My Deer Proposal

[UThunting]

Dont make this harder then it needs to be look at Colorado
1. 4 sesasons

2. More units

3. Better managment

The units we have right now could be broke into smaller units and managed a lot better

early seasons tags would be for the people that want to get out and hunt every year and there would be more tags for this hunt. these would be eary hunts that would have a smaller chance of success but would be a better chance of drawing year after year. Then we need a later season with less tags that would maybe go into early november somthing like oct 28 to nov 3. there would be less tags less presure but you might not be able to get this tag year after year. then there would be the true trophy tags mid november VERY FEW tags might take 7 to 10 years to draw but when you draw you would be in the field with a lot less hunters and the deer would be more in the rut and moving around in the snow...

Thats my 2 cents

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah

 

[blazingsaddle]

UThunting- I can see where the rut hunt would fall in, but where would you fit the other 3 seasons, with the archery hunts and the muzzy hunts and all the elk hunts we have?

Heres my proposal-

Keep the 97000 deer tags. Take 10,000 rifle tags, and give them to muzzy and archery hunters. Lowering harvest rates.

Close some roads during hunts, or limit atv use in certain areas during hunts.

Mandatory harvest reporting.

Hunters must purchase a yearly 5 dollar habitat stamp, and 100% of that goes directly into habitat.

Allow a hunter to apply for only a deer tag or a point, not both.

 

[cabinfever]

+1 Clynt

 

[UThunting]

blazingsaddle

Unit by unit would need to be looked at. as some units would be better as early archery or muzz tags and others might be better late archery and muzz areas I think there should be some trophy Archery hunts in November and alos some late Muzzloader tags.

I can see the Bear River Bird Refuge being a good Idea for Archery hunters late in november maybe into December as we would not want rifle hunters out there with lead and long range firearms. And I can see Some of the wasatch front being good for Muzzloaders and other parts better for archery.

Once these areas are figured out it is simple

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah

 

[vectrix34]

I like the more seasons and more units.

I would like to see the hunts moved back a few weeks the archery season should be moved back to sept for deer and elk then the rifle for 2 seasons early and late then the muzzy.

If there were 12 to 15 units and a few more limited entry units and in most units there was a 3 or 4 point or better rule in my oppion and some others ive talked to there would be more bigger bucks in afew years.

Making some roadless areas during the hunts in some areas would help to dont get me wrong i like the 4 wheelers as much as the next guy but reducing 4 wheelers would make it a little harder to hunt and help herds in the long run, its worked in Wyoming.

Ultametly every one wants to hunt every year we just need something to happen in utah to help the deer population .

 

[thebuckstopshere]

I gotta chime in with my simple proposal I guess:

1- Keep Five Regions in Utah as it has been for the last 15 years.

2- Keep the same number of archery tags as there are now, but divide them over regions just like everyone else and make the archers pick a region.

3- CUT (ie gone) 10,000 rifle tags (Im a rifle hunter) 2,000 from each region. If needs be, increase tag costs for LE and GEN to offset the revenue loss.

4- This goes against everything I love, but make the GEN rifle hunt five days throughout the State.

Dead bang sure you will see quality increase at a minimal loss of opportunity and no loss of revenue!!!

 

[thebuckstopshere]

And if that don't work, +1 for Clynt.

Also, if anyone from the DWR reads this - I am a member (for now) of SFW - but please someone explain to me how under the SFW's plan there is no loss of opportunity. I hope you guys and gals at the DWR realize that losing the land you hunt on to a high dollar hunt is in fact a LOSS OF OPPORTUNITY.

 

[UThunting]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-08 AT 02:51AM (MST)[p]Archery deer
Sept 1st to the 20th in most units

Muzz deer
Sept 21 to Sept 31 in most units

Rifle deer
Oct 10th to the 17th most units NOT on Wasatch front

Late trophy Archery wasatch front
November 1 to November 30th

Late Muzzloader deer
November 15 to November 30th NOT the wasatch front

Late trophy Rifle deer NOT the Wasatch front
Oct 20th to November 10th

Also some Archery deer hunting should be open to some of are wetlands like the Bear River Bird Refuge

Here is what Utah did in past years

 

[UThunting]

How do we break up the units

Northern Utah
0 Wasatch Front
1 Box Elder
2 Cache
3 Kamas
4 North Slope

North east
5 South Slope
6 Nine Mile anthro
7 Wasatch Mtn

South East
8 Range Creek
9 San Rafael
10 La sal Mtn
11 San Jaun
12 Manti Manti

Central Reg
13 Manti Nebo
14 Wasatch Mtn Central Reg
15 Oquirrh Stansbury

Southern Region
16 Southwest Desert
17 Fillmore, Pahvant
18 Beaver
19 Monroe
20 Mount Dutton
21 Plateau, Fishlake/Boulder
22 Kaiparowits
23 Panquitch Lake
24 Zion

Some of these smaller units would need help from land owners to make this work. Like Kamas and Zions. As there is little access for public hunting on those units. Maybe we should look into a access like Idaho, Wyoming, Kansas and Montana have or maybe give some tags to landowners if they will open access to the public


Sorry I do not do well at 3 am when I cant sleep so I just sit here thinking what can I type Next Sad thing is I feel this plan would work but I also know that everyone thinks there a Biologist and I am included

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Ut

 

[Big_uns]

Right now currently, the UDWR has the entire state broken down into 40 deer management units!!! The entire state/units have their own objectives and buck to doe ratios............Although they are not HUNTED accordingly, they are hunted by REGION which clearly would be an easy fix!!!! How do you successfully manage a herd on a unit that is thrown into a region mix!!!!

I am no rocket scientist but seems pretty cut and dry to me!!!

 

[blazingsaddle]

Micro managing makes some sense, but the division feels like they know where animals are being taken and where people hunt.
My negativity towards micro units is its a step in making tags harder to get, and also hunter recrutment, we WILL loose hunters if we micro manage.
Remember you don't manage a herd by killing the bucks, you do it by killing does. Killing bucks has little affect on a herd health. So if the piont of micro managing is to help the herd health in certain areas, then it won't work.
If the point of micro managing tis to grow bigger bucks, and you RESTRICT hunters, it will work to get more "trophy bucks". In other words more "trophy" hunting, witch means less hunting.

 

[tooele]

I certainly think the 5 day hunt should be ruled out, as this has been conclusively shown to increase the harvest and pressure, as people don't spread out their hunting days, they take the whole 5 days off and hunt hard. Give people a couple of weeks that ways they hunt hard the first 2 days then ride the roads the rest of the time, lowering harvest rates. Stop auctioning so many of the publics tags (funny how no other state has followed suit), increasing opportunity. Charge a habitat stamp fee, Create 15 units to hunt. Create 3 seasons, with 3rd season being in limited units and in the rut with very few tags.

T

 

[thebuckstopshere]

Tooele, my experience with the five day hunt in the Southern region is exactly the opposite of what you stated happens.

My experience is that while some may take all 5 days off and "hunt hard" that there actually are not that many that stick it out all five days. My experience is that many more yearling bucks are passed and that this is paying dividends in the Southern region.

 

[tooele]

So you are seeing bigger and better bucks as a result of the 5 day hunt, or is the natural cycle that the herds undergo with draught, predators etc? Remember there is a natural 10 + or - cycle just like with rabbits. If them switching to a 5 day hunt corresponds to the cycle it may seem that it is the 5 day hunt that makes a difference, when it would have occurred with or without it. They have taken pretty good looks at this one and I thought we had concluded that shorter hunts=more pressure and higher harvest vs. a spread out hunt with the same number of tags?
T

 

[MBM]

>LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-08
>AT 02:51?AM (MST)
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>Archery deer
> Sept 1st to the 20th
>in most units
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>Muzz deer
> Sept 21 to Sept 31
>in most units
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>Rifle deer
> Oct 10th to the 17th
>most units NOT on Wasatch
>front
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>Late trophy Archery wasatch front
> November 1 to November 30th
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>Late Muzzloader deer
> November 15 to November 30th
>NOT the wasatch front
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>Late trophy Rifle deer NOT the
>Wasatch front
> Oct 20th to November
>10th
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>Also some Archery deer hunting should
>be open to some of
>are wetlands like the Bear
>River Bird Refuge
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How would the elk hunt dates fit into this schedule? Would they need to be rearanged too? With the dates above the Archery and the ML deer hunt would be going on the same time as the limited entry any weapon elk on some units.