mzldr sights answer

mntman · Jul 24, 2015

here is a good way to set up your muzzleloader for open sight states like CO. I had been using a fiber on the front with the 6 o'clock hold (sucky way of doing it!!!) been looking for a different front sight. Found it and here is a article describing it.

http://www.gohunt.com/read/skills/increased-accuracy-from-an-open-sight-muzzleloader

Mntman

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TripleSe7en · Jul 25, 2015

LAST EDITED ON Jul-25-15 AT 11:49AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jul-25-15 AT 11:47?AM (MST)

Most rifle owners aren't gunsmith-savvy and have the know-how to match-up parts with their MLs. If there was a packaged kit in stores for the most popular ML make and models and such a kit outlined for my Knight Vision (for example), I would be all over that idea.

Want me to take out 1-2 screws - remove the old front sight and insert the new kit and install 1-2 screws, then tighten it down?...... sure thing.

txhunter58 · Jul 25, 2015

Tried it and didn't like it. Crosshairs just don't stand out in deep shadow or at dusk for me.

Personally I like the rear peep with a small front fiberoptic and 6 o'clock hold. To each his own.

Do a search under Marley on here and see what he did. He took an elk in Colorado at well over 200 yards with his set up.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

Idahoron · Jul 25, 2015

That front sight set up is what I have been using for years. I like the single post. The cross hair covered up too much of the target.

txhunter58 · Jul 25, 2015

LAST EDITED ON Jul-25-15 AT 04:32PM (MST)[p]I agree, I have that globe front sight on one of my guns and I use the post too.

txhunter58

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mntman · Jul 25, 2015

I have been using the 6 oclock hold but don't like it personally. it just covers up too much stuff for me to feel comfortable and I don't get the feeling it is accurate. I shoot it well using that technique but always have a ere feeling using it.

Doesn't take much time to order the parts and match them up, I had more trouble finding a place that had them on hand.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

txhunter58 · Jul 26, 2015

But were you using the 6 o'clock hold with a rear peep?

txhunter58

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mntman · Jul 30, 2015

yes I was, with the fiber up front. Don't like it at all that way. probably be better with a post or something up front but I am not sure about that either.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

FrontierGander · Jul 30, 2015

LAST EDITED ON Jul-30-15 AT 10:47PM (MST)[p]I think hes holding 6 o clock with the bottom of the fiber optic. 6 o clock hold doesnt cover the target at all.

You use 12 o clock ( tip of your optic) and aim 6 o clock (bottom) on the bulls eye.

This gives perfect examples of 6 o clock hold.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...561&thid=JN.eed8gK8tUeAzBe6v+2Mj1A&ajaxhist=0

www.FrontierMuzzleloading.com

mntman · Jul 31, 2015

don't know the correct term but I used the top of the front sight to aim, just don't like not being able to see what is all "below" that line. At 100 yards there is A LOT that a person can't see using that technique. if you are shooting 60 yards or less it is just fine, not beyond that though.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

FrontierGander · Jul 31, 2015

how in the world are you aiming?

mntman · Jul 31, 2015

lol.
here are two pic's showing what I am trying to say.
The large circle is the front fiber, smaller red circle is where I have it sighted in to hit when aiming.
At close range the fiber doesn't cover much up, but as you get out near 100 yards, then the 2nd picture is more what you are are seeing. Lots of stuff is covered up, I don't like that.

if a person was to try and shoot at 125 yards or more using that 6 oclock or 12 oclock hold what ever the correct term may be then your sight picture with a fiber optic up front would look like this third pic or worse. Yes at the range this style of aiming works but in hunting situation there are way to many "unknowns" and I am not aiming like that.

I can't even get the circle right to aim in the proper spot on the 3rd pic sitting here at my computer...

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

contender · Aug 1, 2015

Use the center of the peep ring to sight in on not the top of the ring. Then use a post and shoot at the top of the post. That covers up minimal target. Using that method your pictures show you would be shooting way too hi.

txhunter58 · Aug 1, 2015

LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-15 AT 07:06AM (MST)[p]Contender, he is saying that the circle he is drawing is the front fiberoptic bead?? The small circle is just his aim point.

Dam# mnthunter. How big of a front fiberoptic post do you have?? Mine just barely covers a 4 INCH circle at 100 yards (4 MOA and I just verified that). What you drew is about what my rear peep shows at those distances.

What you have drawn at 100 yards looks to be about a 4 FOOT circle. That makes no sense with any front bead I have ever seen

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

contender · Aug 1, 2015

Just trying to help. Mine is set up non fiber optic and with an Iron pin, file it down. File the top of the pin flat not round. The flat part is where your bullet will hit not over it or under it. You don't file down the peep just the pin.

txhunter58 · Aug 1, 2015

Here is a front sight for a knight that is close in size to what I use.

http://www.knightrifles.com/product/front-fiber-optic-sight/

There is no way this sight would cover anywhere near what your drawings are saying.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

txhunter58 · Aug 1, 2015

Here are a couple of good links:

http://riflemanschallenge.com/aiming.html

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

mntman · Aug 1, 2015

I had the smallest fiber front sight I could find.
don't know the exact size but I have changed and use the setup I posted above.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"