HEASTON EAST CWMU???
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deerslayer88
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I wouldn't eat the meat for one, and for two the operator is a jerk, but his hands can be nice.
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I know one of the retired geologist that worked for Kenecot and there are a lot of heavy metals coming off there. I know any place that has ever had mining activity can have this same effect of heavy metals in the water and soil. However if you know about them being present its best to avoid. Also I would not swim in the south end of the great salt lake either because they are scary high in concentration around there, but thats just my opinion as I have seen first hand what heavy metals can do to the body. My grandma grew up in old Hiawatha and she and everyone else that was exposed to the heavy metals ended up dying of cancer. Back in the day the mining industry would let kids play with the mercury and from there one can figure enough got spilled and such.
some good deer, I talked to the operator and he said unless you are a paying customer the only property you can hunt without him is the main canyon by coons. that is what I was told. he said if you want to hunt the other canyons that you will have to go on his time when he has no paying clients, and that there is a good chance you wont get to go unless you pay guide fees.
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There are some great cwmu's out there, but like most people say do your research and you will find some.
elkfromabove
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-14 AT 11:35PM (MST)[p]
Been there twice and you will be escorted either by the operator who doesn't care much for public hunters or by his unpaid help who treat you very well because they only get tips. (Make sure you tip him!) And you will be escorted to an area you're allowed to hunt because it's a working operation with buildings, equipment and employees in various places at various times. There are some big ones there, but most of those are in areas saved for paying customers. And you hunt on their time, not yours, so call ahead to find out dates and times. Then you'll be met at one of the gates or at the McDonalds in Magna (don't be late) and you may have to show proficiency with your weapon, though they don't do that all the time. You'll also follow the operator or help in your vehicle to the designated area (make sure you have 4-wheel drive) and if you have the operator you'll be given a time when you have to leave (escorted out) with or without your animal. Also, you won't be the only hunter. Have fun!
Been there twice and you will be escorted either by the operator who doesn't care much for public hunters or by his unpaid help who treat you very well because they only get tips. (Make sure you tip him!) And you will be escorted to an area you're allowed to hunt because it's a working operation with buildings, equipment and employees in various places at various times. There are some big ones there, but most of those are in areas saved for paying customers. And you hunt on their time, not yours, so call ahead to find out dates and times. Then you'll be met at one of the gates or at the McDonalds in Magna (don't be late) and you may have to show proficiency with your weapon, though they don't do that all the time. You'll also follow the operator or help in your vehicle to the designated area (make sure you have 4-wheel drive) and if you have the operator you'll be given a time when you have to leave (escorted out) with or without your animal. Also, you won't be the only hunter. Have fun!
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Elkfromabove - what gave you the impression that the operator didn't care much for public hunters? If what you described is accurate and if it happens often, it sounds like some changes need to be made because that is NOT how CWMUs operate. There are a few CWMUs that don't get it and the rest of the CWMUS are eager to get rid of them because they make all of us look bad. JVJ...we would love to have you come hunt with us on the Alton CWMU! Thanks Wade
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-14 AT 08:58AM (MST)[p]>Sounds like it wouldn't be fun
>at all.... how much would
>I need to pay the
>operator?
I guess I shouldn't have made it sound so bad, but dealing with the operator is very unpleasant. We had public two tag doe hunts, but it was $15,000 for a private CWMU buck tag when we were there and that's been about 10 years ago. And, from what I've heard from others who have hunted with the operator, tips from public hunters don't cut it with him and that's why he barely tolerates them and why he got no tip from us.
His help, on the other hand, can be completely different. We still were fully escorted and taken to a specific area and given a time limit and told which animals to shoot, but we were treated very well on that hunt and our escort got a generous day's wages as a tip. He also told us that he does it not only for the tips, but the fact that he gets to photo the big ones and can make money on the photos, plus the fact that he loves watching them. In fact, we saw several really good bucks both going in and coming out. There are some rather obvious restrictions, but if you can hunt with the help, you'll do much better. Whether or not the operator will allow that to happen could be an issue.
>at all.... how much would
>I need to pay the
>operator?
I guess I shouldn't have made it sound so bad, but dealing with the operator is very unpleasant. We had public two tag doe hunts, but it was $15,000 for a private CWMU buck tag when we were there and that's been about 10 years ago. And, from what I've heard from others who have hunted with the operator, tips from public hunters don't cut it with him and that's why he barely tolerates them and why he got no tip from us.
His help, on the other hand, can be completely different. We still were fully escorted and taken to a specific area and given a time limit and told which animals to shoot, but we were treated very well on that hunt and our escort got a generous day's wages as a tip. He also told us that he does it not only for the tips, but the fact that he gets to photo the big ones and can make money on the photos, plus the fact that he loves watching them. In fact, we saw several really good bucks both going in and coming out. There are some rather obvious restrictions, but if you can hunt with the help, you'll do much better. Whether or not the operator will allow that to happen could be an issue.
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-14 AT 02:32PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-14 AT 02:28?PM (MST)
>Elkfromabove - what gave you the
>impression that the operator didn't
>care much for public hunters?
> If what you described
>is accurate and if it
>happens often, it sounds like
>some changes need to be
>made because that is NOT
>how CWMUs operate.
>There are a few CWMUs
>that don't get it and
>the rest of the CWMUS
>are eager to get rid
>of them because they make
>all of us look bad.
> JVJ...we would love
>to have you come hunt
>with us on the Alton
>CWMU! Thanks Wade
>
Wade,
I know you run a first class operation and obviously welcome your public hunters, but as you have indicated there are some CWMU's that don't. Unfortunately, we've dealt with two of them (Hardscrabble and Heaston East) and in both cases, it's the operator's attitude and demeanor that has made all the difference.
Without going into too much detail, Terry told us to meet him mid-morning at the MCDonald's in Magna and not to be late (He was!). When we got there we found that he had booked about a dozen other public hunters, some who were hunting deer and some who were hunting elk. We were all told to follow him and were taken to a certain gate where we were then carpooled and taken to certain areas where the hunters (and companions) were individually dropped off and, in our case, told we had 2 hours to kill, field dress and drag 2 does to the road. The other hunters were then taken to their spots and undoubtedly told the same thing. My son, who had the tags, was able to shot both does fairly quickly, but one of them ran off into a stand of bulrushes. We were able to take care of the one that dropped in place, but had trouble tracking the one that ran off, especially when we got to the bulrushes. It was a lightly flooded area and we started to grid search, but our time ran out before we found it. When we met Terry at the road at the appointed time and told him our dilemma and asked for more time either that day or the next, we were told no, our hunt was over and he had other hunters coming later that day. We felt like herded cattle! And it wasn't just the fact of the numbers of hunters, it was the bossy attitude and the way he responded to our questions. It was obvious we were a pain in the behind.
With Fred and a different son's cow moose tag, it was a matter of restricting our hunting area, misdirecting us to a supposed moose wintering area (no moose there), uncleared dirt roads (we had to chain up and handcut 4 fallen trees) and a cougar hunt with all the barking dogs, heavy diesel pickups and horse trailers our third and last day. In the foot of snow, we never even saw a moose or elk track (2 deer tracks), let alone an animal. We met and talked to a couple of elk hunters there and they weren't any happier than we were. We never met Fred face to face, just over the phone, but we did meet his son who's the one who gave us the tip about the winter range and who offered to help us if we got one on the ground, for a fee, of course. FWIW, we did report this hunt to the DWR, but I see Fred is still in business.
I know most of the operators are smart enough to realize their public image is vital to their operation and, in fact, they naturally like people, but to some of them it's strictly business per the bottom line.
Now, I don't know what you can do with my opinion, but I certainly don't think the CWMU program should be shut down because of a few bad apples. It's a great program that is vital and needs to stay as long as it's working for the benefit of the wildlife and the public which I think it is. But I have to admit that if it becomes too invasive and begins to cut too many public tags, I for one will say something.
>Elkfromabove - what gave you the
>impression that the operator didn't
>care much for public hunters?
> If what you described
>is accurate and if it
>happens often, it sounds like
>some changes need to be
>made because that is NOT
>how CWMUs operate.
>There are a few CWMUs
>that don't get it and
>the rest of the CWMUS
>are eager to get rid
>of them because they make
>all of us look bad.
> JVJ...we would love
>to have you come hunt
>with us on the Alton
>CWMU! Thanks Wade
>
Wade,
I know you run a first class operation and obviously welcome your public hunters, but as you have indicated there are some CWMU's that don't. Unfortunately, we've dealt with two of them (Hardscrabble and Heaston East) and in both cases, it's the operator's attitude and demeanor that has made all the difference.
Without going into too much detail, Terry told us to meet him mid-morning at the MCDonald's in Magna and not to be late (He was!). When we got there we found that he had booked about a dozen other public hunters, some who were hunting deer and some who were hunting elk. We were all told to follow him and were taken to a certain gate where we were then carpooled and taken to certain areas where the hunters (and companions) were individually dropped off and, in our case, told we had 2 hours to kill, field dress and drag 2 does to the road. The other hunters were then taken to their spots and undoubtedly told the same thing. My son, who had the tags, was able to shot both does fairly quickly, but one of them ran off into a stand of bulrushes. We were able to take care of the one that dropped in place, but had trouble tracking the one that ran off, especially when we got to the bulrushes. It was a lightly flooded area and we started to grid search, but our time ran out before we found it. When we met Terry at the road at the appointed time and told him our dilemma and asked for more time either that day or the next, we were told no, our hunt was over and he had other hunters coming later that day. We felt like herded cattle! And it wasn't just the fact of the numbers of hunters, it was the bossy attitude and the way he responded to our questions. It was obvious we were a pain in the behind.
With Fred and a different son's cow moose tag, it was a matter of restricting our hunting area, misdirecting us to a supposed moose wintering area (no moose there), uncleared dirt roads (we had to chain up and handcut 4 fallen trees) and a cougar hunt with all the barking dogs, heavy diesel pickups and horse trailers our third and last day. In the foot of snow, we never even saw a moose or elk track (2 deer tracks), let alone an animal. We met and talked to a couple of elk hunters there and they weren't any happier than we were. We never met Fred face to face, just over the phone, but we did meet his son who's the one who gave us the tip about the winter range and who offered to help us if we got one on the ground, for a fee, of course. FWIW, we did report this hunt to the DWR, but I see Fred is still in business.
I know most of the operators are smart enough to realize their public image is vital to their operation and, in fact, they naturally like people, but to some of them it's strictly business per the bottom line.
Now, I don't know what you can do with my opinion, but I certainly don't think the CWMU program should be shut down because of a few bad apples. It's a great program that is vital and needs to stay as long as it's working for the benefit of the wildlife and the public which I think it is. But I have to admit that if it becomes too invasive and begins to cut too many public tags, I for one will say something.
>Elkfromabove - what gave you the
>impression that the operator didn't
>care much for public hunters?
> If what you described
>is accurate and if it
>happens often, it sounds like
>some changes need to be
>made because that is NOT
>how CWMUs operate.
>There are a few CWMUs
>that don't get it and
>the rest of the CWMUS
>are eager to get rid
>of them because they make
>all of us look bad.
> JVJ...we would love
>to have you come hunt
>with us on the Alton
>CWMU! Thanks Wade
>
Wadeheaton, I would be more than happy to hunt the Alton CWMU with you. But I'm far from drawing that tag.
>impression that the operator didn't
>care much for public hunters?
> If what you described
>is accurate and if it
>happens often, it sounds like
>some changes need to be
>made because that is NOT
>how CWMUs operate.
>There are a few CWMUs
>that don't get it and
>the rest of the CWMUS
>are eager to get rid
>of them because they make
>all of us look bad.
> JVJ...we would love
>to have you come hunt
>with us on the Alton
>CWMU! Thanks Wade
>
Wadeheaton, I would be more than happy to hunt the Alton CWMU with you. But I'm far from drawing that tag.
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JVJ I would go with wade Heaton their Ranch and staff has a reputation for killing huge bucks and treating public hunters fair.
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Elk - I really appreciate you being honest about your experiences. It sounds like you are not the only one that has had experiences like that with those CWMUs. There are some CWMUs that don't realize that public hunters are the most important part of the CWMU program....and they should treated as such.
I am on the board for the state CWMU association and on the dwr grievance CWMU board. I will do some more digging and see what others experiences have been. Individual CWMUs can be put on probation or be terminated because of unfair or mistreatment of public hunters. We (CWMUs) don't wont a few CWMUs making us all look bad and we are really trying to take steps to clean up our own program. We want it to be a great experience for ALL public hunters. Thanks for your help. Wade
I am on the board for the state CWMU association and on the dwr grievance CWMU board. I will do some more digging and see what others experiences have been. Individual CWMUs can be put on probation or be terminated because of unfair or mistreatment of public hunters. We (CWMUs) don't wont a few CWMUs making us all look bad and we are really trying to take steps to clean up our own program. We want it to be a great experience for ALL public hunters. Thanks for your help. Wade
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Wade maybe you should do away with them and hardscrable. There are plenty of other people to join as a CWMU!
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Boy do i have a horror story from this past elk hunt sept,21,2013. AND yes they have earned the bad CWMU rating from the public that they have.!!! WADE PM SENT
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Wade,
I forgot to mention that Fred put our cow moose hunt 2 1/2 weeks beyond the designated time limit for CWMU's which ends on Oct 31. We hunted the second and third weekends in November. That's probably one reason for the snow and the cougar hunt.
Lee
I forgot to mention that Fred put our cow moose hunt 2 1/2 weeks beyond the designated time limit for CWMU's which ends on Oct 31. We hunted the second and third weekends in November. That's probably one reason for the snow and the cougar hunt.
Lee
LAST EDITED ON Feb-20-14 AT 06:07PM (MST)[p]Wade Heaton,
What steps are you taking to clean up your program and which CWMU's "dont get it"?????????? I dont know how much research you do looking for reviews from hunters when it involves their experiences with CWMU's but if you spend enough time on MM, you shouldn't have too hard of a time finding people to talk.
Here is a thread that happened in Dec 2013 that has some info and there are other topics such as this that can found in the search bar.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b...z=show_thread&om=21489&forum=DCForumID5&omm=0.
I've personally talked with Todd Black and also shared emails. I know the program is up for review this year and I hope many are able to come and voice their thoughts on the subject. Either way, there are many that are not too pleased with quite a few units in the program. Check out the thread and share your thoughts. BTW. Has there been a date set for the review of the program?
Theodore Roosevelt's guidance concerning
conservation...
"The movement for the conservation of wildlife,
and the conservation of all our natural resources,
are essentially democratic in spirit,purpose and
method."
"We do not intend that our natural resources shall
be exploited by the few against the interests of the
majority. Our aim is to preserve our natural
resources for the public as a whole, for the
average man and the average woman who make
up the body of the American people."
"It is in our power...to preserve game..and to give
reasonable opportunities for the exercise of the
skill of the hunter,whether he is or is not a man of
means."
What steps are you taking to clean up your program and which CWMU's "dont get it"?????????? I dont know how much research you do looking for reviews from hunters when it involves their experiences with CWMU's but if you spend enough time on MM, you shouldn't have too hard of a time finding people to talk.
Here is a thread that happened in Dec 2013 that has some info and there are other topics such as this that can found in the search bar.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b...z=show_thread&om=21489&forum=DCForumID5&omm=0.
I've personally talked with Todd Black and also shared emails. I know the program is up for review this year and I hope many are able to come and voice their thoughts on the subject. Either way, there are many that are not too pleased with quite a few units in the program. Check out the thread and share your thoughts. BTW. Has there been a date set for the review of the program?
Theodore Roosevelt's guidance concerning
conservation...
"The movement for the conservation of wildlife,
and the conservation of all our natural resources,
are essentially democratic in spirit,purpose and
method."
"We do not intend that our natural resources shall
be exploited by the few against the interests of the
majority. Our aim is to preserve our natural
resources for the public as a whole, for the
average man and the average woman who make
up the body of the American people."
"It is in our power...to preserve game..and to give
reasonable opportunities for the exercise of the
skill of the hunter,whether he is or is not a man of
means."
Question
Do you think as point creep continues to climb, do you think it will cause more and more hunters to NOT apply for CWMU units in the future considering the draw backs that those hunts have, such as no scouting?
Theodore Roosevelt's guidance concerning
conservation...
"The movement for the conservation of wildlife,
and the conservation of all our natural resources,
are essentially democratic in spirit,purpose and
method."
"We do not intend that our natural resources shall
be exploited by the few against the interests of the
majority. Our aim is to preserve our natural
resources for the public as a whole, for the
average man and the average woman who make
up the body of the American people."
"It is in our power...to preserve game..and to give
reasonable opportunities for the exercise of the
skill of the hunter,whether he is or is not a man of
means."
Do you think as point creep continues to climb, do you think it will cause more and more hunters to NOT apply for CWMU units in the future considering the draw backs that those hunts have, such as no scouting?
Theodore Roosevelt's guidance concerning
conservation...
"The movement for the conservation of wildlife,
and the conservation of all our natural resources,
are essentially democratic in spirit,purpose and
method."
"We do not intend that our natural resources shall
be exploited by the few against the interests of the
majority. Our aim is to preserve our natural
resources for the public as a whole, for the
average man and the average woman who make
up the body of the American people."
"It is in our power...to preserve game..and to give
reasonable opportunities for the exercise of the
skill of the hunter,whether he is or is not a man of
means."
S
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I drew a cow hunt about 10 years ago. I'll find a hunt where I feel welcome next time. East Heaston has been discussed more than once on here. The majority of comments are -.
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-14 AT 08:32AM (MST)[p]>Question
>Do you think as point creep
>continues to climb, do you
>think it will cause more
>and more hunters to NOT
>apply for CWMU units in
>the future considering the draw
>backs that those hunts have,
>such as no scouting?
>
>
Not all units have the no scouting rule, I can think of one good one off the top of my head that does.
The biggest problem is, people simply do not do their homework, some don't even call the operator! You should also talk to at least 3 people have hunted the unit in recent years. There are some great hunts to be had on CWMU, but it takes a lot of effort to figure out which ones.
>Do you think as point creep
>continues to climb, do you
>think it will cause more
>and more hunters to NOT
>apply for CWMU units in
>the future considering the draw
>backs that those hunts have,
>such as no scouting?
>
>
Not all units have the no scouting rule, I can think of one good one off the top of my head that does.
The biggest problem is, people simply do not do their homework, some don't even call the operator! You should also talk to at least 3 people have hunted the unit in recent years. There are some great hunts to be had on CWMU, but it takes a lot of effort to figure out which ones.
Tony,
A few units allowing scouting to take place on their unit is not the majority. There are plenty of other draw backs to those units that I didn't mention and yes there are a few good ones that I know about. I've spent alot of time digging to find that info. Please name me a few ways YOU would recommend other hunters to find such great info.
The issue I see that could progress to be a big problem in the future is that the demand is going up. Point creep is reality and I don't see a solution to it in the near future. The fewer good CWMU units that we have and the more that hunters are aware of that, will create an overwhelming demand for L.E hunts causing a further backlog of hunters waiting to draw a LE hunt.
What i wish would happen are two things:
1- more user friendly access(customer review that is publicized on the web)to information and better detailed info and up-to-date information on each CWMU unit.
2-fair and equal opportunity and treatment for the public hunter versus the paying client.
Public hunters spend many years purchasing points and waiting to harvest that animal of a lifetime. To me that's just as valuable as that guy who has deep pockets and can pay every year for a great hunt. Those landowners and operators weren't forced to join the program. They should be treating ALL their hunters great and fair. They are invested customers.Treat them good. Maybe then, MORE public hunters would be will to apply for those units and use their VALUABLE points. But also at the same time, these public hunters should be showing nothing but respect to these operators and landowners and not act like they are a god send.
Just my thoughts
Theodore Roosevelt's guidance concerning
conservation...
"The movement for the conservation of wildlife,
and the conservation of all our natural resources,
are essentially democratic in spirit,purpose and
method."
"We do not intend that our natural resources shall
be exploited by the few against the interests of the
majority. Our aim is to preserve our natural
resources for the public as a whole, for the
average man and the average woman who make
up the body of the American people."
"It is in our power...to preserve game..and to give
reasonable opportunities for the exercise of the
skill of the hunter,whether he is or is not a man of
means."
A few units allowing scouting to take place on their unit is not the majority. There are plenty of other draw backs to those units that I didn't mention and yes there are a few good ones that I know about. I've spent alot of time digging to find that info. Please name me a few ways YOU would recommend other hunters to find such great info.
The issue I see that could progress to be a big problem in the future is that the demand is going up. Point creep is reality and I don't see a solution to it in the near future. The fewer good CWMU units that we have and the more that hunters are aware of that, will create an overwhelming demand for L.E hunts causing a further backlog of hunters waiting to draw a LE hunt.
What i wish would happen are two things:
1- more user friendly access(customer review that is publicized on the web)to information and better detailed info and up-to-date information on each CWMU unit.
2-fair and equal opportunity and treatment for the public hunter versus the paying client.
Public hunters spend many years purchasing points and waiting to harvest that animal of a lifetime. To me that's just as valuable as that guy who has deep pockets and can pay every year for a great hunt. Those landowners and operators weren't forced to join the program. They should be treating ALL their hunters great and fair. They are invested customers.Treat them good. Maybe then, MORE public hunters would be will to apply for those units and use their VALUABLE points. But also at the same time, these public hunters should be showing nothing but respect to these operators and landowners and not act like they are a god send.
Just my thoughts
Theodore Roosevelt's guidance concerning
conservation...
"The movement for the conservation of wildlife,
and the conservation of all our natural resources,
are essentially democratic in spirit,purpose and
method."
"We do not intend that our natural resources shall
be exploited by the few against the interests of the
majority. Our aim is to preserve our natural
resources for the public as a whole, for the
average man and the average woman who make
up the body of the American people."
"It is in our power...to preserve game..and to give
reasonable opportunities for the exercise of the
skill of the hunter,whether he is or is not a man of
means."
I'm sorry to say that I have been putting in for the heaston unit, I think I would have been pretty disappointed if I did draw the tag and then had a horrible hunt, and had to deal with all the setbacks mentioned above.
So what if I do draw a cwmu tag do I have to pay to hunt?
So what if I do draw a cwmu tag do I have to pay to hunt?
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JVJ don't believe everything you read. I have been one of these hands that help guide the unit. The operator is a real nice guy. He is intimidating because he has been in the hunting business for 45 years guiding and has seen it all. He has got cancer and is in his 70's so he doesn't march all over the mtn. But you have to understand that he is heavenly regulated by Rio Tinto (Kenecott) the mtn is a working business and every person has to be accompanied on to the property. Kenecott has their own wildlife biologist on staff that is basically the operators boss. They only have it as a CWMU to be able to manage the deer/elk numbers and the fact that Kenecott is a big enviro company and the biologist is a big time enviro they treat the wildlife as a stewardship to manage and they could care less about a 200" buck or 400" bull. She says what and how many animals can be harvested. She doesn't even let them kill coyotes/cougars. This operator has to take multiple Kenecott employees that draw out in the employee draw. They kill cow elk all the way until February. They pay him to basically keep the herds down. The proficiency test is only for Kenecott employees. Per the wildlife biologist if anyone -state hunter, paying hunter, or employee shots and wounds an animal and isn't able to find that animal their hunt is over. So make a good shot and don't panic. The operator isn't there to wine and dine you. There isn't camping allowed, no outfitter camp. So even with the guys that pay 10K they meet in the morning at the gate, and then in the evening at the gate. Up until 2-3 years ago the unit would produce 200" bucks and state hunters as well as employees were killing them. But due to the fact that Kenecott doesn't manage the cougars, coyotes, the deer have been taking a real hit. They are down on trophy bucks 40%. So my point is ease up on the operator and understand that there is a lot of politics when dealing with Kenecott. It's a hunt that you can hunt in the morning work in the afternoon and hunt in the evening, very unique geographically to the salt lake valley. If you want to hunt it I wouldn't be disenchanted to deal with the operator, just tell him you'd like to hunt with one of his boys and I promise that will warm his hart and break the ice and those guys work hard for any person man/ woman who wants to hunt hard.
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How about the 70 year old treats people right, and Rio Tinto can realize without the state hunters they will have a heck of a time managing the herds just saying.
Food for Thought! i would like to 2nd what was said about the Control and restrictions placed upon the operator on Heaston East!
What most people don't understand is what Hoops The Operator has to jump through every day just to take the Public/and Paying clients into the field. I am a contractor and work weekly on different KUCC properties, and I have to do mountains of paperwork just as the Operator dose to start my Day. In 2008 I drew 1 of two Public tags for Buck Deer. We Met Promptly at 6:00 Am and would basically draw Straws to be asked if you wanted to hunt Harkers Canyon, or to be escorted to various parts of Kennecott. I Chose to be escorted. Terry took us to several areas and we passed on about 50 different Bucks.I only had the One day on the Property and had to leave town the next day. I Harvested a Great 27" 4x4 and passed on Larger animals. Terry was continually advising me as to the rules that everyone who steps foot on KUCC lands must obey! One of the Main problems he has to deal with is the Board members. They are split down the middle as to how they think the Land and its resources should be utilized.Some of these Board members would like to stop the Hunts completely! One even suggested to form a green belt to allow the animals to roam into town! Just like the Kids movie "Open Season" What a Pipe Dream! Im sorry for being Long Winded in my comments, but also realize how many people would Love to Take this CWMU by Farce, or by Force!
What most people don't understand is what Hoops The Operator has to jump through every day just to take the Public/and Paying clients into the field. I am a contractor and work weekly on different KUCC properties, and I have to do mountains of paperwork just as the Operator dose to start my Day. In 2008 I drew 1 of two Public tags for Buck Deer. We Met Promptly at 6:00 Am and would basically draw Straws to be asked if you wanted to hunt Harkers Canyon, or to be escorted to various parts of Kennecott. I Chose to be escorted. Terry took us to several areas and we passed on about 50 different Bucks.I only had the One day on the Property and had to leave town the next day. I Harvested a Great 27" 4x4 and passed on Larger animals. Terry was continually advising me as to the rules that everyone who steps foot on KUCC lands must obey! One of the Main problems he has to deal with is the Board members. They are split down the middle as to how they think the Land and its resources should be utilized.Some of these Board members would like to stop the Hunts completely! One even suggested to form a green belt to allow the animals to roam into town! Just like the Kids movie "Open Season" What a Pipe Dream! Im sorry for being Long Winded in my comments, but also realize how many people would Love to Take this CWMU by Farce, or by Force!
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IF you are an employee of kennecott go for it.
IF not it will be just what everyone is saying.
And they do tell the employees what to shoot also.
I know of an employee last year(2013)that they were trying to tell him to shoot this deer and not that deer etc. on the way out they saw a BIG deer -the escort drove past it they stopped.
the escort turned around and said they cant shoot.They got out and tried to chase the deer across the road- the deer walked right at them and boom.Turns out that buck is the 2nd biggest buck ever taken by an EMPLOYEE.good luck on your decision.
IF not it will be just what everyone is saying.
And they do tell the employees what to shoot also.
I know of an employee last year(2013)that they were trying to tell him to shoot this deer and not that deer etc. on the way out they saw a BIG deer -the escort drove past it they stopped.
the escort turned around and said they cant shoot.They got out and tried to chase the deer across the road- the deer walked right at them and boom.Turns out that buck is the 2nd biggest buck ever taken by an EMPLOYEE.good luck on your decision.
