspiracy theroy. If you know or you yourself are better suited to serve on the Board I would encourage you to apply or ask those you know to apply.
I dont think Utah is in all that bad of shape when you sit down and really look at the big picture. Yes we have area's that need vast improvement but as a whole Utah is a pretty cool place with alot to offer.
Troy Justensen
LAST EDITED ON May-13-11 AT 08:42AM (MST)[p]Troy,
No worries. I had the same impression and had to go back and read through some things to clarify. His resume is impressive. He should bring a lot to the table. Any way you look at it, it's going to be exciting to see how things shake out with the 3 new guys.
Have a great day,
Tye
http://unitedwildlifecooperative.org
No worries. I had the same impression and had to go back and read through some things to clarify. His resume is impressive. He should bring a lot to the table. Any way you look at it, it's going to be exciting to see how things shake out with the 3 new guys.
Have a great day,
Tye
http://unitedwildlifecooperative.org
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WORKNMAN
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John Bair is a damn good person. I trust him a hell of alot more than I would some of the others that has been on the board. And alot more than many to come after him. John is active in wildlife management, and he really care's.
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WORKNMAN
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>Jon is a great man!
>And for those of you
>insulting his intelligence on here,
>it just shows how ignorant
>some of YOU really are.
> The Jon I know
>has an intelligent mind of
>his own and has never
>backed down from his PERSONAL
>view points. I think
>Jon will be a great
>asset.
>
>
>It's always an adventure!!!
I AGREE!!!
>And for those of you
>insulting his intelligence on here,
>it just shows how ignorant
>some of YOU really are.
> The Jon I know
>has an intelligent mind of
>his own and has never
>backed down from his PERSONAL
>view points. I think
>Jon will be a great
>asset.
>
>
>It's always an adventure!!!
I AGREE!!!
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LAST EDITED ON May-15-11 AT 00:42AM (MST)[p]Billy,
Are you saying that Mr. Rick Danvir was or is a puppet to Don Peay?
I think John will do a great job on the board. He has always seemed to be independently minded and has been serving on the RAC enough to know how the system functions.
Are you saying that Mr. Rick Danvir was or is a puppet to Don Peay?
I think John will do a great job on the board. He has always seemed to be independently minded and has been serving on the RAC enough to know how the system functions.
