Utah DWR Northern Utah Rifle Permits

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The Utah DWR took all the unsold archery permits that were in northern Utah and turned them into over the counter rifle tags. Seems as if the management plan for those particular units was thrown out the window to sell 1300 tags and bring in and extra $50000.

Does anybody else see this as just plain wrong?
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-09-12 AT 03:14PM (MST)[p]If that's true, it doesn't make sense. I wished they would extend the "no rifle hunting" zone further north up the Wasatch Front to include up to Sardine Canyon. Just think of the late-season archery tags that they would sell if the back side of snowbasin and Ben Lomond held the quality and quantity of bucks that big and little cottonwood do????????????


If they need money that bad, they should just auction off another antelope island tag, but archery only. Speaking of which......are they having mule deer hunts out in the island this year like last year? If so, any clue as to what the auction tag went for??


"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"
 
It's kind of funny how they sold out in 2011, now they have a new master plan minus 13,000 tags and they can't even sell them!
 
There is a press release on the DWR website confirming the basic facts of this posts. Permits went on sale today. What a terrible precedent. And when the deer herd doesn't bounce back in these northern units, the DWR won't be able to figure out why.
Bill
 
Agreed. I was picking up my "Dedicated Hunter permit" a few weeks ago and a lady came in to trade in her muzzleloader Cache deer tag for a muzzleloader Ogden tag. I asked the lady if there were any unsold permits and she mentioned 1200 or so tags for the muzzleloader and that if they went unsold they would flip them to rifle tags.
 
It is unreal that they haven't even given the new management plan 1 year, and they are already going against what it was intended to do. This proves the Utah DWR could care less about the deer herds. The dollar is king.
 
Very shameful!!!! Just cause the tag is there doesn't mean it has to be used! Oh wait the tag was never there for rifle it was converted! This is so disappointing! How is it ever going to get better?? Money indeed is the route of all evil!
 
What a JOKE!!!! The cache unit was a 3 day hunt what two years ago? Now they keep selling a piss load of tags what a joke. I hunt the cache unit and it still sucks. The deer numbers have took a chit, and utah dwr is not helping the numbers bounce back. Im about done with deer hunting in utah. I think i might start hunting chipmunks and squirrels till they screw that up.
 
Taken from the Utah DWR website-----

Weren't all of the rifle permits taken earlier this year?

The rifle permits that will be available on Oct. 9 were originally archery and muzzleloader permits that archery and muzzleloader hunters didn't take.

"These permits will become rifle permits on Oct. 9," says Judi Tutorow, wildlife licensing coordinator for the Division of Wildlife Resources. "We're excited to give rifle hunters, who didn't get a permit earlier this year, a chance to get out and hunt."

For more information, call the nearest DWR office or the DWR's Salt Lake City office at 801-538-4700.

Well Judy, according to your records you guys only sold 500 less tags than the previous year, now that you have 1300 extra, can you explain why? and what the hell happened to your plans of trying to increase the deer population? Utah DWR is a joke, and always has been a joke, its sick and pathetic--didn't you get enough money for the $5 predator control? I read 86,500 deer permits total--- http://wildlife.utah.gov/hunting/biggame/pdf/2012_general_season_deer_permits.pdf -- at $5 a whack per license that $432,500... paying $50 back for coyotes, we would need to turn in 8,650 dogs and you guys break even, since your so good with the number of our deer population, how about you count how many dogs that are actually in the state for us.
 
That doesn't make sense from a management perspective. I had to read it to believe it.

I bet the people that had rifle tags are going to be pissed off that another 1300 gun slinging pumpkins will be in the hills with them.
 
Why and I not surprised at all? I thought that with the smaller units and "fewer tags" this year I would have the mountain to myself on the muzzle loader hunt. This year there were 4 times as many hunters in my spot than last year! So much for thinking that Utah will actually try and manage the deer herd.
 
I maybe wrong, but I beleive this was written into the original plan. Otherwise all permits would be sold, it was hoped the breakdown would work and not rely on converting tags to any weapon permits. But from the begining it was stated permits could be converted.
Obviously there are units in the state that do not offer a good enough product to entice folks to use primitive weapons. Unfortunately enough folks will want a deer tag they will by these left overs, subscribing to Lloyd Christmas' phiolosophy of you mean I have a chance.
 
the guys in charge at the division are morons.



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Can we update this forum so posting with a
phone is easier?
 
FYI. when a tag is surrendered it is not resold....for example i turned in 2 beaver tags for box elder and the DWR person said they would not be resold. so in some cases less people will be on the MTN


How to start an argument online:
1. Express an opinion
2. Wait
 
Please take the time to write your opinion to the DWR themselves at [email protected]



I don't think there is any other quality
so essential to success of any kind as the
quality of perseverance. It overcomes
almost everything, even nature.
-John D. Rockefeller
 
Thanks for the link.
I did share my frustration with them.


Greetings DWR Representatives-

I felt like I should voice my opinion as a northern Utah deer hunter in regards to how the permits have been handled in units 4,5,6 this year. I am a public land hunter that is hunting an area that consists if primarily private lands.

I was actually happy that this unit went undersubscribed this year during the draw. I felt like it would ease pressure and increase my odds.
I have been frustrated ever since the archery tags were converted to muzzleloader permits but now to find out that all of these 400+ permits will be converted to rifle permits is unacceptable.
The root of my frustration with the DWR's decision is based on a few items:
1-Why not ease pressure on other hunters that actually put in the effort to draw the permit?
2-Why not reduce harvest to allow for a better experience in buck numbers next year?
3- The unit will already see 2600 rifle hunters. Now 3000!
4- Most that purchase these last minute tags will not be landowners and my daughter and I will have to compete with them on the limited amount of public land there is.


Please consider allowing extra buck deer to survive whenever possible.
Please allow buck deer to go unhunted when post drawing results show that the committed hunters have made their choice.
Please consider the overcrowding of one season when you increase permit numbers by 15% one week before the season.

As the Stewards of Utah's wildlife and the decision makers for all of us hunters, please take these thoughts into consideration before making this mistake again.

Sincerely,
 
>LAST EDITED ON Oct-09-12
>AT 03:14?PM (MST)
>
>If that's true, it doesn't make
>sense. I wished they
>would extend the "no rifle
>hunting" zone further north up
>the Wasatch Front to include
>up to Sardine Canyon.
>Just think of the late-season
>archery tags that they would
>sell if the back side
>of snowbasin and Ben Lomond
>held the quality and quantity
>of bucks that big and
>little cottonwood do????????????
>
>

>If they need money that bad,
>they should just auction off
>another antelope island tag, but
>archery only. Speaking
>of which......are they having mule
>deer hunts out in the
>island this year like last
>year? If so, any
>clue as to what the
>auction tag went for??
>
>
>"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"


I couldnt agree more extending the archery only area to sardini, in a few short years that place would be amazing, who would we have to payoff to make this happen?
 
Well after this year I doubt the dnr will ever be able to sell majority of permits for that area next year even if they rolled them over. Could u imagine sardine canyon and over 1000 rifle hunters, it would be a nightmare
 
>Thanks for the link.
>I did share my frustration with
>them.
>
>
>Greetings DWR Representatives-
>
>I felt like I should voice
>my opinion as a northern
>Utah deer hunter in regards
>to how the permits have
>been handled in units 4,5,6
>this year. I am a
>public land hunter that is
>hunting an area that consists
>if primarily private lands.
>
>I was actually happy that this
>unit went undersubscribed this year
>during the draw. I felt
>like it would ease pressure
>and increase my odds.
>I have been frustrated ever since
>the archery tags were converted
>to muzzleloader permits but now
>to find out that all
>of these 400+ permits will
>be converted to rifle permits
>is unacceptable.
>The root of my frustration with
>the DWR's decision is based
>on a few items:
>1-Why not ease pressure on other
>hunters that actually put in
>the effort to draw the
>permit?
>2-Why not reduce harvest to allow
>for a better experience in
>buck numbers next year?
>3- The unit will already see
>2600 rifle hunters. Now 3000!
>
>4- Most that purchase these last
>minute tags will not be
>landowners and my daughter and
>I will have to compete
>with them on the limited
>amount of public land there
>is.
>
>
>Please consider allowing extra buck deer
>to survive whenever possible.
>Please allow buck deer to go
>unhunted when post drawing results
>show that the committed hunters
>have made their choice.
>Please consider the overcrowding of one
>season when you increase permit
>numbers by 15% one week
>before the season.
>
>As the Stewards of Utah's wildlife
>and the decision makers for
>all of us hunters, please
>take these thoughts into consideration
>before making this mistake again.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>
Wrong salutation! It should have been: Dear Wildlife Board Members!

The actions of the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources are mandated by the decisions of the Wildlife Board. The DWR does what the WB requires of them. (See page 3 of the 2012 Big Game Field Regulations Guidebook, "Who makes the rules?" or any other guidebook for that matter!) If you intend to blame someone else for your delemma, then I suggest you make sure it's to the person or persons who can actually do something about it!

PS, Welcome to the World of Unintended Consequences of Option #2.
 
>>Thanks for the link.
>>I did share my frustration with
>>them.
>>
>>
>>Greetings DWR Representatives-
>>
>>I felt like I should voice
>>my opinion as a northern
>>Utah deer hunter in regards
>>to how the permits have
>>been handled in units 4,5,6
>>this year. I am a
>>public land hunter that is
>>hunting an area that consists
>>if primarily private lands.
>>
>>I was actually happy that this
>>unit went undersubscribed this year
>>during the draw. I felt
>>like it would ease pressure
>>and increase my odds.
>>I have been frustrated ever since
>>the archery tags were converted
>>to muzzleloader permits but now
>>to find out that all
>>of these 400+ permits will
>>be converted to rifle permits
>>is unacceptable.
>>The root of my frustration with
>>the DWR's decision is based
>>on a few items:
>>1-Why not ease pressure on other
>>hunters that actually put in
>>the effort to draw the
>>permit?
>>2-Why not reduce harvest to allow
>>for a better experience in
>>buck numbers next year?
>>3- The unit will already see
>>2600 rifle hunters. Now 3000!
>>
>>4- Most that purchase these last
>>minute tags will not be
>>landowners and my daughter and
>>I will have to compete
>>with them on the limited
>>amount of public land there
>>is.
>>
>>
>>Please consider allowing extra buck deer
>>to survive whenever possible.
>>Please allow buck deer to go
>>unhunted when post drawing results
>>show that the committed hunters
>>have made their choice.
>>Please consider the overcrowding of one
>>season when you increase permit
>>numbers by 15% one week
>>before the season.
>>
>>As the Stewards of Utah's wildlife
>>and the decision makers for
>>all of us hunters, please
>>take these thoughts into consideration
>>before making this mistake again.
>>
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>Wrong salutation! It should have been:
>Dear Wildlife Board Members!
>
>The actions of the Utah Division
>of Wildlife Resources are mandated
>by the decisions of the
>Wildlife Board. The DWR does
>what the WB requires of
>them. (See page 3 of
>the 2012 Big Game Field
>Regulations Guidebook, "Who makes the
>rules?" or any other guidebook
>for that matter!) If you
>intend to blame someone else
>for your delemma, then I
>suggest you make sure it's
>to the person or persons
>who can actually do something
>about it!
>
>PS, Welcome to the World of
>Unintended Consequences of Option #2.
>

Hey Elk-
My intentions were to share my opinion with the folks making these changes and announcements. I'm certain not everybody feels the same as I do. I addressed my message to the DWR because that is the email address (link provided above) that I sent it to. I'm sure it made it to the correct place based on the response I received.
Thanks for your concern. Sorry if you felt like I didn't handle it properly.
 

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