Bighorn and Barbary Success!!

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Got to go on 2 different sheep hunts this past couple weeks, both with my same friend. We were able to double on a couple nice ewes first. This was the first animals I've taken with my new 28 Nosler that will be going to Africa with me this summer and it was Roy's first Barbary. It was a short but memorable hunt!

Then this past weekend I was fortunate to tag along on his desert bighorn hunt on the Armendaris. A big thanks goes out to Kiowa Hunting Service for all the help! We were able to help with 2 of the tags and saw the 3rd ram taken before leaving camp. It was a special weekend with new friends that I'll never forget!

Pics to follow...
 
I wish! The Desert wasn't my tag. We think he was over 10. Very old sheep.

So far I love the 28 Nosler. I shot that ewe at 400 yds with the factory 160AB load and she never took a step. With the break on my rifle I saw the impact in my scope. Was very cool!

>Cool!!! Almost got the sheep
>Slam of NM haha. Very nice
>Ram! How old was he?
> How do u like
>the 28 nosler?
 
>small Ram for OIL tag..
>
>but congrats...to u both on success
>on both sheep and aoudad
>


I don't know anything about rams, other than I want to shoot one, but that looks like a good size to me.

He's got some character too!
 
>>small Ram for OIL tag..
>>
>>but congrats...to u both on success
>>on both sheep and aoudad
>>
>
>
>I don't know anything about rams,
>other than I want to
>shoot one, but that looks
>like a good size to
>me.
>
>He's got some character too!

Same here! Looks like an old bruiser to me. Would be thrilled to tag him.

Travis
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-09-17 AT 09:17PM (MST)[p]I normally don't engage with posts like this but this one really struck a chord with me. I will try to keep this professional.

First off, this kind of post is one of those that needs to be thought and not said if you believe it to be true.

Second, are you familiar with how sheep are scored? Are you familiar with what a good sheep is for the Armendaris? Have you looked at what rams have been taken there the last few years? If the answer is no to any of these then you have no idea what you're talking about.

This ram was estimated to be over 10 yrs old. Has bases of 16" which is exceptional for this area and scored over 160" regardless of the fact that he's broomed off at least 4 inches of horn on each side. Saying a ram that broomed off 8" of horn, and only misses B&C min by less than 5", is small is rediculous and disrespectful to the hunter.

I'll get off my soap box now.

>small Ram for OIL tag..
>
>but congrats...to u both on success
>on both sheep and aoudad
>
 
His opinion is its small and yours is that it's not. Can't everyone have their own opinion? When someone asks, did you kill a big bull. I always say, well it depends on what a person considers big. Everyone has different opinions. No need to get mad because his opinion on what is big is different than yours.

Congrats on the hunts. I wish I could draw either of those tags. Although the Barbary could have been otc.
 
It doesn't matter if his opinion is that it's small. If you're going to congratulate someone for taking a OIL Bighorn, you don't go, "looks small to me but congrats anyway." That's a backhanded, disrespectful comment.

Barbary is a blast. I hope you get a chance to hunt them this year. If you don't draw, find some time to get out and scout and they can be found OTC. It's tough, but can be done.
 
it is not disrespectful comment just asking.. hard to draw desert or rocky ram..

I killed many Barbary sheep..

good luck in draw...
 
Vini, I'm not trying to start a fight here, just rubbed me the wrong way so I responded. We can move on past this and get back to good conversation.
 
Good job Sheets! Even if I don't ever draw , it would be a blast help out on a sheep hunt . I don't know a big one from a small one , but all rams are trophies in my record book.

Nice rifle by the way!
 
Nice ewes

Don't mean to sandbag your buds ram, but he looks to me like he's growing his 7th year

Ancient old ram?

Teds desert ranch has a proven history of producing nice and truly mature Book rams on a consistent basis ever since it opened for sheep hunting a few years ago

No n?ed to blow things out of proportion and get all huffy with Vin for calling it like it is no

Anyway, good job I guess ;)
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-11-17 AT 09:54PM (MST)[p]Everyone who knew more than me about aging bighorn said they are pretty sure he's broomed off his first 3 yrs of horn. He's no doubt 10+. He was an old bruiser. To score 160+ with horn length of no more than 30 on either side to me is impressive. Last year 12 rams were taken off Teds ranch and only 3 went book with several not making it into the 160s. The quality may have been there in the past on overall score but it's taken a hit recently for some reason. Our goal was a 160+ mature ram. All 3 rams taken were 9+ with this one being the estimated oldest.

I've calmed down and broke bread with Vinnie. Just rubbed me the wrong way coming off the high of the hunt.

Oh and thanks for the barb compliment! Rams still elude me unfortunately. Still love me some sheep hunting!!

>Nice ewes
>
>Don't mean to sandbag your buds
>ram, but he looks to
>me like he's growing his
>7th year
>
>Ancient old ram?
>
>Teds desert ranch has a proven
>history of producing nice and
>truly mature Book rams on
>a consistent basis ever since
>it opened for sheep hunting
>a few years ago
>
>No n?ed to blow things out
>of proportion and get all
>huffy with Vin for calling
>it like it is no
>
>
>Anyway, good job I guess ;)
>
 
^well ok... gonna have to disagree on the "3 years broomed" assessment, ram has barely busted his lamb tips off, but whatever

Sorry to hear about the decline in age class and size on the rancho, but they have been hammering em pretty hard lately

Anyway, don't take it the wrong way, I'm sure you guys had a great time

Later
 
That ram is 9+, no doubt. Congrats to your buddy, Logan and thanks for texting me the pics the day he was taken. I'm sure you guys would have held out for a longer one, but if they aren't there you can't stretch them. 16 2/8 and 15 7/8 bases are almost unheard of. He got clobbered pretty good on the C4 measurements and that's what hurt the overall score. Still a dandy ram that less than 1% of us will ever experience!
 
Congratulations, it looks like you all had a fun time. That is what really matters.

I agree with greatwestern. That ram is growing his 7th year. He has not broomed off more than just the very tip. Those thin ends are what are called lamb tips. Impressive to have those bases on a young ram. I have also heard that the Armendariz has suffered greatly in quality of rams. They have way too many tags if they want to keep quality high.

For example here is a Rocky from the Pecos that is more broomed than that desert and you can still clearly see his 2nd and 3rd growth rings. They grow a lot those first few years.


Vini has been around here a very long time and I don't think he has ever made a mean or disrespectful comment to anybody. Things don't always come across well when typed.
 
Hi Logan, I have chatted, text and read posts from vinihunt for years and years and I guarantee in no way was he being disrespectful. Although when I seen the picture of the ram in question I thought the exact same thing. All of the rams I've ever seen from a OIL hunt has had full curls etc, and all I know about bighorn sheep hunting is that it's almost impossible to draw a tag and hunters we'll sell the farm and children to go on the hunt if they ever draw!

Congrats on a great hunt and ram!

Thanks for your time
Joe


"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
Joe,

I don't doubt what you say regarding vini. However, I will say that if you're seeing only full curl bighorn that you are seeing some of the best of the best taken. In my time here in NM and in sheep hunting (though admittedly only 4 seasons), I've noticed bighorn rams usually are not full curl unless they are giants. Heck it doesn't even take a full curl desert ram to make Boone and Crockett all time at 168". It also greatly depends on the area where the ram is taken. We researched the Armendaris and what was taken there the past couple years and decided that a 160s ram is representative of the upper end of the age and quality on the mountain at this time.

Thanks for the congrats. I've passed all these along to the hunter. He is more than happy with the ram and the weekend was a special one to say the least.

>Hi Logan, I have chatted, text
>and read posts from vinihunt
>for years and years and
>I guarantee in no way
>was he being disrespectful. Although
>when I seen the picture
>of the ram in question
>I thought the exact same
>thing. All of the rams
>I've ever seen from a
>OIL hunt has had full
>curls etc, and all I
>know about bighorn sheep hunting
>is that it's almost impossible
>to draw a tag and
>hunters we'll sell the farm
>and children to go on
>the hunt if they ever
>draw!
>
>Congrats on a great hunt and
>ram!
>
>Thanks for your time
>Joe
>
>
>"Sometimes you do things wrong for
>so long you
>think their right" - 2001
>"I can't argue with honesty" -
>2005
>-Joe E Sikora
 
^you guys,degree of curl has no direct correlation to size/score...rams come in all shapes and sizes, it's all about proportion no

The alpine herds in our state are notorious for producing old, broomed rams (like NMhunter's example above) with a very tight, close curl, and subsequently not as much length as wold be expected...such rams have a tendency to have relatively weak bases as well, which quite obviously affects their quarter measurements, which doesn't add up to very high scores....beautiful, OLD trophy rams nevertheless

There are also plenty of young rams that make full curl by virtue of their intact lamb tips...these also generally will not score very well regardless of base size, as they dont have enough age on them for whatever mass they do possess to carry out thru the 2nd and 3rd quarters

Some of the biggest rams out there would never make a full curl due to their very open, deep dropping horn conformation...think Montana's breaks, and quite a few of the rams of our own Rio herd that were born after the transplant

AGE is the number one factor when looking to kill a "trophy" sheep, but that and a lot of other factors might be a rant for another time...but what the hell would I know anyway :)

Would be curious to know what G&F aged this ram at when buddy got him sealed?

Again, don't take the wrong way, sounds like you guys did the best you could and had a great time out there

Later
 
Quite a while ago. I had to look back through my archived pictures. It was taken in June 2008. I had it in my photobucket account so I could post it easily.
 
I agree with this! The prob with the G&F in this instance is they didn't do their job in providing an experienced sheep guy when he had him plugged. The guy that did it had never scored or aged a ram before for the G&F records so you can't count what he said. For example...we had an official SCI scorer score him in camp and the G&F guy scored him almost 5 full inches smaller.

>^you guys,degree of curl has no
>direct correlation to size/score...rams come
>in all shapes and sizes,
>it's all about proportion no
>
>
>The alpine herds in our state
>are notorious for producing old,
>broomed rams (like NMhunter's example
>above) with a very tight,
>close curl, and subsequently not
>as much length as wold
>be expected...such rams have a
>tendency to have relatively weak
>bases as well, which quite
>obviously affects their quarter measurements,
>which doesn't add up to
>very high scores....beautiful, OLD trophy
>rams nevertheless
>
>There are also plenty of young
>rams that make full curl
>by virtue of their intact
>lamb tips...these also generally will
>not score very well regardless
>of base size, as they
>dont have enough age on
>them for whatever mass they
>do possess to carry out
>thru the 2nd and 3rd
>quarters
>
>Some of the biggest rams out
>there would never make a
>full curl due to their
>very open, deep dropping horn
>conformation...think Montana's breaks, and quite
>a few of the rams
>of our own Rio herd
>that were born after the
>transplant
>
>AGE is the number one factor
>when looking to kill a
>"trophy" sheep, but that and
>a lot of other factors
>might be a rant for
>another time...but what the hell
>would I know anyway :)
>
>
>Would be curious to know what
>G&F aged this ram at
>when buddy got him sealed?
>
>
>Again, don't take the wrong way,
>sounds like you guys did
>the best you could and
>had a great time out
>there
>
>Later
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-17 AT 06:56PM (MST)[p]Shucks man, sounds like you guys checked ram in at Cruces no? It seems every time we've taken one in there, it was measured by a guy who'd never laid hands on one of the dang things :)

I think the aging discrepancy has to do with whomever did the addition counting what appear to be a few false annuli...a true annulus (growth ring) will always completely circumnavigate the horn across its length axis

Also, if ram had indeed broomed off his 1st 3 years, he'd be broke off between his 1st and second quarters...which while extremely rare, actually does happen sometimes

Anyway, I could be wrong about the age, but that's how it appears to me for whatever its worth to ya

Later
 
Hi greatwestern, this is what I love about MM, there is a ton of good info on here!

There's also a good deal of BS, but sometimes I like the BS just as much?
That' goes out to my ole buddy Bobcat AKA ELKASSASIN

Thanks Joe


"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
Greatwestern this ram was actually checked in at the Sante Fe office which is why we were so dissapointed at the treatment my buddy received even after calling ahead as soon as he left the ranch.
 
Thanks NMHunter, I took that ram in 2011, thought I recognized that chip at the dark growth ring, game and fish in santa fe aged him at 15 yrs in 2011, lemme know if you have any more live pics, super cool to see a blast from the past, thanks for posting!
 
That is awesome! Quite the small world moment haha. Could you post a pic of him mounted? What did he score?

>Thanks NMHunter, I took that ram
>in 2011, thought I recognized
>that chip at the dark
>growth ring, game and fish
>in santa fe aged him
>at 15 yrs in 2011,
>lemme know if you have
>any more live pics, super
>cool to see a blast
>from the past, thanks for
>posting!
 

He added a few more dings since '08, the egg shaped chunk on the growth ring is pretty distinctive, bases are also distinctively small (13.5") which gives the impression of huge mass throughout but limits scoring potential. BandC is 173 and change after deductions.
 
I agree, it looks like the same ram. Pretty cool to see he lived a few more years. I never knew what happened to him. I have quite a few pics of him from that day.
Here are a few more.






My brother took this picture in July of that year as well. I don't have a good side on look but I think it may be him and he had knocked the right side off a little more.

 
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-17
>AT 06:56?PM (MST)
>
>Shucks man, sounds like you guys
>checked ram in at Cruces
>no? It seems every time
>we've taken one in there,
>it was measured by a
>guy who'd never laid hands
>on one of the dang
>things :)
>
>I think the aging discrepancy has
>to do with whomever did
>the addition counting what appear
>to be a few false
>annuli...a true annulus (growth ring)
>will always completely circumnavigate the
>horn across its length axis
>
>
>Also, if ram had indeed broomed
>off his 1st 3 years,
>he'd be broke off between
>his 1st and second quarters...which
>while extremely rare, actually does
>happen sometimes
>
>Anyway, I could be wrong about
>the age, but that's how
>it appears to me for
>whatever its worth to ya
>
>
>Later

I had mine scored in December the day after we got him off the mountain by the biologist in Cruces and he mentioned his scores were usually lower than the official score. As it turned out, he measured exactly the same (172 6/8)in February when he was entered in to B&C. I passed on a true full curl opening day because he was so dang tight curled. Thinking back about it, he probably wasn't much over 160 and I'm glad I passed. Mine was the smallest this year, so everyone made the lifetime book. White Sands has some pretty good sheep for the lucky person that draws a tag! Wish I could do it again lol!
 
Thanks for sharing! He looks like a totally different animal with winter coat. Here's the other side. Sorry about the hijack ltsheets, wasn't expecting to see my boy:)
 
Wicked ram 284, I remember seeing the pics when you killed him...all them rings add up to a lot more than inches in my book anyway, think he's still holding strong as the oldest hunter killed ram ever taken in our state...bad ass

Yeah Phil, it all depends on who you get...had the Dept be real close a few times, other times not so much ;)

I seen your ram btw, real nice old dude...think it was a great harvest all around off the Range this past season, my buddy Cliff took his friend out on that hunt and killed the unit's new number 2 hammer...think he went 183-4 if I remember right

Anyway, cheers dudes
 

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