Sportsmen or Hog

[cannonball]

A person drives their truck to a popular waterhole, leaves it and goes home with someone else then comes back the next day expecting to have it saved. Is this ethical or sportsmen of him? Is this ethical or sportsmen for someone else to show up that morning, see someone elses truck with frost on the window, realize no one is there, and set up their blind on the popular waterhole? Is it ethical or sportsmen to to setup a tent blind for days on end at a popular waterhole?

Popular is the main word here.

 

[Hawkeye]

Sounds like a common practice from some of the guides on the Paunsaugunt. You wouldn't happen to be hunting the Buckskins would you?

Hawkeye

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[Feleno]

I had to read your question twice, I thought you were talking about a bar.

 

[antlerrick]

Probably depends on which end of the situation you are on...

Shouldn't happen but sure it does a lot more that we know..

 

[HalfAce]

I also thought this was talking about a bar and going home with some chick! lol. As far as your question, if I knew they were leaving their car there to intentionally mark it for themselves, ide just get there before them if I REALLY wanted to hunt that spot that bad.

 

[2lumpy]

LAST EDITED ON Sep-12-11 AT 05:20PM (MST)[p]Your not tough enough to stay, even if there was no truck and you got there 2 hours ahead of the guy. If he said, your in my blind, you'd wet down you camos and you know it!

Or, you could just invite him to set down next with you, like the guy I stomped in on a few years ago.

Better yet, you damned old putz, let the poor man have his water hole, how many more Pauns deer do you need before you give up some real estate to these kids?

Besides there's no decent 3x4s left anyway.

DC

 

[bonepicker]

I'm guessing you already have an opinion, but here's mine. There is no way to reserve a draw/ridge/opening/waterhole etc on public land, even if you are sitting on it. I can come up and sit with my back to the same tree as you if I want (and I don't need your permission) though when interacting with people with weapons, it is wise to be respectful Last year there was a kid who unloaded his pistol at a group of people cutting firewood in "his" hunting area. Some people seem to get it into their heads that they own some part of an area but on public land that's obviously not the case.

 

[cannonball]

Geewhizz, Bonepicker you must have been talking to Lumpy. I can remember a few years back when ol' Lumpy embarrased his friends. They left him an ATV to ride out on, while they hunted somewhere else. In fact that's when he found out how easy ATV's would get to the highway. Before that he thought the dune buggy was the only thing that would take Nephi Pasture and the Buckskin.

Hawkeye, you hit the nail on the head. I've seen it all, over the years, hunting down there.

 

[BLooDTRaCKeR]

If I walk into an area and find someone already there, it is theres! They beat me to it and they can have it. I do not like hunting next to anyone, especially when your out in the forest. There is no need for it, too much country to hunt to be sitting right next to someone else. Now if there is a ground blind or tree stand that someone has left and no one is around, you bet I'll pull up a chair and sit for a while. If the individual shows up after, he can go hunt somewhere else because like mentioned before, you can't reserve public land.

If the person does not leave, then I'll pull out the banjo and sing him a few loud songs as I parade around "his" water hole to make sure the animals know where the party is. LOL

 

[eldorado]

If the area is already staked out I simply move on. I hope that hunter would afford me the same consideration. I would move 1/2- 1 mile from any other posted hunter. Makes life easier and safer.

Eldorado

 

[SSakitas]

Bonepicker this is directed to you. Your right It may be public ground but there is a thing called common F'ing courtesy. This kind of stuff that keeps being posted about the A hole things people do to other hunters, most be from what I call the Utahn mentality. I know I will get some Hell from saying that but thats how I feel about it.

 

[cannonball]

I agree with Bloodtracker first come, first serve - no save.

SSack, Utah does not have a corner on bad sportsmen. Back in the old days when a group of hunters would sit hunters on one end and make a drive from the other end, it was not usual to see a calif. hunter see what was going on and horn in on the action and that's not even talking about some Nevada fishermen who camp by other people, drink, swear, and party all night. Every state has their jerks. What State are you from?

 

[Longun]

just whip out the shotgun and do a little dove hunting..if waterholes are that hard to come by outta be a great hunt...

 

[pookiebar]

Well I think you have the right to sit on the water hole. If his truck has been there overnight then he shouldn't mind. When he pulls up just tell him you were keeping an eye on his rig to make sure nobody messed with it. Seems to me the guy would be thankful you were there to help him out. You might even ask if he needs a jump or something since the thing sat there overnight you figured it must be broke down.

If he has the balls to wine at you about it then he can kiss it!!

 

[RisingSun]

Speaking of which, anybody want to help me save a camping spot in Utah for the general season elk hunt?

 

[Gator]

+1 Pookiebar

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".

 

[tstewy]

Had a simlar situation happen to me last year ran into a couple of guys while i was sitting on watering hole with my muzzy elk tag they were wanting to take pictures kida pissed me off that they where going to sit in the same spot as me to take pictures and screw my hunt up. but in the end they where good guys and let me have it to myself. It's public first one there gets it or just be cordial and talk to them i was hunting with a buddy and we got to the forest gate at the same time as some other guys. talked to them and we went the oppisite direction that i wanted to go but sometimes just talking to someone can solve problems like this.

 

[cannonball]

Here's one for the books. Early one morning, three years ago, I was hunting the Pauns. In fact it was one of the mornings I beat Doyle Moss on the road heading out to where we were going to hunt. It was before day light and he was pushing me, so I said, "I'm just going to let him by", and pulled to the side of the road. He pulled to the side of me and rather breeze on by, asked which way I was going - Said he didn't want to foul me up and he didn't want me fouling them up, so he would take the road we weren't going to take. I was heading for the waterhole where they had been sitting some days earlier. I went there and he took the other fork in the road. I shot a 28" meat deer and his client shot a 220+ monster right by some woodcutters. I could hear the shots from the blind from a distance.

All of you ill-talkers of Mossback - What do you think of that?

 

[NvrEnuf]

Oh I'm sure Doyle must have tricked you somehow cannon. Probably used some kind of reverse psychology and made you think you wanted to hunt where he actually didn't want to go! He probably went on down the other fork, blocked the road off and planted that 220 buck for his client too.

NvrEnuf

 

[2lumpy]

So back to your original example. Was that my truck you found parked in the road, blocking the "popular" waterhole? Or, did you just make this all up to have a little fun with the boys?

One of these day's I'm going reveal your true identify so you'll start to behave better.

The temp. is changing so maybe I can get you to go cast a bubble and leave these poor folks alone while their trying to concentrate on their fall hunts. It's pretty near black ant time, and it's painfully apparent you need to get out of the house for a bit.

DC

 

[BuffaloHunter]

LAST EDITED ON Sep-14-11 AT 01:52PM (MST)[p]I live out of State but my family lives in Southern Utah so I have the pleasure of coming hunting with them whenever I can draw a tag. From 2,500 miles away I even know about Moss's "blocking" tactics and have witnessed them first hand. For those of you in denial, you must be related. Also, I live in Whitetail country. For those of you who comnplain about sharing thousands and thousands and thousands of acres with other hunters, try and hunt whitetail with more hunters and much less land. Natures resources are for all to share. Hunters are probably the most "unsharing" group of people on earth.

 

[cannonball]

Lumpy,

You're getting so old you are mixing up the stories - 1/2 of one story and then 1/2 of another story does not make a complete story.

As far as the fishing goes, see that weather out there, I really don't want to get muddy. The fishing will be at its peak while you're hunting that little Utah moose. For the money you've already spent of Cody's gas money as well as your own, you could have purchased a Guided Gold Moose Hunt in Alaska. Then you could have six foot set of horns rather than horns that will fit inside your deer horns. Kidding aside - GOOD LUCK.

You Northern Moose hunters out there Lumpy really needs your help. His mental state is starting to slip just a little as noted from the above writing(s).

 

[cannonball]

Lumpy left you with the wrong impression and I need to clarify. The person blocking the road, was a guide, but not Mossback.

 

[bonepicker]

SSakitas,
No argument here. I'd never butt in on a spot somebody else is in (though if I found a rig that had been parked overnight or a tree stand I would have no qualms about hunting there) and I don't go out and cut firewood out in the best elk country during the seasons but I'm just saying, there are some who will and legally they can, even though they should show some respect and courtesy.
It seems that common courtesy is becoming more uncommon, doesn't matter what state you are in or where people are from, there is alot less respect for other people and less respect for the land. Unfortunate, but I think we've all seen that to be true.

 

[1azbowhunter]

my dad and another hunter showed up at the same water hole same time on the strip,and they just took turns.

 

[2lumpy]

I'm not the one telling the tall tails and don't be too quick to call me an old man...........do you still have enough cognitive reasoning left to figure that out. Your a little like my mother, she never could see the irony in calling me a SOB.

I choose something to mum as I slip stealthily through the quakies each fall. Here's this year's little ditty. Thank you Mason Willams and our good friend DO who's banjo has warmed our miserable rotten hearts.

How about Them Moose Goosers,
Ain't they recluse?
Up in them boondocks
Goosin' them moose.

Goosin' them huge moose,
Goosin' them tiny,
Goosin' them meadow-moose,
In they hiny.

Look at Them Moose Goosers,
Ain't they dumb?
Some use an umbrella,
Some use a thumb.

Them obtuse Moose Goosers,
Sneakin' through the woods,
Pokin' them snoozy moose
In they goods.

How to be a Moose Gooser?
I'll turn ye puce.
Gitchy gooser loose and
Rouse a drowsy moose!

It's my full intention is to poke a snoozy moose!

Don't you be blocking "my water hole".

Thanks for the encouragement. We're planning a good trip, moose or otherwise.

DC

 

[cannonball]

Lumpy,

That's what I like, seeing you hop on one foot and then the other.

Now I really think you have lost it and, by the way, where is my finders fee for telling your DC. Guide Service where that large herd bull was up on Monroe the other day for that archer.

 

[2lumpy]

Same finders fee I always give you? Bend over!

DC

 

[fin little]

LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-11 AT 09:50AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-11 AT 09:49?AM (MST)

Just came back from a week of elk hunting on Az unit 9. Theres a tank we really like thats been lucky in the past for us. We always sit the ground blind thats been there for years. I took a bull out of it clear back in 95 and again in 05.Its Well established. So far, Its been pretty much the unwriten rule that if theres a hunter in the blind its thier spot until they leave. Its not reserved for the hunt. The tank is at the end of a dead end road a quarter mile from a well used road. If a vehicle is parked at the fork we move on. Its just common courtesy. Problem is people are starting to act like they own the place. Some guy has put up a pop up blind right in the ground blind everybody has always used and brushed it in nicely. There is also a couple other pop up binds sitting there, one on the wrong side IMO. What do we do if we just happen to be the first one on the tank for the day? Do we sit in some guys fancy brushed in blind? Do we take his pop up out of the blind we freshened up and always use. The blind the elk are accustomed to, or do we set up a 4th pop up ? It seems silly to me to polute one little trick tank with a bunch of portable blinds. If were in the guys blind thats built in our blind do we get out if he shows up? Its been raining buckets since the 2nd day so it really hasnt been an issue yet. Im heading back today and with drying weather it may get resolved next week. Speaking of guides and waterholes on the Pauns, I know of one big name guide that has paid a gal to sit tanks to reserve them for thier hunter. The golden rule is out the window witth the money changing hands now days. Sad. For the record , I agree with post #8(Bloodtracker)

 

[cannonball]

Good point Fin Little,

No place worse than the Pauns, except it sounds as if the Strip may be as bad. In my estimation if the blind is unoccupied it for your use, if the hunter shows up ask him if he would like to remove it. Regardless of whether he takes it down if he objects to you being in his blind, put your own blind up. I really believe this is getting out of hand.

As for the guides paying a person to sit the blind when they don't have a tag. I don't think its sportsmen like, but who said they're sportsmen. Some of the best guides are, but most are not, they are there to make money by any means.

I have run across two old tents that people have abandon. The country is starting to get littered with this type of crap. An old blind or an old tent to save a hunting area or camp site.

I don't know what it would be, but I think BLM, Forest Service, or even the DWR should address this situation with a statement and/or law regarding this matter.

 

[dleonard3]

In my younger years, I drew a Limited Entry Archery Deer permit and I did alot of scouting in the area. I found the most and best deer in the entire unit were herded up together and were watering at a specific hole every 2-3 days. When It came time to hunt, I knew that this particular water hole might have several other hunters visiting it, so I got this idea to put up a bright florecent red poster board in the window of my vehicle stating that I was hunting this area. I parked in a good place for others to turn around about a 1/4 mile from the pond at the dead end of the road. I knew that this wouldn't stop everyone, but I thought I just might get lucky and get to hunt my tree stand alone for one afternoon anyway. I wasn't demanding that everyone stay out of "MY" area, I was letting them know what I was doing and asking them for some courtesy. I soon found out that what I did had the opposite effect of what I wanted to happen. Every jerk that came along that road drove past my vehicle and right up onto the dike of that pond as if they were going to surprise a buck getting a drink. One of them actually got out and took a wiz - ruining it for everyone. Another guy stopped at my vehicle and honked for about a half hour. He left as soon as he saw me walking down the road.

Life is full of disapointments, and the world is full of disappointing people.

 

[bonepicker]

Ha! Well, that's really irritating. Still just a little funny though, but I'm trying not to laugh Thanks for sharing, we can all avoid that mistake from now on. It seems like you were resonable and a bunch of guys were not. It seems like guys would see your sign and move on. I'm pretty sure I would. Lame.

 

[dleonard3]

LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-11 AT 02:42PM (MST)[p]Ya, I was young and naive, when I assumed most hunters had some good in them. I wish I could have laughed about it too. I do remember saying "YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME" alot though. I learned my lesson and never bothered trying that again - a waste of a perfectly good poster board AND an afternoon.