Elk tooth data/ Utah
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utahbigbull
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Still waiting. Must not have the funds for it anymore lol.
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Over on the UtahWildlife network I asked the same question and got this response from Amy, the communications specialist, over at the UDWR:
Re: 2010 LE and OIAL harvest reports now online
by Amy ? Mar 28, '11, 12:54
Wasatch wrote:
Hey Amy, any idea when tooth data (age) will be posted for LE elk? The letter that came with the tooth packets said to expect results around Mid February.....It's now nearly April and still nothing. Just wondering.
I just checked on this, Wasatch, and it sounds like the data will be up either sometime this week or early next week. Just look at your account (the same place you log in to view your drawing history) and it should be listed there within the next 5-10 days.
Re: 2010 LE and OIAL harvest reports now online
by Amy ? Mar 28, '11, 12:54
Wasatch wrote:
Hey Amy, any idea when tooth data (age) will be posted for LE elk? The letter that came with the tooth packets said to expect results around Mid February.....It's now nearly April and still nothing. Just wondering.
I just checked on this, Wasatch, and it sounds like the data will be up either sometime this week or early next week. Just look at your account (the same place you log in to view your drawing history) and it should be listed there within the next 5-10 days.
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patientlywaiting
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Just checked on my wife's bull on their website. It still says tooth data "unavailable".
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rackman
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Ya mine is still unavailable as well.
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dleonard3
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You mean I'm going to have to hold my breath 2-7 more days minimum? I'm already turning blue.
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What she meant by 5-10 days is actually when I get to it...Don't hold your breath, it may be more like 5-10 months...
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-11 AT 02:04PM (MST)[p]My info is up............I'm in shock!
I figured my bull was 6-7 years old, but they say my bull was only 4 years old. I guess that explains why he was hangin out with all those cows - Mama's boy.
It'll be interesting to see what the ages of all the other bulls taken off of the Monroe mountain was this year. I'll bet it was way down and didn't meet up with the age objective the DWR has set for this unit.
I figured my bull was 6-7 years old, but they say my bull was only 4 years old. I guess that explains why he was hangin out with all those cows - Mama's boy.
It'll be interesting to see what the ages of all the other bulls taken off of the Monroe mountain was this year. I'll bet it was way down and didn't meet up with the age objective the DWR has set for this unit.
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dleonard3, i am with you....4 years????? i think they must have switched info on ya.
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dleonard3
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Ya, he looks like a 4-5 year old to me. He's a real pretty bull, where did you get him?
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Now way possible that is a 4 year old bull dleonard3. More like 8 or so. I am betting they messed up your data. Nice bull by the way...
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-11 AT 03:17PM (MST)[p]My bull was 9 years old. Taxidermist and I thought for sure it would be in the 12-14 range. His ivories were so worn out that they were hardly worth pulling. One of the oldest bull my taxidermist had seen and he has been in the business for a while...
I have to wonder how accurate their results are after seeing dleonard3 results.
I have to wonder how accurate their results are after seeing dleonard3 results.
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my bull was 9. I was guessing 7 or 8.
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-11 AT 07:14PM (MST)[p]
Just what I figured on mine, 4 years old. He had very little tooth wear and wasn't a heavy weight on the body size. He was battle scared all over his face and neck so figured he was just a young punk pick'n fights.
Just what I figured on mine, 4 years old. He had very little tooth wear and wasn't a heavy weight on the body size. He was battle scared all over his face and neck so figured he was just a young punk pick'n fights.
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Just checked mine and it is there too...
My bull was 8 years old.
My bull was 8 years old.
I always laugh when people complain about how long it takes to get age results. DWR doesnt do it just to let you know how old your animal is, they use it for management. You should feel lucky that they would even take the time to provide the information when it really isnt necessary for them to do it.
Dleonards bull sure looks like a 4 year old to me. Yeah, the data is accurate.
Elkhunter96--those book cliff bulls eat a ton of brush and it wears their teeth faster than other places. Yeah--the data is accurate.
Tooth wear isnt a very good determination of age and neither is antler size. I killed a 370" bull that was a 6 year old. elkhunter96's bull is a few years older and wont score close to that. Annual cementum analysis it the only sure-fire way and yeah it is pretty accurate.
Dleonards bull sure looks like a 4 year old to me. Yeah, the data is accurate.
Elkhunter96--those book cliff bulls eat a ton of brush and it wears their teeth faster than other places. Yeah--the data is accurate.
Tooth wear isnt a very good determination of age and neither is antler size. I killed a 370" bull that was a 6 year old. elkhunter96's bull is a few years older and wont score close to that. Annual cementum analysis it the only sure-fire way and yeah it is pretty accurate.
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Just got mine back as well, My taxi estimated the bull to being 10, due to his ivories being so worn down. Well he ended up being 8. Here is a pic for you to look at.
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14!! wow I killed a bear that was 16, this is one old critter.
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Just got my Monroe Archery bull back--7 years old.
to crazy: there have been pics of him on here since i shot him in sept. 2008. wasatch early rifle. they kind of come and go. he was runner up in 08 big bull contest on this site. it is a good picture of him. he scored 342, which is respectable. but he looks way bigger than that in the pic. thanks though. it was a blast.
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9 years old 2010 Wasatch Archery
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I just got my results back. They say my bull is 11. Kind of a shocker to me.
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Just checked him out and found out he's 11. I knew he was old but not that old.
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I have looked at pretty extensive data sets for both elk and and deer comparing age and Boone and Crockett score. The results were the same for both species, after the first couple years age is not a good predictor of score. There is not a strong correlation between age and Boone and Crockett score in mature bucks or bulls.
I think genetics play the largest role in determining how big a bull will be. I really believe that many bulls will never score over 320-330 no matter how old they get or how well they eat. Some bulls will score 400 if they live to maturity, just the same as some humans will be 7 feet tall if they live to maturity. Other bulls will never measure up, just like no matter how long I live or how well I eat I will never be 7 feet tall.
People complain that the "quality" has decreased on many UT units, yet at the same time the average harvest age has increased on those same units (i.e. the Wasatch). I think both sportsmen and the age data are correct. Utah's elk management plans aren't designed to manage for bulls that score in a certain range, only to manage for bulls that are of a certain age. They are not the same thing.
Great to see these pics, thanks to the successful hunters for sharing, and congrats on the bulls.
Dax
There is no such thing as a sure thing in trophy mule deer hunting.
I think genetics play the largest role in determining how big a bull will be. I really believe that many bulls will never score over 320-330 no matter how old they get or how well they eat. Some bulls will score 400 if they live to maturity, just the same as some humans will be 7 feet tall if they live to maturity. Other bulls will never measure up, just like no matter how long I live or how well I eat I will never be 7 feet tall.
People complain that the "quality" has decreased on many UT units, yet at the same time the average harvest age has increased on those same units (i.e. the Wasatch). I think both sportsmen and the age data are correct. Utah's elk management plans aren't designed to manage for bulls that score in a certain range, only to manage for bulls that are of a certain age. They are not the same thing.
Great to see these pics, thanks to the successful hunters for sharing, and congrats on the bulls.
Dax
There is no such thing as a sure thing in trophy mule deer hunting.
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You are correct in your statments however i am going to add a few more things. When this state manages for almost 100% success with a rifle in the rut they are basically giving the green light to shoot those 7 footers, 6'5, and 6'0 footers out every year and leaving the still old but 320 5'8 footer bulls to do the breading. It doesn't take long and you will have a genetic pure 320 short bull herd IMHO.. Then the pro 400" crowd will sit around thinking wth happened to the quality in Utah. They will say they give out way toooo many tags and their right they give out toooo many of the wrong tags. Now if Utah slashed those rifle rut tags and gave them to a lesser weapon the opportunity is still there however maybe some of those 7 footers will make it another year.
I'm also against shooting the spikes before they ever have a chance to become a 7 footer. Shooting the spikes makes the pool shallow for drawing a 7 footer. Its the samething as trying to get a 7 footer out of Eureaka high school. You have a better chance getting a 7 footer out of Alta high school because the pool is larger.
You are correct in your statments however i am going to add a few more things. When this state manages for almost 100% success with a rifle in the rut they are basically giving the green light to shoot those 7 footers, 6'5, and 6'0 footers out every year and leaving the still old but 320 5'8 footer bulls to do the breading. It doesn't take long and you will have a genetic pure 320 short bull herd IMHO.. Then the pro 400" crowd will sit around thinking wth happened to the quality in Utah. They will say they give out way toooo many tags and their right they give out toooo many of the wrong tags. Now if Utah slashed those rifle rut tags and gave them to a lesser weapon the opportunity is still there however maybe some of those 7 footers will make it another year.
I'm also against shooting the spikes before they ever have a chance to become a 7 footer. Shooting the spikes makes the pool shallow for drawing a 7 footer. Its the samething as trying to get a 7 footer out of Eureaka high school. You have a better chance getting a 7 footer out of Alta high school because the pool is larger.
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SW, you are right on.
I still laugh about the rational for getting rid of the management bulls tags because too many management bull hunters were shooting "young bulls with potential". Now instead of management bull tags that could be regulated to specific units and to a specific harvest we pretty much have statewide spike hunting. Spike hunters are not limited to a specific unit, there isn't any way for biologists to focus that harvest where it is needed.
The management hunts weren't perfect, but they burned peoples elk points, allowed for some management of trophy quality, and gave biologists more control. Critics complained about management bull hunters killing "young bulls with potential" or broken bulls, now there are hoards of spike hunters out there killing "young bulls with potential" and the DWR has far less control over how many they kill or what unit they hunt.
Dax
There is no such thing as a sure thing in trophy mule deer hunting.
I still laugh about the rational for getting rid of the management bulls tags because too many management bull hunters were shooting "young bulls with potential". Now instead of management bull tags that could be regulated to specific units and to a specific harvest we pretty much have statewide spike hunting. Spike hunters are not limited to a specific unit, there isn't any way for biologists to focus that harvest where it is needed.
The management hunts weren't perfect, but they burned peoples elk points, allowed for some management of trophy quality, and gave biologists more control. Critics complained about management bull hunters killing "young bulls with potential" or broken bulls, now there are hoards of spike hunters out there killing "young bulls with potential" and the DWR has far less control over how many they kill or what unit they hunt.
Dax
There is no such thing as a sure thing in trophy mule deer hunting.
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Just looked at my data. I was suprised to find out that my Fishlake bull was 6 years old. We thought he would be 4 or 5.
