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archerycrazy

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-11 AT 07:57PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-11 AT 07:02?PM (MST)

First of all, I want to thank the many upstanding hunters on this site. Your pictures, stories, and tips are what keep me coming here.

Unfortunately, this site also has a large number of individuals who make the site distasteful, in my opinion. I can't wait to read what they say about this post.

I am an avid sportsman and would prefer to be in the wild hunting and viewing wildlife whenever possible. I am not, however, someone whose entire identity and life is shaped by hunting. My job in the military can make it difficult to return home each fall to hunt. In addition, my family obligations always take precedent over my hunting. That being said, I love to hunt.

When I can't hunt, I enjoy experiencing the successes of others and reading their stories. It's a shame to see that many threads somehow turn into an opportunity for others to show they haven't made it out of Freud's Anal Stage.

Many of the threads have a similar undertone as arguing over whose trailer park meth lab is better, or whose beer gut looks more attractive in an extra small wife beater. A guy can post a story of his hunt and then be blasted relentlessly for shooting a spike elk or a small buck. Perhaps they deserve to be hammered because they aren't one of those who have never had anything but a one shot kill. Or, a guy new to hunting can ask for advice and all he gets is ridicule or a verbal assault from some of the distinguished members here.

I respect those who put in the time and consistently harvest trophy animals. They deserve the trophies they take. Many of them are willing to share their knowledge and support others in their hunting experiences. That being said, it doesn't elevate them to judge over the those who choose to hunt differently than them.

Some on this site find it blasphemous to even consider harvesting an animal that doesn't make it into the record books. They would infer that those who harvest non-trophy specimens are damaging the herds or are the downfall of hunting. They never cease in sharing their "expert" opinions with the rest of us, and they can't ever do it in a respectful way. It's like a professional body builder who spends 7 hours a day in the gym making fun of the guy who can only spend 45 minutes a day working out. Have you ever tried to hold a decent conversation with "hardcore" bodybuilder? Most of them sound as educated as the "hardcore" hunters on this site.

Honestly, I find this attitude a little ridiculous. The vast majority of hunters do not spend fifty percent of their life each year chasing after trophy big game animals. They have lives, too. Some may not even get out until opening day for the first time. Believe it or not, many don't even have a four foot wide big buck sticker on the rear window of the pickup truck that their bank owns and they drive. I'm happy they are able to get out at all to do something they enjoy.

I'm sick of hearing myself ramble, but I wonder if others share my sentiment. Keep the great pictures, stories and hunting tips coming. I believe that is why the site was created in the first place. We may not always agree with someone's choices or hunting methods, but there are respectful ways to give insight and education to those who need it. Newcomers to this site would appreciate finding a place where they can celebrate hunting and wildlife, and not have to listen to a group of men acting like schoolchildren.

I'm envious of all the big bucks and bulls that have been taken this year. I hope to make it back to Utah next year to hunt. (Yes, I am a TARD...I'll admit it, go on and bash me for it!) Thanks again to all those that do make this site a great place to visit. My therapy is complete.
 
Hey thanks for your service.

I can't wait to "read what they say about this post" either. Think I'll get a beer...

Personally, I think you accurately describe a "few" people on "some" of the topics. I know, pretty scientific huh? But for the most part, I think folks on this site are pretty helpful, and the majority of the threads seem civil enough.

Its always easy to tell a good one, when you hit 50 or more posts....like this one is going to have.
 
idhunters,

I agree that the overwhelming 99% of those on the site are great members...it's the 1% I was rambling amount. They seem to have an inordinate amount of voice here. Maybe I should go protest somewhere :)

Take Care!
 
great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-11 AT 07:37PM (MST)[p]well i agree with a lot of what you have said. and thanks for your service. but how boring would it be around here if we didnt have a few smarta-- to stir the pot? it would be one boring place. peace and harmony are all fine and good but it does get a little monotonous telling folks good job, way to go, glad youre happy with that animal, way to stick it out, etc. on the other hand the professional pot stirrers get a little annoying too. overall i like the mix around here.
 
desertdeer,

Good point. American Idol always includes footage of those who are horrendous singers just to keep it interesting as well.
 
"The vast majority of hunters do not spend fifty percent of their life each year chasing after trophy big game animals. They have lives, too. Some may not even get out until opening day for the first time. Believe it or not"


So what if some guys do spend half the year hunting mybe that is there life!

These guys might be able to help you with your problem about the bad guys on this site.

http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.pl?az=list&forum=DCForumID46&conf=conference




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Interesting perspective.
I have posted stories of trophies and stories of trophy hunts, if you get my drift.
I have yet to have a negative comment.
I don't believe I have ever read a post where someone is critisising the size of an animal that was harvested.
I just love to hunt and have had great experiences killing cows 2 points and a few good animals.
I would not be concerned about posting any animal I took.
If someone wanted to critic...then that is their deal.
 
Nothing wrong with the little controversy or pot stirring.

"Courage is being scared to death but saddling
up anyway."
 
your opinion matters to us...thanks for taking our survey

LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-11 AT 08:53PM (MST)[p]These are forums. Forums for sharing tales and discussion.

If a hunter posts facts about a hunt or adventure, he is welcoming the discussion that surely will come.

If a hunter doesn't want to discuss long range shooting (any weapon-bow,muzzy,rifle) then he need not say at what distance he shot it.

If a hunter doesn't want to hear thoughts about how long to look for the first animal he shot before he shoots at a bigger buck-he only has to post pics of the last buck and make NO mention of the first wounded animal.

As for opinions on what's best for a herd... That's discussion!

You may be getting a little too into things. Taking things as personal attacks when its just cyber chat.

Yes some of us can be pretty set in our thinking/ ways, and hard to convince that other theories may work in some scenerios...you learn quick who they are and take what they say with a grain of salt.(Velvetyjones comes to mind)

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Even us nasty types on occasion try to offer a reasonable comment or offer some non-rhetorical information. It's hard for some us to be polite but you were referring to guys that kill the trophy stuff, as I recall. Where does that leave us non-trophy butt-heads that always bring home the dinky stuff? I think what you were saying was only the trophy killers are the annoying SOBs, so us dink-shooters can be rotten and we're okay? Cool, I'm good then.

Actually I read 5 different hunting forums. This one is the only one worth participating in, in my biased and annoying opinion. On average, the dialog I find here, is far from perfect but it provides the deepest and widest discussions on hunting, along with the nonsense you've mentioned. The other forums I follow seemed to me to either have too few and too few diverse participants, or the discussions are too hostile too often, or too narrow, or too dominated by a couple of dozen single focused members or too juvenile and too naive. I read their stuff but have no desire to participate.

In spite of MM's issues, that you've pointed out, I like it here for these reasons.

1. There are thousands of active participants, while you can generally expect comments from a couple dozen folks, anyone of a thousand others are just as likely to jump in with a comment.

2. There are active participants from every imaginable occupation, philosophy, age, experience, gender, mentality, intellectuality and lack there of.

3. On any single issue, complex or simple, you will get a cross section of opinion mixed with some valuable facts.

4. I prefer less rancor than some but sometimes there are issues that justify strong feelings. I think the site monitors do an amazing job of keeping the huge diversity of discussion and emotion from going over the edge. They aren't prefect either but compared to other forums, these folks the are the best that I've seen. It's a great skill to allow things to roll along without inference, yet know when to cut the thread at just the right time. Again, most often, the moderators get it right, at the right time.

5. You can post a question any subject, from nuclear physics to castrating pigs and someone will give a worthwhile discussion, or at least give you a smile for your efforts.

6. The pic are outstanding and I see a lot of both trophy animals and trophy memories that aren't at all about antler size posted so I'm of the opinion that a lot of the non-trophy killers are not all that intimidated by the inappropriate comments that some find it necessary to make. Many of my nastiest posts are directed at some of my best friends and good neighbors that live here in Central Utah that are just us old farts poking fun at each other, the same as we do in the pickup together the morning.

7. If you really want to see nonsense and rancor, pop open the Political threads and send any hour wading through that pile. Makes the trophy blasphemers sound like kindergarten teachers. But to each his own.

Now then, Thank You for putting your self in harms way for the rest of us. We can never repay your sacrifice. May you alway be safe.

Warmest Regards.
DC
 
RE: your opinion matters to us...thanks for taking our survey

I understand these forums are cyber chat, and they end up having the same silly controversies as all online forums.

I enjoy discussion and even fierce debate. I just find it distasteful (I don't take it personal, but some do) when the discussions, debates, etc. resort to muscle flexing, anatomy comparing, name calling etc. It's only my opinion, and that opinion is certainly up for discussion. I don't mind if others see it differently.

Perhaps by sharing my opinion I am stirring up the pot...
 
Great reply. I agree with all your reasons why this is a great site. I also know this is child's play compared to political forums...Thanks.
 
Absolutely distasteful!

I can fathom no reason whatsoever, that anyone would be rude, obnoxious, insulting or just plain mean, on this site. Personaly, I would never stoop so low!

If you simply realize, that several people on here have 8th grade educations and clearly only make use of what they learned up to 4th grade, it becomes easy to understand the embarressingly stupid responses to some threads.

NOW go get beer and popcorn!..........the lynch mob will be leaving the saloon shortly!

"If God did not intend for man to hunt animals, he would have made broccoli more fun to shoot"
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-02-11 AT 07:04AM (MST)[p]hornkiller,

I don't have any qualms with those whose life is hunting. It's their passion and their perrogative to do so. I only take issue with those who would agrandize themselves because of it over those who don't.

I also have no issue with trophy hunters, only those who think everyone else should be one too.
 
"Good point. American Idol always includes footage of those who are horrendous singers just to keep it interesting as well."

I'm not so sure I'd admit to watching American Idol on a public hunting forum.........I'm just sayin :)
 
I think where a large percentage of the negativity comes from is when people post a score of their animal.
Pictures are decieving (proven by Monarch's contest) but there are people that score their animals more than what they actually are intentional or unintentional.
Not saying to not post scores, cause I like to see the numbers too but just be prepared to defend it (have a thick skin)...

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
Good Post Archerycrazy...but more me, I just want to thank you for your service!!
 
Thanx to servicemen who gave their lives a LONG time ago we have the freedom of speech,and you have the freedom to not read their posts,so get over yourself.
 
I enjoy the opportunity to serve our country, and I appreciate the gratitude some have expressed for my military service.

I thank all of you in return for the hard work and dedication that you provide to our communities and whatever role you play in it. Our country needs all of its citizens to make it great, not just service men and women.
 

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