Dogs Chasing Deer... Gets Killed

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jAll,

After reading the following article, I think that we all need to get a hold of Officer Edmunds and let him know that we support the action taken by the officer. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=142016

As if the deer didn't need another thing to worry about.

If you support the action taken by the officer, please call and show your support of this action and policy.

Thanks CS
 
A few years ago I found 2 dogs taking down a doe in the middle of winter. I jumped out and emptied my glock at them but at 100 yards I only hit dirt. If I'd only had my rifle that day. I was too late for the deer.
 
I know I'm going to catch a lot of flak from this but what is the difference between a dog attacking a deer and a cougar? I know the obvious is that the dogs were killing for sport not food but then what about us hunters? I'm not saying the deputy shouldn't have intervened but I don't think it was right to shoot the dog either.

J
 
The dog and owner deserved what they got. The difference between a dog and a lion is that the dog has a bowl of kibble back home, and an owner who is supposed to take care of it, including not allowing it to chase around.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-05 AT 02:19PM (MST)[p]Good for him! Bravo!!!!!!
Since I have lived on this chunk of land (going on 10 years) I have shot somewhere around 15-20 domestic dogs that were either chasing deer or cattle. I shot one pit bull right in front of its owner. I had told him to keep that little bastard off of my and my neighbors properties and away from our cattle. One day he got out and the neighbor ran to my fence and yelled at the dog. It had cornered a brand new calf and was standing between it and the cow. I took out the old .250 Savage and opened a hole the size of an orange in that pitbull's head. I promptly returned the carcass to the owner and said that I had found a soulution to his dog getting out. They moved 4 months later! Haahaaaa.... These city folks think that they can move out here and let their critters run free. They are in for a rude awakening.
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Buckmania - I understand your point, however a mountain lion is not a domestic animal. The article is clear about the officer's position, the owner needs to control their animal. It was on public property too which means the dog was out of the owner's control. A dog like this living in Park City - which if you don't know is a town that is trying to exist as quietly as possible right in the middle of the forest (ski resort town)- is an accident waiting to happen. This breed of dog is by nature a hunter and this is a common behavior. It is not the dog's fault - but it is his owner's. The only recourse the officer had was to kill it. The result would have been the same if the dog had been in a sheep or cow herd. In fact this happens all the time the further away you get from the city and nobody complains about it. I guarantee that the outcry would have been a lot greater if it were sheep and the officer didn't kill it - in fact that officer could face discipline up to and including the loss of his job if he didn't. If this officer would have let the dog kill the deer it would have been the same as if he was killing livestock - the only difference is that that deer belonged to the people of the state and not just one individual owner. It would have turned the dog into a definite killer and the next step would have been sheep or cattle (calves of course). Sorry lady - keep your husky in your yard - it could have easily have been hit by a car as by a 12 guage.


ROY
 
Here is a quote from the article that I can't believe a city council woman brough up.

"We may have to look at the sheriff using stun guns so they don't have to shoot to kill. We do it with people, and it's just as appropriate in dealing with animals," she said.

Elliott said residents must be shown respect by county authorities.

"We're going to have to have some customer-service training for our animal-control officers. You'll see this whole thing revamped," she said.

This Elliott lady needs to have her head examined!!! Customer service training, stun guns, what is this world coming to. The article said it was a big buck to boot.

CS
 
Sounds like someone needs to "stun" that council lady what a moron. Best for the town is "vote her" out of office.

Brian
 
I would take my Alaskan Malamute fly fishing with me all the time in Utah's mountains. I always had him on a 50 ft. leash regardless if I was on private property or not. He was always tethered to me and not allowed to run free. I did this for his safety. I don't think it's that hard to have your pet leashed while your in the mountains. You have to be responsible for what actions you're pets(s)do in the mountains. I learned this the hard way. When I was 13 I had to help my dad and a friend of his shoot a pack of wild dogs that were killing his friends sheep. These were dogs that got dropped off in the mountains and left to fend for themselves. A wild dog is just as dangerous as a Coyote or even a mountrain lion. If my dog got loose and had to be shot for chasing and killing wildlife. I would blame myself not the person that had to shoot it. What if it was a child instead of a deer being cornered by this dog? NONE at all!! It would have been shot regardless. I hope they learned a valuable lesson about their pets.
 
Sounds like some of the Kalifornia fruits and nuts have gotten on the city council in Park City.
 
Yeah I agree with the officers actions , that is right up to the point where he took it to the owner . I'd a shot the dog , loaded it and dumped it at the dump . Not sure if people witnessed it , but city families need to be more responsible with pets , or more of these things are gonna happen . I come from 4 generations of ranching , both cattle and yes sheep , and had to shoot stray dogs since I was ten or so .....
 
I KNOW I WILL RUFFLE A FEW FEATHER'S BUT I WOULD HAVE SHOT THE DOG MYSELF. I DON'T LIVE IN PARK CITY BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM MOST OF THE PEOPLE UP THERE. I'M NOT SAYING ALL PEOPLE UP THERE ARE LIKE THAT, BUT I DO WORK WITH ALOT OF PEOPLE IN PARK CITY AND THEY ARE MORE CONCERENED WITH THE ANIMALS THAN THEY ARE WITH PEOPLE. I'M JUST SAYING I WAS NOT SURPRISED WHEN I HEARD THIS ON THE NEWS.

BUGLEMN
 
I hear those things make a real nice rug!!! Great target practice for that upcoming wolf hunt. Ive got an Uncle thats a hunter and a huge dog lover, and he always said "Id shoot my own Dog rather than let him kill a deer" So there ya go......
 
My e-mail to Dave Edmunds:

"Dear Mr. Edmunds,

I am writing this letter in response to the recent
shooting of a dog by one of your deputies.

I would just like to let you know that I support his
and your actions. Pets need to be controlled and have
no business cornering and killing deer (or any other
wildlife). Please continue the good work and know that
people are behind you.

Lucas V. Davis"

And his response:

"Your objective understanding of this incident is appreciated more than you know. Unfortunately, this incident has been sensationalized to the point of absurdity. As you astutely articulated in your e-mail, responsible pet ownership includes accountability. The law is exceedingly clear on this issue. Failure to act is as reprehensible as acting inappropriately. If my deputies would have allowed these dogs to destroy the deer, one could argue (quite convincingly) that my deputies were guilty of malfeasance. We took no sadistic pleasure in destroying
the animal in question; nevertheless, my deputies understand the
meaning of duty.

Sheriff David A. Edmunds."

Well spoken...

-Lucas :)~

http://www.monstermuleys.com/cgi-bin/stories/site.pl?page=lucasdavis10103
 
Here in N. CA. where I live, dogs chasing or harrassing deer are treated like a coyote, they get shot, and the dog owner will be smart not to make a big stink about it.
There is also a U.S. Gov. Code section that deals with dogs harrassing any form of livestock. If the dogs enters the livestock owner's property and is seen harrassing the livestock, the dog can be shot on the spot and the livestock owner can not be charged with any criminal violation and can not be held liable for any civil damages.
That Park City council woman, mentioned above, is the type that would disarm police officers and still expect them to put their lives in danger by apprehending felons using non-lethal tactics. the English Bobby found out that does not work in todays violent world.

RELH

RELH
 
It probably didnt help that the dogs name is Rowdy.
Maybe someone could forward this thread to the sheriff or the deputies to let them know that there are still some sane people around who appreciate the difficulty of what they do.
For my part: GOOD JOB BOYS!
 
>It probably didnt help that the
>dogs name is Rowdy.
>Maybe someone could forward this thread
>to the sheriff or the
>deputies to let them know
>that there are still some
>sane people around who appreciate
>the difficulty of what they
>do.
>For my part: GOOD JOB BOYS!
>

Good idea, I just did......
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-05 AT 05:25PM (MST)[p]A dog that roam's have a greater chance of getting Killed by car or a homeowner. This time it was a deer What if it was another persons little dog who would be right the Dog killing dog or a Officer killing a dog to save another dog,You would have one owner happy that you saved his /her's dog and the other pissed off because you killed their dog to save another. This officer did his job right, Maybe the people in your city don't like it, but you did your job right Thank you for taking a stand even if it's unpoplar.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-05 AT 05:54PM (MST)[p]Do you have the contact info so we can all write them an email or call.

I'd also imagine that the local paper is gonna be full of letters to the editor. We need to let our voices be heard on this one cause this is a long ways from over!

I don't really agree with the way the animal was disposed of, but other than that a big THANK YOU to the officer for doing the right thing!

Now I just wish we could keep the Park City type people out of rural Utah. Between the elitest Park City people, and the illegals we're turning into California around here!
 
I think the officers did a great job as well. Being from Salt Lake it doesn't surprise me one bit how the Park City public/City Counsel member reacted. Park City is like a wanna-be Vail, CO. Nothing but a handful of California Libs that want to change anything and everything while bitching and moaning every step of the way. They "care" about the environment yet most of them have built their homes on prime wildlife habitat. The winter range is the area is disappearing fast and they all drive their SUVs down to Salt Lake to work. Hypocrisy at its finest... And for all the Park City people who have a problem with it, welcome to the Rocky Mountain West! If you don't like it, leave! But enough venting, again, great job officers, keep up the good work!
 
Prism;

THANKS for letting the cat out of the bag. We have been shipping our left wing, bent wrist, die hard liberals out of CA. to states like Utah, colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona. We sent as many as possible to Oregon and Washington, but those states are getting pretty full. we got rid of Robert Redford, and a few others take up residence in Vail, Colorado. Can you help us on finding a place for Jane Fonda. It seems most areas do not want "Hanoi Jane" and we are having a darn hard time in getting rid of her.
Thanks;
RELH
 
Just got done watching Channel 2 news and they had an interview with Officer Edmonds. He looks like he has been hammered on this issue. I really feel for the officers. They did the right thing!!!

I remember the first interview with the lady the day that her dog was killed. She uttered something like, "Hunters get to chase deer around the hills and we don't shoot them. Why did they kill my dog that was chasing them around too."

As you can tell this one really bothers me as liberal america really tries to tie the hands of law enforcement/ military with their political pressure through the liberal media!!!

CS
 
RELH,

You're welcome:) I know there's bound to be a few normal Californians like yourself, but we don't get many of them around here!

BTW-Robert Redford has a small place about 15 minutes from town. It's called Sundance. Every once in awhile he invites a few of his Californian buddies to come up and watch films.

On a more serious side. I didn't mean for my post to be about the cultural differences between places like Park City and the rest of the West.

It's too bad that the dog had to be shot. It's the owners fault. I've seen her on several interviews and she loved the dog, but unfortunately that didn't keep it from chasing deer. Where was the owner when this was taking place anyways?

Did the dog jump the fence in the yard or was she out taking it for a hike and letting it harass deer? Either way it's a bad sad deal, and I hope that people will keep a closer eye on their dogs from now on. I think they'll think twice about letting fido chase bambi!
 
This was an unfortunate incident. I honestly feel bad for the dog...as many have said, the blame should be placed on the irresponsible owner, who should have kept here dog at home or on a leash. The dog was only acting on its natural instincts, and unfortunately paid the price. The owners in all reality killed their own dog by their lack of control over their animal. Whenever I take my dog out, he is never off his leash. I know my dog would probably never hurt a deer(he's kind of a woos), but he sure would chase them around trying to "play"....but Im not willing to run the risk of my dog's playing being interpreted as something else....so he stays right by me.

Being in Law Enforcement, I have come EXTRMELY close to ending a few dogs lives, luckily the situation worked out for everyone involved and the dogs got to live another day. However, I would not hesitate to put down an agressive animal if needed. I feel that this deputy did the correct thing, and if I were in his position, I would have done the same thing. Unfortunately, he will now face public scrutiny for having done his job correctly. If he would have saved a child from an agressive dog, he would be herald as a hero. Now he is scorned(by some....not all :) ) as a cold blooded killer. As for Sherrif Edmunds, he is an all around great guy. I have met him a couple of times and know people who have worked for him or currently work for him. He will defintely fight for his officers in this case, and Im glad to see so many people voicing their support for this deputy and for the Sheriff's Office in general.

Now, the only thing I have issue with is how the dog was disposed of....that is if the reports are correct. I,personally, probably would've tried to handle that part of the incident with a bit more professionalism. I may get some flack for that, but its just the way I feel. But then again, thats the fault of Animal COntrol, not the Sheriff's Office.

If someone can post the link to contact the Sheriff's Office, that would be great. The more support we can give them, the better.

SCOTT
 
I WON'T TOLLERATE 'MUTTS' RUNNING LOSE CHASING MULE DEER!!!

WOULD SOMEBODY TELL THE OWNER IT'S A GOOD THING LAW OFFICIALS GOT THERE BEFORE I DID!!!

THEY CAN CALL ME A BLOOD THIRSTY KILLER IF THEY WANT!!!

I DON'T GO AROUND SHOOTING DOGS!!!

SHOW ME A DOG CHASING BIG GAME & WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM!!!

THE ONLY bobcat GIVING THE OFFICER A BIG THANKS ON PROTECTING US & OUR WILDLIFE!!!
 
I believe here in Washington it's legal to shoot dogs chasing deer?. Once again it's the owners fault not the dogs. The owner should be fined.
 
YOU'RE RIGHT kingfish!!!

I SEEN THE GAL ON THE NEWS THIS MORNING!!!

RANTING & RAVING:WHY DON'T YOU KNOW THEY HUNT DEER WITH GUNS & LICENSES!!!

KINDA LIKE ALOT OF THESE 'PUNK' KIDS THESE DAYS,AS MAD AS YOU GET AT THE KID,IT'S THE PARENTS YOU NEED TO BE MAD AT,FOR THE MOST PART!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WONDERING WHY THESE JOKERS THAT THINK THEY LIVE 'ABOVE THE REST OF US'CAN DO NO WRONG???
 
In Oregon the law states that any domestic animal e.g. Dog, that is harassing wildlife or domestic cattle and such may be taken care of with force. I agree 100% with what the officer did and I personally wouldn't own a dog that chased deer or anything else. This is solely the owners fault.
 
Here's a story of just how vicious a pack of dogs can be - evidently in Florida they are now killing gators!


AP - Sandborn, FL Dec. 21, 2005
Last Saturday an alligator wandered onto private property near

the Sandborn Golf course and met a tragic end. This same gator

had previosly been spotted in a nearby backyard and is believed

to be responsible for the disappearance of cats, chickens and

one unfortuante ostrich. This time, however, the gator

apparently bit off more than he could chew. Using pack hunting

techniques, this pack of dogs pictured below corned the gator

and darting in and out, succeeded in first breaking his legs

and then swooped in for the kill with a strangle hold on his

jugular. The gator died within a few minutes and since the

indicent happened on private property, the dogs are being

hailed as heroes and will probably receive the annual Sandborn

Medal of Service, though Tony Armendariz's painting of the two

fire hydrants within city limits pink may take a close second.

Here's a picture of the grisly incident
















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ROY
 
Roy---I just about fell off my chair I was laughing so hard at your gator joke.

Let me clarify my previous post---I agree with everyone that it is the dog owner that is to blame and since I wasn't there I can't say that it was necessary to kill the dog (i.e. it may have very well been a last resort) so it's impossible for us to question the officer's actions; it's just too bad about the dog that is a pet. Stray and wild dogs are a another story.

Reading the previous posts about the pet owner are fairly irritating and she should be punished by whatever the law allows because of her ignorance but again I still think shooting a domestic dog should be avoided if at all possible.

J
 
Edmunds is a great Sheriff. I support him 100%. The dog and the owner got what they deserved. The small amount of deer that are able to winter in this highly developed ski area deserve a break from the caviar-eating mutts.
 
I agree with what the deputy did, but you can't convince everybody that it is what the right thing. i mean 10 years ago nobody would of given a crap! but now you have all these people moving from back east or what not over here to the west and they dont; understand what needs to be done in situations like this. they are literally detroying all the things that we enjoy doing. take jackson wyoming for example, that place is freakin rediculous now, what was once common place up there is now a crime against humanity, i literally hate it.
and another thing is a post that i found on here that talked about removing the grizzly from the endangered species act, and people petitioning to not let this happen. i looked over the list only to find that the majority of everyone that was against it was from the east coast, why should people back east dictate what needs to be done here in the rockies!! THIS WORLD IS GOIGN DOWN THE TUBE FOR THOSE WHO ENJOY OUTDOOR RECREATION AND HUNTING!
 
Well, I sent him an email and he replied:

"Hey, just wanted to write a letter saying thanks for the service you did you us and our wildlife. It's truly sad that the dog had to be shot, but it's not his fault, it's his owners. You were in the right, and I'm sorry that you're being prosecuted for it. Stay strong and if you want to read some encouraging words, check this site out: http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID6/11359.html



Good work and stay strong, the storm'll pass.



Michael Johnson"

His Reply:

" Your kind words are appreciated more than you could possibly imagine. Sheriff David A. Edmunds."

So he's obviously going through some hell for this. I hope he gets through it and somebody should step up and help him out!

Michael~All Gods creatures welcome... right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.
 
We used to have a small ranch and dogs would always come on our property and kill our animals, but we couldn't shoot them because of neighboring houses. It just amazes me the ignorance of dog owners. Dogs are a lethal weapon, I got 60 stitches in my face, arms and back when I was four and nearly died from a German Shepherd attack. They put 1 1/2 pints of blood back in me. I would shoot a loose dog twice a day and three times on Christmas if it were threatening me, my family, or on my property. Dogs can be great animals too, it's the damn owners that are the sole problem. When your dog is smarter than you are, it's time to hang up the leash...
 
I also sent Sheriff Edmunds an e-mail showing my support.

I hate to say it but it wouldn't surprise me someone of her caliber and IQ trying to sue for pain and suffering. Now that would be bull$hit!

I wonder what peta would think of a domestic dog attacking wild deer? Their stance on this would be quite interesting.
 
ROY,

LMAO!!!

I sent your story and picture to my brother. He lives in Florida.
 

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