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WHAT QUALITY OF BUCKS SHOULD GUYS EXPECT OR IS IT WORTH HUNTING?

MY POPS AND A COUPLE OTHER OLDER GUYS ARE THINKIN ABOUT HUNTING THIS AREA.

THANKS
 
More than just a little bit of private property. It is mostly sage and lower-level mountainous hunting...draws and brush-filled canyons.

The genetics are not perfect but there are deer there and (as in ALL places) the big bucks are quite nocturnal. You will see many more 2-points than mature bucks.....

Most 4x4 bucks you find, will be 150s. (The bigger ones, which top out over 200 inches, are simply hard to find.)


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
So have either of you actually hunted there? Lower level mountainous hunting??? Really? Have you been there?
The brush filled canyons The Bruneau and Jarbidge, are over 700 foot deep and are in the wilderness which means no ATV's or Trucks.
I have spent years there hunting birds and deer. I count sage grouse there.
I think your over estimating the quality by about 115 points on the bucks. But on the other hand if you send guys on a wild goose chase in a unit far away from yours you don't have to deal with them in your hunt.
Have I seen 150 class bucks? Yes once in 15 years and I killed him. Most bucks are crab claws on the bigger deer. By bigger I mean 24". The only time I hunt there for deer is if I am hunting for chukar and find one to shoot. With 3.50+ dollar gas I don't see the need to chase the phantom big bucks of 46. Go ahead if you feel the need. Ron
 
Yep, I've been there a lot. I grew up just east of there. I financed more than one of the ranchers out there. (I didn't say it was EASY. I didn't say the canyons were not steep (carried too many critters uphill and I don't do ATVs). I said it was low-elevation....to differentiate between it and above-timberline or alpine hunting.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
Some of those low lands are over 6000 feet.
Growing up east of there and "financing" ranchers is a little different than finding trophy quality bucks out there. While I have seen some guys come in with "big deer" lets get the facts straight. A little secret that those guys would not share was those deer came from unit 47. After several decades of sneeking out big bucks the big deer are all but wiped out of unit 47. Since the fall of unit 47 as a "trophy" buck unit all of a sudden the "big bucks" of 46 have fallen off the map. I have completed spot light surveys with the F&G in unit 47. And like I said I do Sage grouse and sage grouse trapping with spot lights. I see deer in unit 46 form time to time.
I think it is a stretch for a banker to call it "lower-level mountainous hunting" with "Most 4x4 bucks you find, will be 150s"
That is a stretch to anyone that knows the area. Ron
 
The authority has spoken..........



(never hunted the unit but I know it's got some remote country and deer live there. I'd be willing to bet there are a few good ones out there somewhere)






the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
So Idahoron, you are stating that there are NO "BIG" bucks in units 47 and 46?? And by big I mean above 180" Just curious...
 
The areas near farm land can and does produce a better than average buck. Once and and while a real toad will be taken. I am sure that the mountainous area of 46 is a fantastic hunt and I am just wrong.
Good luck hunting there and I would be glad to read about your fantastic hunts.
Ron
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-11 AT 06:02PM (MST)[p]IDmuleyjunkee. If you are meaning the buck killed in 2009 yes I know about him. Ron
 
GSJ, 2011 is your year. I am sure you would have a great hunt all you have to do is go and get them. Please post your pictures after your hunt. Good luck. Ron
 
OK.......I have hunted several thousand hours there. I've taken 3 (all DIY and public land) deer over 200 inches (although one came from unit 54 (next door). Growing up, hunting and driving every inch of the area for fun AND TO FINANCE THE RANCHERS...I do know my way around.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
I've been trying to post pictures on this site for all 10 years since I first found it. I simply don't know how.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
As for Ron saying I'm overstating the size of the deer....I did say the vast majority would be 2 points and that 4x4 deer would only be 150...if that's overstated my apologies. I meant it to convey the message that big ones (170 & above) are HARD to come by. As everyplace, big deer do exist but there are SO many nooks and crannies....

In all honesty, I think folks who ask about a unit on the internet have got about as much of a chance of finding a big mature buck as I do of affording a trip to Alaska for one of those big bears. I always get a chuckle out of it.

I've often said, if I could eliminate 5% of the population of LA or SLC(any urban area), I could put a million-dollar reward (not that I could pay it) on a B&C mule deer. If it had to be collected WITHOUT A GUIDE (or helper) AND ON PUBLIC LAND....it would never be paid. My expectation is the folks who scout through this method fall into the 95% that would never collect on the reward.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
OK that is better. YES most of the bucks seen will be two points. If any 4x4's are seen 150 is most likely a number you better not pass up ever. That is true. 170 and up are almost non existent away form farm land but it could happen but I would not hold my breath. A lot of guys have this idea that if you get way away form roads and people you find the "big ones" but that is not how it rolls. The farm land has less pressure and better food and more important WATER.
I also agree with what you said about people going there for there for the first time. But I am going to add that most people won't ever see a deer in the canyon lands. I see more wild sheep than deer. One year I walked 160 miles of the canyon lands. I shot 163 chukar. I saw tons of sheep and some deer. I never saw a buck over 150.
Last year I found two herds of deer that totaled 19 head while bird hunting. I watched these deer all the month of October. Since I didn't have any plans to hunt anywhere else I figured at some point bucks would show. Well they didn't. I also noticed that the does didn't have any fawns. It was the last week of October and not even a two point was with the does. Even in November I didn't see any bucks there.
Fires have ruined winter range in this unit. Bitter brush and Sage brush is gone from hundreds of thousands of acres of this unit. These fires were devastating and recovery will take decades. Does this mean mule deer will never be killed there again? no but this area is not going to be the new unit 45 any time soon. I know I always sound negative but I am not going to be like some of the guys here and sugar coat it. Ron
 
>GSJ, 2011 is your year. I
>am sure you would have
>a great hunt all you
>have to do is go
>and get them. Please post
>your pictures after your hunt.
>Good luck. Ron


I have a good year every year Ron old boy. 2011 will be no different. Like I said I have little experience in this unit. I have no plans to ever hunt there. But I amd my crew routinely kill fine animals in areas you swear up and down hold no game due to wolves or whatever other reason you dream up.
I'm sure 46 would be no different for someone who really was determined to find a good buck there. In fact I'll say point blank I KNOW it could be done.

gb22 has always posted solid advice and info. I typicaly agree with what he has to say about hunting.
You on the other hand are all negative all the time and offer nothing but discouragement to anyone reading your posts.





the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
If you know it can be done go for it. What do you have to lose? I am always wrong so here is you chance to prove it.
I will give you this you, are the IDFG biggest cheerleader. Good for you I hope you have continued fantastic luck. I do tend to be on the negative side but I remember what Idaho used to be and would like to see it that way again. I am not trying to change your mind. I know you don't like me. That is fine not everyone gets along. I do know what I post about game. I am a Reservist for the F&G I do get to see a little more about things than most guys do. If you want to personally attack me fine. Again good luck. Ron
 
Has nothing to do with me not liking you and no way am I personally attacking you. I disagree with alot of the stuff you say and think you misrepresent what hunting is actually like here. Thats a dis-service to our state and to other hunters who have an interest in hunting here. I know you believe what you say and I can tell you care so that is to your credit.

Time spent with the F&G? Do they know how you really feel about them?

If being a cheerleader means reporting what I see with my own two eyes in the areas I frequent then I guess I'm guilty. Near as I can tell F&G's policies are helping to keep game in huntable numbers despite some pretty large obstacles. Can't say I've been a fan of everything they've done but they've given me the opportunity to hunt every year and be successful my entire hunting life. Which is more than I can say for most other states.

I'm afraid what "Idaho used to be" is always gonna be just that. What it used to be. For a variety of reasons, those days are gone and never coming back. Which is not to say Idaho doesn't have good hunting, because it does. And anyone who wants to buy a tag can participate in it.......





the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
Idaho (most of the west) could take HUGE STRIDES toward returning things back to "the way they used to be" by simply killing some of the big kitties and big dogs that roam out back country. Those are the majority of the difference in the last 25 years.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
I have been a Reservist for 17 years. Yes the F&G know I am not happy, there are a lot of them that watch these forums. And Yes they know I am not happy with a lot of things from Fish to upland game to Big game. I WORK at trying to make things better. I volunteer TONS of hours to the F&G and the hunters of Idaho. I do One he11 of a lot for the hunters of Idaho in fact. And yes I do have input and I give it. I don't hate F&G at all I like almost everyone I have ever worked with and call most of them friends. But I do think that there are some things that are not going well at this time? Yes. When it comes to some issues they know I don't agree and would like to see things different. Just because I am a Reservist does not mean I give up my opinion on how I think hunting should be.

I disagree that the F&G's policies are keeping huntable numbers of game. The policy it seems, is to sell as many tags as they can without regard to the resource. Then when the train comes completely off the track drastic measures are needed to do SOMETHING.
When a unit like 43 goes from 1200 elk tags to 100. Something went wrong with policy. This is not the only case. A lot of other units in a lot of other areas are seeing the same problems. Not only with elk but with Deer, Antelope, moose and other animals. When a moose hunting unit does not have ANY harvest for 5 years something is wrong. When several units haven't had any harvest for up to 5 years then there is something wrong with policy.

I think your are the one misrepresenting a lot of how things really are in Idaho. Look at it this way. You want to buy something from Cabelas. You look at the reviews. There will be some that say that product is "the best" they don't say anything else. They don't even post pictures of animals they get with that product. But they give it 5 stars. Other guys say it has problems. They say what the problems are and elaborate why they give it their rating of a 2 or a 3. Who has the most important input?
The guys that have a problem say, I don't like this because this is wrong or that is wrong are they just being doom and gloom about the product? Now you read several other guys have had the same problem. Maybe the money would be better spent a different way or on a different item?

The Original poster wanted to know info. I gave him the info as I see it. With a tank of gas costing almost 100 dollars should he listen to me? I know there are deer there. I know there is an occasional good deer there. BUT I think his time and money might be better spent in an area that has better numbers and genetics. If he still wants to hunt 46 then he has info to go with.

Unit 46 has had a couple of the largest wild fires we have ever seen. Habitat is devastated beyond belief. Winter range will take decades to rebuild if it ever does at all.
If you don't like it that is too bad. That is not just my opinion that is the opinion of many in the F&G.

Yes I do sound like doom and gloom but I have seen it first hand. Badgers running across the burnt soil not knowing where they are going because they are blind and they have had their hair all burned off. I have seen antelope displaced from their normal habitat and forced into areas because of the lack of food. Sage Grouse dancing on burned off leks. That makes them target for predators.

Do I sound doom and gloom again YES! Sometimes, other times not so much. You focus on what YOU want to read into my posts. You don't GET what I am about at all. Funny thing is if YOU go back and read YOUR posts and then read some of mine. You will see we are not that far apart on a lot of subjects. Where I fail in your eyes is I don't put on the Rose colored glasses, drink the cool aid, and accept things for what they are and call it great. It is not great,and I want things to get better. The first step is to admit there is a problem, even junkies know that.
Ron
 
WOW!!!! didnt mean to get everyone so excited :)

just looking for a spot for my ol man and his ol buddies, they are in there late 60's and dont get around like they used to.

anyone suggest a different unit? ;) Not sure if im starting a war, but just want these ol guys to have a decent hunt.

thanks
 
Hornsnfish, I would 2nd just about everything Ron has said. 46 would probably be my last choice of any unit in SW Idaho.
 
+1 to IDdesertman. This is a good unit to shoot fricken coyotes. I've seen some pretty good bucks, in December (they would not score high). In 2010 I saw one tall wide three point, 25-26 wide with another big 4x2. If your dead set on hunting Southwest Idaho then this is your only choice unless you draw a tag. Its usually hot in October. As far as easy country to hike in, unit 46 doesn't get much easier. It's hard to get straight information off of these websites. Look at the different views of opinoins to your question. There's not very many people that are going to tell you where to find a big buck or bull. I agree with Ron that there are some huge bucks around the farms. I think some of these area's get overlooked.

Good luck, remember almost all units in Idaho will produce 180" bucks, the challenge is trying to find them with everybody else.
 
46 is a pretty tough unit. In 4 years of hunting it, and then moving on, I have seen a single potential 180" buck and a few forkies. Still, like some others, I gotta think that there are more large deer in there and I'm just not looking in the right spots. The unit should hold more deer than it seems to, not sure where they are though.....
For the group you describe, there are better units and better opportunities in Idaho.
CB08
 
F&G can't control everything. Weather, fire, wolves (for now) are completely out of their hands. The most conservative/rigid policy in the world won't do one damn thing to stop a hard winter.

Managing hunters/tags is far down the list of negatives that impact herds IMO.






the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
GSJ, I agree with you 100%,,,finally someone says somthing that makes sense. Predators, predators and winters kill deer herds more than anything else. Notice I said predators twice. F&G anitpredator policy is gone. This is the difference between hunting now and hunting back in the 70's-80's. Open up your eyes and look around. Back in the early 90's we used to see way more hunter's than we see now. Yes F&G is in controll of how many predators there are (except wolves). Everybody bitc#es and moans about to many hunters and to many of this and that. Winters are out of everybodies hands, but the predators are not. Think about, less predators more game. It's simple.

OK i'm off my soap box!!!
 
So when has the IDFG ever, after a winter kill or predator problem or a fire as Ron has sugested, backed off on an OTC hunt or even a controlled hunt for that matter, to help the deer numbers stabilize before opening the flood gates! Hasn't happened very often, if at all that I recall.
 
>So when has the IDFG ever,
>after a winter kill or
>predator problem or a fire
>as Ron has sugested, backed
>off on an OTC hunt
>or even a controlled hunt
>for that matter, to help
>the deer numbers stabilize before
>opening the flood gates!
>Hasn't happened very often, if
>at all that I recall.
>
+1

You can not manage mule deer with over the counter tags period.
 
>So when has the IDFG ever,
>after a winter kill or
>predator problem or a fire
>as Ron has sugested, backed
>off on an OTC hunt
>or even a controlled hunt
>for that matter, to help
>the deer numbers stabilize before
>opening the flood gates!
>Hasn't happened very often, if
>at all that I recall.
>

IDFG is currently, and for the past two seasons has capped elk tags in many general and controlled units due to predation (wolves).

I'm sure it's been done before.

They've also shortened and altered dates/restricted pretty much every general hunt you could name for mule deer and elk over the past couple decades.




the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
>>So when has the IDFG ever,
>>after a winter kill or
>>predator problem or a fire
>>as Ron has sugested, backed
>>off on an OTC hunt
>>or even a controlled hunt
>>for that matter, to help
>>the deer numbers stabilize before
>>opening the flood gates!
>>Hasn't happened very often, if
>>at all that I recall.
>>
>+1
>
>You can not manage mule deer
>with over the counter tags
>period.



Can't manage them the way you'd like maybe.




the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
>Please explain how they manage them
>now. If thats what
>you want to call it.
>

The same way they always have. And if you like you can come along for a twenty minuete drive from my home in the most populated area in the state and I'll show you a couple hundred mule deer. We won't even need to leave the truck.






the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-02-11 AT 11:00PM (MST)[p]>>Please explain how they manage them
>>now. If thats what
>>you want to call it.
>>
>
>The same way they always have.
>And if you like you
>can come along for a
>twenty minuete drive from my
>home in the most populated
>area in the state and
>I'll show you a couple
>hundred mule deer. We won't
>even need to leave the
>truck.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
>


So what you are saying is they still don't. If I could find a graph of the mule deer population in Idaho for the last 20 plus years it goes nowhere but down. I don't care about elk. We can take a drive through Oregon and show you hundreds of deer on the winter range. Doesn't mean they are being managed.
 
>>So when has the IDFG ever,
>>after a winter kill or
>>predator problem or a fire
>>as Ron has sugested, backed
>>off on an OTC hunt
>>or even a controlled hunt
>>for that matter, to help
>>the deer numbers stabilize before
>>opening the flood gates!
>>Hasn't happened very often, if
>>at all that I recall.
>>
>
>IDFG is currently, and for the
>past two seasons has capped
>elk tags in many general
>and controlled units due to
>predation (wolves).
>
>I'm sure it's been done before.
>
>
>They've also shortened and altered dates/restricted
> pretty much every general
>hunt you could name for
>mule deer and elk over
>the past couple decades.
>
>
>
>
>the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
>


And this has been nothing but a failure.
 

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