2017 mule deer hunt success rate

huntfishall1

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Wow, just skimmed the ID F&G harvest chart and noticed how much the success rates in certain units dropped in 2017 compared to previous years. Not really a shock considering how bad the winter was in those areas. Let's hope Mother Nature eases up a bit for a few years and let's the mule deer rebound.

Thoughts on whether ID F&G should make any changes going forward in regards to mule deer?
 
I think that IDFG should only allow 1 "general" tag per hunter, still allow purchase of 2nd tag at nonresident prices but 2nd tag should be whitetail only
 
Some are even much less than half of 2016 rates. I see lots of central and eastern units rates in the teens. And look at unit 67, it's in single digits. Those deer need a break if you ask me.
 
I would also put some of the units at 3 point minimum. Too many spikes and 2 points being shot. They do that in Washington and it seems to be working.
 
I agree, states should use a three point restriction more often. The Steens Mountains in OR used to be the best trophy deer hunt in the state as a four point or better unit. The minute they dropped it the unit is not even worth mentioning in numbers of deer or trophy potential.
 
limiting deer tags to one per person would drop revenue and help our struggling deer heard. Unfortunately, that is the last thing IDF&G inc. has on its mind.
 
I have been all over the game and fish to make changes for our mule deer. Nothing will happen until we are through this next season of hunting since they are on a 2 year regulations cycle. I live on the border of the 3 best mule deer units in Idaho, thank God we had a mild winter that has really helped the animals.Last winter I helped set up a dozen emergency feed grounds and I also watched a lot of deer die. My girls and I had unit 49 elk tags this year and over the counter deer tags, in two months of hunting we saw maybe 15 does and 3 two point bucks. We felt so bad for the deer we decided to tear up our deer tags. In my opion this 2nd deer tag has to stop now, the late muzzle loader hunt in 52 is a joke. Unit 45 the trophy potential is way down the age class in 44 seems to hang up at 4.5 years old which means the cream of the crop is continuing being shot off as 180 class deer. I hope N.R. And residents continue to hammer the game and fish on there management you can't continue on the same path after a major die off especially in the general units.
 
...look at IDF&Gs actions. the last group in this state they care about helping is the average local sportsmen. they are intentionally trying to drive the average local sportsman out of the sport while so that they can send our forked horns back to washington by the truckload while getting fat on the non resident license fees. suspending honest sportsmens licenses for leaving their knife in the truck, shooting plague infested whistle pigs w/o a license, all the while funneling the draw tags to the politically connected through a closed draw process. the whole organization needs gutted and replaced, unfortunately we cant vote any of them out of their position.
 
I think it's important to remember that the previous few years before last season were some of the highest harvest years Idaho has seen in a long time. In 2015 the deer harvest was the highest it had been since 1991 and 2016 wasn't far behind that. So in comparing 2017 deer harvest (a year that they cut a lot of antlerless tags that were being offered in the years before) to previous years you got to keep that in mind. The 2017 deer harvest was still higher than 2013 and the previous 10 years before that.

The deer, in general, throughout the state have been doing fairly well the last 10 years with overall populations on the rise. Last winter was hard, but with this really easy winter deer are going to bounce back. I know there are parts of the state that aren't doing so well and some more specific management to those areas is needed, and I believe those areas should get that, but changing overall state regulations when a lot of Idaho's deer herds are on the rise is a little hasty in my opinion.

All in all, I think this fall will be really telling. If things continue to go downhill after this good winter then there is definitely more problems to address, but I don't think we will see that.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-18 AT 01:26PM (MST)[p]I always find it funny that states can't learn from each other. Hard winters, increased predation and more humans equals a disaster for deer. Oregon had close to 500,000 mule deer 20 to 30 years ago now we have less than half that. Why?? All the reason's above. States react to slow. Idaho's population is growing like crazy and has to learn from Oregon and get ahead of the curve instead of behind it or you'll end up in the same place as Oregon is now. Unfortunately I agree they want the NR tag fee from hunters like me.
Sorry Idaho but if Fish and Game doesn't do something soon you'll be like me and just be remembering the good old days.
 
>I think it's important to remember
>that the previous few years
>before last season were some
>of the highest harvest years
>Idaho has seen in a
>long time. In 2015 the
>deer harvest was the highest
>it had been since 1991
>and 2016 wasn't far behind
>that. So in comparing 2017
>deer harvest (a year that
>they cut a lot of
>antlerless tags that were being
>offered in the years before)
>to previous years you got
>to keep that in mind.
>The 2017 deer harvest was
>still higher than 2013 and
>the previous 10 years before
>that.
>
>The deer, in general, throughout the
>state have been doing fairly
>well the last 10 years
>with overall populations on the
>rise. Last winter was hard,
>but with this really easy
>winter deer are going to
>bounce back. I know there
>are parts of the state
>that aren't doing so well
>and some more specific management
>to those areas is needed,
>and I believe those areas
>should get that, but changing
>overall state regulations when a
>lot of Idaho's deer herds
>are on the rise is
>a little hasty in my
>opinion.
>
>All in all, I think this
>fall will be really telling.
>If things continue to go
>downhill after this good winter
>then there is definitely more
>problems to address, but I
>don't think we will see
>that.


^^^^^^^^ What he said.

This echoes my experience to the T for the last 5 or so years.

I could not believe how many deer we saw per day last fall, after the previous winter. My expectations before opening day were pretty bleak, but I was pleasantly surprised.
 
>>I think it's important to remember
>>that the previous few years
>>before last season were some
>>of the highest harvest years
>>Idaho has seen in a
>>long time. In 2015 the
>>deer harvest was the highest
>>it had been since 1991
>>and 2016 wasn't far behind
>>that. So in comparing 2017
>>deer harvest (a year that
>>they cut a lot of
>>antlerless tags that were being
>>offered in the years before)
>>to previous years you got
>>to keep that in mind.
>>The 2017 deer harvest was
>>still higher than 2013 and
>>the previous 10 years before
>>that.
>>
>>The deer, in general, throughout the
>>state have been doing fairly
>>well the last 10 years
>>with overall populations on the
>>rise. Last winter was hard,
>>but with this really easy
>>winter deer are going to
>>bounce back. I know there
>>are parts of the state
>>that aren't doing so well
>>and some more specific management
>>to those areas is needed,
>>and I believe those areas
>>should get that, but changing
>>overall state regulations when a
>>lot of Idaho's deer herds
>>are on the rise is
>>a little hasty in my
>>opinion.
>>
>>All in all, I think this
>>fall will be really telling.
>>If things continue to go
>>downhill after this good winter
>>then there is definitely more
>>problems to address, but I
>>don't think we will see
>>that.
>
>
>^^^^^^^^ What he said.
>
>This echoes my experience to the
>T for the last 5
>or so years.
>
>I could not believe how many
>deer we saw per day
>last fall, after the previous
>winter. My expectations before opening
>day were pretty bleak, but
>I was pleasantly surprised.

After my experience last fall, i would think all of the Southern half of Idaho was buried in snow.

But there has been a handful of people who have said they saw decent to good amounts of deer where they hunted. I think some of those people dont know how lucky they are and dont know the bullet their unit dodged and some definitely do know. There must have been an area of winter range where deer had fair enough conditions to make it through to offer some good localized hunting last fall.

The units i hunted last year were just a fraction of what they were the year before when i checked them out. I would say that i saw no more than 30% or so of the deer i saw the year before in South Central and maybe 30-40% of what i saw the year before in the SE. The harvest stats didn't make me feel any better. Unit 66A hunters had a 8.9% (or something like that) success rate on deer. Elk hunting success rates are better than that. Some guys in the South Central part of the state were saying as much as 80% of the mule deer didn't make it through the winter last year. Maybe i hit it at the wrong time last October and the deer passed me up, but i dont think so?..

I think i know which direction to go to find that area of deer that made it last year. But it'll be back to square one learning new country. Sad to see such great hunting in so many places do a complete 180 to the rebuilding phase.
 
>It blows my mind that people
>will pay $300 for a
>deer tag and then shoot
>a two point with it.
>


Just remember that people who pay that much for a tag aren't going to go home empty-handed..they will shoot that forked horn rather than spend $300 for nothing. That's the part about non-resident prices that sucks. They charge so much, your typical non-res hunter is going to shoot SOMETHING, regardless of maturity. They don't necessarily WANT to shoot a small buck, but with that much coin invested and questions from the missus at home, theyre coming home with meat.
 
How many of you have actually bought 2nd tags? Why does everyone think that 2nd tag holders are decimating deer herd? Two of the guys I hunt with bought second tags after they had shot a deer opening weekend and they never filled them. I have bought 2nd tags twice before season and only filled one of them. After the winter we had last year I only bought a general tag and I didn't fill it. I did harvest a whitetail doe on an extra tag. Deer hunting in Idaho 2013-2016 was awesome I don't fault anyone for wanting a second tag. I have been hunting 19a,23, and 27 last 5 years and yes harvest dipped last year but no where near what most people expected. The percentage of 4pt bucks and harvest rate in 27 last four years is "the good old days"! Guys in 10a got into fish and game about quality and numbers in that unit and f&g took action. It's April 1st and it is looking like we will have an excellent fawn survival rate this year. No need for gloom and doom forecast for Idaho! If your unit needs protection articulate that to the fish and game. The whole state doesn't need a bunch of new restrictions
 
>How many of you have actually
>bought 2nd tags? Why does
>everyone think that 2nd tag
>holders are decimating deer herd?
>Two of the guys I
>hunt with bought second tags
>after they had shot a
>deer opening weekend and they
>never filled them. I have
>bought 2nd tags twice before
>season and only filled one
>of them. After the winter
>we had last year I
>only bought a general tag
>and I didn't fill it.
>I did harvest a whitetail
>doe on an extra tag.
>Deer hunting in Idaho 2013-2016
>was awesome I don't fault
>anyone for wanting a second
>tag. I have been hunting
>19a,23, and 27 last 5
>years and yes harvest dipped
>last year but no where
>near what most people expected.
>The percentage of 4pt bucks
>and harvest rate in 27
>last four years is "the
>good old days"! Guys in
>10a got into fish and
>game about quality and numbers
>in that unit and f&g
>took action. It's April 1st
>and it is looking like
>we will have an excellent
>fawn survival rate this year.
> No need for gloom
>and doom forecast for Idaho!
>If your unit needs protection
>articulate that to the fish
>and game. The whole state
>doesn't need a bunch of
>new restrictions .

+1 I've always called bull on the 2nd tag argument. I wish they would actually keep track of how many of those are bought and filled just so people wouldn't complain. How many second tags do they think are actually sold? The 2nd tag isn't hurtin our deer herds.

People are acting like deer haven't had bad winters before. Winters in Idaho have managed the deer herds for years and they will bounce back. Before last winter Idaho basically had 5-10 years of overall deer population growth. One bad winter doesn't ruin all that growth. Especially when you have an easy winter right after. Populations will be growing again before you know it. Some specific units need some extra help, but MOST of the state will be just fine with no changes.
 
The thing I wonder about the 2nd tag is how many guys kill a "meat buck" with their first tag and then hold out for a trophy with the 2nd. Doing so takes smaller bucks out of the population and hurts recruitment.

As for the expense of NR tags leading to more bucks being killed. On a personal level, I can tell you that's not always true. Buddy and I have hunted ID twice and we've eaten 3 out of 4 of those tags because we didn't see a buck worthy of harvesting. I'm sure it's true for some but not all. I seriously doubt that lowering the NR tag price would change that though so what's the solution??
 
The other thing I am finding with my friends is that as MT and WY keep raising their deer tag prices, it just makes more sense to buy a second tag here at home and develop new areas to explore and hunt.
 
I've purchased about 6 second deer tags in the past 10 years. I have filled 3 of those second tags, but have never filled two tags in one year. I buy the tags for the opportunity to keep hunting. My second has always been for WT's, first for MD.

Was disappointed at the 10a WT change. Best hunt to get my 3 boys together.
 
HA HA that was a funny read did you catch their original Head line ABOVE THE 10 YEAR AVG !! You guys watch this was a mild winter & the FISH & NO GAME Experts will offer MORE tags keep the 2nd tags just the way they are & claim again How many deer we have this year !! I am betting they add more doe hunts as well !!
 

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