Winter Kill Outragious!!!!Utah

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I was up ice fishin on echo res in utah and seen a couple dead deer and a cow elk off the road...Also seen alot of alive elk and deer Up higher on the mtn..I thought i would walk around the lower part of the mtn just off the main road see if i could find any sheds...In 1 hour I found 6 dead elk 46 dead deer,and one deer that was still suffering and could bearly walk..Im pretty sure this is the echo wildlife mgt area..Is this normal to see up here? I have shed hunted alot of wildlife areas and never once found this many dead animals in such a close distance.They are all within a half mile radias..The winter snow didnt get as bad as a few years ago did it?These animal didnt look like they were poached.But all of them died this year.You can see probably 10-15 just off the main road around echo res.It's sick to see that many dead animals so close..Should i notifythe DWR? And No I wasnt spooking any deer as they looked to be having a hard enough time already.........

Have anyone been seeing any winter kill in other parts of the state??..

Elknr.
 
Yes notify the dwr. Tell them the shed hunting sucks in the middle of the winter, and for some reason animals are dying. I've heard it's getting more and more common for guys to be finding dead deer while out shed hunting. Not sure why? Too bad we don't have a few more shed hunters out there keeping an eye on these deer.



"Dear MacGuyver, Enclosed is a rubber band, a paper clip, and a drinking straw. Please save my dog." Peter Griffin aka The Family Guy
 
Everyone needs to email the fish and game tell them to feed the deer cheap a$$ state take all our money and just stand there when they get slammed with snow. All that money from the expo would be nice to see some fencing going up along our roads also ya that will never happen.
 
What a waste! Sounds like we can add a few more lions and not effect overall the deer population a bit!!
 
>For some reason I thought shed
>hunting started May 1st?
>
>Robb


It does....& you can do it right from your ATV!!! anywhere you can get it to fit!
 
For some reason I thought shed hunting started May 1st?
Robb
He wasn't picking them up he was just scouting for later. LOL

That's a lot dead deer and elk to find in a small area it could of been they got trapped in that area due to too much snow and couldn't travel out that area. But give DWR a call they should at least look at them to see what happen.



"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-08-11 AT 08:52AM (MST)[p]>I thought
>i would walk around the
>lower part of the mtn
>just off the main road
>see if i could find
>any sheds

ALL ACCESS(especially Shed hunting)is prohibited on the WMAs until mid April. There are signs everywhere. I really hope you were just walking on the side of the road and not the hills above the road. If so, you may have just earned yourself a hefty fine and a lot of disrespect.
 
HLB, I believe most WMA are closed to motorized travel only
right now..And foot or horse travel is fine.
IF NOT,,I saw at least 25+ vehicles parked over the weekend
on 4 different WMA's.....they were parked at access points
going in on foot shed hunting...I couldn't believe how many
there were.

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I'm 100% sure that the Northern Utah WMAs (East Canyon, Henefer/Echo, and Middle fork) are closed to ALL ACCESS until April 9th. This is the case every year. This is critical winter range for deer and elk and they can't handle the stress of people using the WMA at that time of year.

I scout this area all winter long. There are signs on every access point of every WMA I mentioned. It's unethical and illegal to be in those areas right now.

Which area did you see 25+ trucks parked at???
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-08-11 AT 11:10AM (MST)[p]How is it any more unethical to be looking for sheds on a wma when guys have been pounding the living daylight out of winter ranges all across northern Utah for months.

Wyoming has to be laughing right now after sending all the pressure back to Utah. Utah is potentially going to cut it's tags by over 10% and rewrite it's deer hunting management, but it still allows shed hunters to chase animals all over the winter range. Brilliant.

"Dear MacGuyver, Enclosed is a rubber band, a paper clip, and a drinking straw. Please save my dog." Peter Griffin aka The Family Guy
 
>How is it any more unethical
>to be looking for sheds
>on a wma when guys
>have been pounding the living
>daylight out of winter ranges
>all across northern Utah for
>months.

The difference is that the state has purchased these lands (WMAs) because they hold very large numbers of wintering game. These lands are classified as "Critical Winter Range".

Yes, it is unethical to pressure deer on any winter range. But on these WMAs it's not only unethical, but ILLEGAL.

Shed hunting will not affect the big game at all when done correctly. It's when people jump the gun and get out too early that things get out of hand. If the snow melts and the deer move up in elevation, hiking around where they were is fine. But right now we still have a bunch of snow in Northern Utah and the herds are suffering big time just with that. The last thing we need is people pushng them around right now.
 
HJB, Just spoke with the DWR,,,,
All the WMA in this area are only closed to motorized travel.
Foot and horses OK,,,,Just try to not disturb the wildlife.

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Should'nt this be in the "Utah" forum?

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
 
I'm not sure the person you talked to knows what the hell they are talking about goofy elk. I have participated in the WMA opener for 5+ years. They are closed! Nobody should be in there after the cow elk hunts are over January 31st. There are big yellow signs all over the unit That give the closeure dates and opening dates.
The WMAs I mentioned are closed to Motorized vehicles all year round. You can never drive in there, it's all foot or horse travel. There have a been a few years that they have let cow elk hunters hunt up there with atvs, but that's it.

I know there are other WMAs in other parts of the state with different rules, but the ones I mentioned are for sure closed.
Which office did you call and who did you talk to???
 
I just called the office in Northern Utah and the lady said nobody has called about the WMAs today and they are totally closed to any access whatsoever. She also called the local officer and told him to go up and check it out.

Not sure who you talked to Goofyelk.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-08-11 AT 12:42PM (MST)[p]I read this thread and then out of curiousity did a simple search on the net by punching in "Utah Shed Hunting Regulations". The following is just one fact sheet put out right by your DWR a few days ago, so it would appear to me that the original poster was in violation of the shed law in effect this time of year in what appears to be any part of the state, regardless of whether it's a WMA or not. Did any of you guys know about this law because I don't think anyone mentioned it? I also read one full page of people griping about this "stupid law" and there were only a couple people who responded on it that knew why it was in effect. It sure sounds like Utah needs to get with the program that Wyoming has and enforce it like they do! The animals have enough trouble during the Winter and early Spring out there without aholes going all over disturbing them!!! Just my thoughts on this subject as an outsider from MI!!! Here is the article:


Posted Thursday, 03 March 2011 16:16

Antler hunters: Stay on roads and trails
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The warmer weather is bringing more and more people into Utah's backcountry. But many of these folks aren't hiking or mountain biking?they're "hunting" for shed antlers.


This photo shows the damage trucks, jeeps and off-highway vehicles can do when they're taken illegally off-road.

Photo by Brent Stettler
Every spring, shed antler hunters comb Utah's backcountry, looking for antlers that have dropped from the heads of deer, elk or moose.

These animals shed their antlers every winter as part of their life cycle. Finding their antlers is a fun way to beat "cabin fever" and enjoy Utah's backcountry in the spring.

If you decide to look for shed antlers this spring, remember to look for them only on foot. Keep your off-highway vehicle and truck only on roads and trails that are open to their use.

If you take your OHV or truck off of legal roads and trails, you can do serious damage to the habitat that deer, elk and other wildlife rely on.

Muddy and soft

Because the ground is muddy in the spring, it's easy for vehicles to leave deep tracks this time of the year. Those tracks erode the soil. And that erosion reduces the ability the land has to support deer, elk and other wildlife.

The scars that are left also take years to heal. The tracks are an eyesore that causes people to further oppose OHV use and shed antler hunting.

Look for sheds on foot

If you'll follow some simple rules provided by the Division of Wildlife Resources, you can have fun collecting shed antlers without damaging the landscape and causing animals stress:

Once you arrive at your shed antler hunting area, park your vehicle and hunt for shed antlers on foot.
Once you've found some antlers, pack them to the nearest road. Then leave them near the side of the road until you can drive back to pick them up.
Please leave the area as good as you found it. Don't be responsible for more land closures and vehicle restrictions in Utah.

Don't pick them up

As you're collecting antlers, please remember that you may not collect antlers that are still attached to the skull.

This restriction was enacted after DWR conservation officers discovered people were shooting trophy animals on their winter range. In the spring, they'd return and retrieve the heads and antlers of the animals they had poached.

If officers stopped and questioned them, they would simply say that the animal the head and antlers belonged to must have died of natural causes, and they were lucky to find its antlers.

Telling a shed antler from an antler that's still attached to a skull plate or that's been broken off of a skull plate is easy:

Shed antlers?which are legal to possess?have a rounded base, commonly called a button or burr.
Antlers that are attached to a skull plate or that have been broken off of a skull plate do not have this button or burr. And you may not possess them legally.
Free shed antler course

If you want to gather shed antlers in Utah between now and April 15, you must complete a free shed antler gathering course first.

If you wait until April 15 or later to gather antlers, you don't need to complete the course.

The free course is available at wildlife.utah.gov/shedantler.

After you finish the course, make sure you print a certificate that shows you've completed the course. "And make sure you carry your certificate with you," says Mike Fowlks, Law Enforcement Section chief for the DWR. "By law, you must have your certificate with you while you're gathering shed antlers."

If you have young children, and you've completed the course, your children don't need to complete it. As long as you've completed the course, your certificate will cover your kids too.

Fowlks says if you complete the course, you can gather antlers across Utah. "Please remember, though, that many of the state's wildlife management areas are closed in the spring to protect wildlife," he says.

For more information, call the nearest Division of Wildlife Resources office or the DWR's Salt Lake City office at 801-538-4700.
 
Its the Springville office,,,,And the south central WMA's
I saw everyone on over the weekend, are open to Non-motorized
travel.


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Like I said. Please notify the dwr of all the winterkill you found while out shed hunting a closed area.

Utah needs more dedicated shed hunters out tromping the hills to keep an eye on things.

"Dear MacGuyver, Enclosed is a rubber band, a paper clip, and a drinking straw. Please save my dog." Peter Griffin aka The Family Guy
 
I think the poster is yanking our chain. I highly doubt there is that much winter kill. road kill maybe! This winter really hasn't been that bad around morgan henefer echo. Yes lots of snow but we have had good meltoff. Nowhere near the winter kill a few years ago!
 
That could be, but if there are aholes out there running them all over the place they get behind in calorie intake quickly that they need to make it and that could probably push them to the brink IMO.
 
This is a friendly reminder from a DWR Representative: HENEFER/ECHO, EAST CANYON, and MIDDLEFORK WMA'S ARE CLOSED TO EVERYONE UNTIL APRIL 9 2011(SECOND SATURDAY IN APRIL). ANYONE CAUGHT ON THE WMA'S WILL BE ISSUED A CITATION.

IF YOU'RE UNSURE OF SEASONS OR CLOSURES PLEASE CALL YOUR NEAREST DWR OFFICE.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-08-11 AT 02:44PM (MST)[p]Well, elknr just confessed, "I thought i would walk around the lower part of the mtn just off the main road see if i could find any sheds...Im pretty sure this is the echo wildlife mgt area", in the original post! Issue a citation please, some idiots will never pay attention or even care to.

Prime example why many in Utah are referred to as Utards!

Joey
 
FYI,

I live in Wanship and have been feeding the deer for the past 5 years, some years as much as 150,000 pounds of feed at my own expense, there are several people in our area that help feed every winter, this year has been pretty hard on the Deer and the best thing to do is leave them alone! we have 1 more month before we are out of the words so please respect the shed laws.
Thank you
 
>Utah needs more dedicated shed hunters
>out tromping the hills to
>keep an eye on things.

We need more shed "hunters" like we need another 29 micro units! The shed hunters I've met are zealots who should be stripped of their hunting opportunities. Chasing and harassing deer/elk in the heart of the winter so they can claim "I found it FIRST!"??? Hardly a sportsman. Using the term "hunter" is not what I'd attach to that person. Prospector? More appropriate.
 
Willy, what do you feed them that they do well on? Our winter wasn't all that bad and I still had 3 die on my place. Seems like if they get a little behind that time of year they have a tough time catching up. I'm thinkng about putting something out early while they still have good forage on the range.Kind of let their systems get used to it.
 
We feed a pellet that has been approved by the biologist in our area, we also add a little cracked corn with molasses, we have been feeding sense early December and hopefully with this warmer weather we should wean them off in the next couple of weeks.
 
I just threw up. You guys make me sick. The shed hunters are killing everything...THEY MUST BE STOPPED! Freak me runnin'. Forget about the hikers, houndsmen, rabbit hunters, photographers, the hippies...go get them shed hunters! "It's unethical"... gag, ralph! I'm so sick of hearing what is unethical. Get a grip on reality. Don't tell me what's unethical. Let me decide and deal with the consequences. "It's unethical"...that's the dumbest statement I've ever heard. "It's unethical"...whatever. "Issue a citation", great idea.

What really needs to happen is this...be sure you can legally hike, explore, hunt...whatever you want to do in the area you want to do it in. Educate yourself prior to going afield. Then, should you find something that does not seems right, notify the appropriate authorities. The last thing you should do is come on MM and ask this group of bung hole arm chair conservationists which way your moral 'ethical' compass should point.

Good luck. Have fun and I hope everyone can enjoy our public lands in a manner conducive to promoting wildlife's future.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-09-11 AT 07:56AM (MST)[p]Hey, that was a nice little rant against everyone on here that are interested in animal welfare, but at least you threw in a couple common sense thoughts in there!

For those wanting to feed where and when it's legal you need to be aware that you need to follow what Wapitiwilly mentioned and start early so their digestive systems can adapt. If you wait too long and they are already stressed, they can eat all they want and literaly die with full stomachs because their systems need quite aome time to adapt to the change in forage!
 
The DWR will not endorse feeding because if they do then they will be responsible to feed, all the feeding with have done has been approved by the DWR
 
MURPHY---I assumed that WW and you were up to speed on feeding, especially when WW said they started in December! My comment was intended for those who have never done it before and then suddenly think they are going to help the animals after it is basically too late to start. Doing that may well make it even worse for the animals than chancing it and leaving it up to Mother Nature.
 
Agreed, it has to be the right feed and they need it before they are in trouble. When we get a warm spell between storms and get a little greenup we lose deer. They key on that new growth but they get little nutrition or heat out of it. Especialy yearlings and fawns. I saw where a ranch over here put a big round bail of grass hay out for them. I think he did it mainly to keep them off the highway but they were using it regularly. Our deer never got in real poor shape so it probably worked out for the best. Winter's always going to take some deer but if I could give them a little boost I would. Mulies are under so much pressure from every direction these days. I haven't used my landowner tags for 4 years cause I just couldn't justify killing one, not that 1 buck would make a difference. They have made a comeback this last year and I may hunt them this year. With the winter Wyoming is having and the price of gas hunting close to home is appealing this year.
 
Feeding deer seems to work great if the deer reside on private property but once they are public deer it doesn't work? I would like to know how there is such a huge difference in opinion from state biologists and biologists working for private entites.
I talked to the feed guys (I think Purina) at the expo and both of them at the booth, said the same thing Murphy is saying. Start early whether they need it or not.
They also said if it was a mild winter to quit earlier than if it is moderate or severe winter.
One of them also said that they have some large ranches buying feed in CO. These ranches are extensivly feeding in Dec, Jan, and the first part of Feb and then letting nature take its course to take care of old or injured animals.
Wyoming has a shed law that is working very well on winter ranges. I would sure like to see some pilot feeding projects done in our critical winter ranges. We feed elk on 23 feed grounds throughout the state but we can't even have a serious discussion on feeding deer. I am a huge suppporter of the elk feed grounds. I would buy another ten dollar stamp to feed deer in a dozen key winter range locations.
 
>All that money from the
>expo would be nice to
>see some fencing going up
>along our roads also ya
>that will never happen.


Nice thought...but the public doesn't know where the money goes from funds generated by the convention tags. The state likely doesn't see a penny of it.
 
Huntinco, If you want to go look for yourself be my guest..Its directly east of echo res. from the dam southward about a half mile.You cant miss it,you can see alot from the road..I have called the fish and game they told me they would look into it.They sounded like they didnt want to give me the time.Im goin to call back and ask for wardens # up there,and talk to him diectly...

To all who think i shouldnt be up there at this time.That im chasing the animals around..Thats funny!! I take an xtra amount of time to go around the animals so i dont spook or run any animals...But i do know how alot of people dont care..
 
Petergriffin..I was just stating a fact of what i seen.If its closed or not closed.The dnr should be telling people when they are getting there shed hunt certificates,about the closures.I have never herd of it.There was also 2 other guys i seen on this area and foot tracks in alot of places.I have been on WMA's all over the state and never heard of any type of closure..And yes i read the reg's. They need to explain it alot better if they want people to stay off some WMA's and not on other WMA's.Thats Crap!
If you want to try to be smart ace and let everyone know that you are ignorant and do not care about the wildlife situation utah has,And try to Be little someone who does.Then go some place else.
 
Sageadvice..Yes, Please give me a ticket.Why 2 other groups of people were up there at the same time with there kids just like me.The DWR should regulate this alot better,.Where does it say you can go on most of the WMA's But Some others you cannot?The whole raeson i went up there is because i seen so many dead animals from the road.
 
Bighornhunter Dwr Personel..Then you Better Regulate it alot better.Since when i was up with my kids.I seen 2 other family's doing the same thing..I have read reg's and have been all over the state with WMA's closed to motor vehicles but open to foot traffic.If some are closed then great.But It needs to be understood by All shed hunters,Since they are the only one's out this early.I Think its a great idea.

Again Why does no one call me back or care about finding this many animals up by the dam at echo.I called DWR And they told me they would look into it.Over 40 deer in that close proximity is pretty bad not to be took seriously.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-11 AT 03:02PM (MST)[p] elknr said, "Sageadvice..Yes, Please give me a ticket.Why 2 other groups of people were up there at the same time with there kids just like me.The DWR should regulate this alot better,.Where does it say you can go on most of the WMA's But Some others you cannot?The whole raeson i went up there is because i seen so many dead animals from the road."

No sympathy from me! When people like you take the law into their own hands and disregard them, regardless if there are enough enforcement officers, you flat deserve a ticket! If enough guys come crying here about their ticket and the penalty due, maybe that would/will help curtail jokers such as yourself, and the others that you claim to have seen, while there. I just can't believe some people refuse to leave these dead and dying deer alone, free from additional stress, to hang on to their very last remaining energys, maybe to make it through, maybe still to not.

Joey
 
I agree completely sage! He sounds like a little kid that's first excuse when they get caught is: "Well everybody else was doing it!" Sock it to these violators and if there were signs up all over the place like one member stated are up in those northern WMAs, then throw the book at them IMHO!!! From all indications it seems to be working well in Wyoming because it's not just on the books, but is being strictly enforced by G&F personnel.
 
Obviously this guy doesn't comprehend rules and doesn't pay attention. He just posted his guess on the last score contest that ended over a week ago!
 
That is really funny and even though I've been on this site for just a short time I think I have already figured out the word a lot of you guys would call him, LOL!!!
 
Sage,top gun and you other ignorant idiots.Is this all you have to do all day long is to stare at your computer screen and think who you can badger,and what you can create something so small into this big joke you are making it into.I was just stating a fact of what i saw.If it was closed,then i deserve a ticket.Thats why i was asking for one.I try really hard to make sure i follow the rules and not stress wintering animals out.I made a mistake but i told the warden and he said himself they need to make people more aware of these closures,Is this my excuse? No i was wrong.But all this other stuff you make up while you worthless,Jobless fools sit around and try to make your self feel better about your own life by bashing other people...I agree to hammer the people who brake the law,I admitted going on there to the warden.He warned me,And i wont be back until april...So get over it!!!!And leave it alone.
 
Thanks for admitting it, I respect that.
But you have to understand why I got all worked up about it. Every year hundreds of us wait for that opener when we can go up to the WMAs for the first time of the year.

Every year I find tracks on the opener and I wonder how many sheds were taken illegally. It's just frustrating when you try and do everything right and still get screwed every year.

I realize you you didn't know what you were doing. So there's no harm done (Unless you took some sheds).

You got your warning, so lets leave it at that.
 
"Sage,top gun and you other ignorant idiots... No i was wrong.But all this other stuff you make up while you worthless,Jobless fools sit around and try to make your self feel better about your own life by bashing other people...I agree to hammer the people who brake the law..."

"Ignorant idiots" Hardly
"worthless Jobless fools" ??, You can really sweet talk can't you! I'm a licensed plumbing Contractor.

So you admit that you were in the wrong, great! Not a problem! Now why exactly are you bashing, calling me these names?

Joey
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-18-11 AT 09:07PM (MST)[p]I wasn't the "ignorant idiot" that came on here and made a fool of himself by telling the world he was doing something illegal when people familiar with that area stated there are signs up there saying to stay off that WMA!!! I'm sure your post was really asking for a ticket too, LOL! Hopefully, you have learned a lesson and will learn to know where you should and shouldn't be at all times. FYI---I'm also not a worthless, jobless fool!!! I retired in 2002 and probably make more in my retirement than you're making if you're working, so stop making stupid, foolish statements when you don't know me from a can of paint!!! I see it only took you 4 or 5 days to come back on this thread to post your little tirade, so get over it and get on with life sonny!
 
elknr, Your 100% right about those two! At least you were man enough to admit you made a mistake and owned it. I'm glad you at least put forth an effort to contact the DWR about what you saw. Holyier than thow people like topgun and sage need someone to pick on to feel like they are halfway important and relavent in society. I think both are competing for the most post in the month award.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-19-11 AT 08:15PM (MST)[p]brutus---Bite me!!! The guy came on here and didn't confess anything until he was caught by his own posts! Then he blames everyone else for his indiscretions including the G&F for not keeping him aware of things, LOL! We let it alone and the jerk came back on, singled two of us out and called us a bunch of names in a tirade like he's a little kid. We called him out on it and if you're condoning what he did originally or coming back on here like he did, then you're no better than he is! I put my name and where I live right out on my profile because I'm not afraid to have people know who I am and what I stand for. What's your excuse for being a CS and disabling yours so we don't even know who's doing the talking?
 
Blah Blah Blah, You dont know him, how do you know he's a jerk? You didnt call out $hit, he told everyone what he was doing in his original post. Watching you and sage was like watching a couple of sharks just swimin around till you smelt blood in the water and then attacked. I just couldnt stand you and others jumpin to conclusions goin nuts over someone that had nothin but good intentions and tryed to convey his findings to the DWR. If he was chasin deer and harassin them why would he call the DWR and post his findings on a website were sharks like you are hiding in wait. The guy didnt relize he had done anything wrong and sounds like he wasnt the only one. Sounds like to me he's a stand up guy that made an honest mistake and owned it. Guarantee your not perfect nor would you probably own up to your mistakes the way he did. BTW why do I need to post my name? I could care less what your name is. Your just another guy on the computer as far as i'm concerned.
 
driving into Idaho today through snowville, My wife, my buddy and myself saw 6 dead deer and one dead cow elk in a one mile stretch of frontage road. One of the deer was a week or so dead caught up in a fence. The others appeared to have been during the winter. There were a few other piles of bones as well. The elk was maybe 2 weeks gone and a cow for those interested.



It was a big bodied 2 point.
 
Brutus, i like TopGuns expression...Bite Me!!

I didn't/don't have a problem once he fessed up and admitted that he shouldn't have been doing what he was but to then put blame back on me, forget it, ain't happening!

Though i don't know TopGun from Adam, i think we got our point across and it's past time to put this thread to bed. My profile also says my name and where i live... as old and busted up as i may be, I would welcome you if you feel the need to discuss these cheap shots you're taking further! Otherwise, STFU!!

Joey
 
Bottom Line what did the warden say caused the death of all those deer. Thanks for bring it up even if you did get a lecture on being in a closed area.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
FYI
We have lost a lot of deer in the Wanship, Coalville, Henefer area, this has been a long hard winter, our feeding efforts have helped some but not enough!
 

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