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Naylja
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Jan-26-17, 
07:59 PM (MST)
"195" 4x4"

What do you guys consider a great 4x4? Does the word great mean he has to be over 200"? I'm fairly new to Muley hunting. It seems 200" is the Holy Grail but was wondering what the avg guy considers a great deer. I have a 185" 4x4 and a 194" 4x4.

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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: 195" 4x4  BIGJOHNT      Jan-26-17   1 
  RE: 195" 4x4  Naylja      Jan-26-17   2 
 RE: 195" 4x4  Soj51hopefu...      Jan-26-17   3 
  RE: 195" 4x4  WiscoKid      Jan-26-17   4 
   RE: 195" 4x4  liecabucks      Jan-26-17   5 
    RE: 195" 4x4  bonecollect...      Jan-27-17   6 
     RE: 195" 4x4  DesertGhill...      Jan-27-17   7 
      RE: 195" 4x4  pufftuffly      Jan-27-17   8 
      RE: 195" 4x4  bonecollect...      Jan-27-17   15 
       RE: 195" 4x4  DesertGhill...      Jan-31-17   23 
 RE: 195" 4x4  Fubarracin      Jan-27-17   9 
  RE: 195" 4x4  Gator      Jan-27-17   10 
   RE: 195" 4x4  tx_packmule      Jan-27-17   11 
 RE: 195" 4x4  BrowningRage      Jan-27-17   12 
  RE: 195" 4x4  6x7      Jan-27-17   13 
  RE: 195" 4x4  Naylja      Jan-27-17   16 
 RE: 195" 4x4  SnkyHuntr      Jan-27-17   14 
 RE: 195" 4x4  Naylja      Jan-27-17   17 
  RE: 195" 4x4  rockroller      Jan-27-17   18 
   RE: 195" 4x4  Naylja      Jan-27-17   19 
    RE: 195" 4x4  BIGJOHNT      Jan-28-17   20 
  RE: 195" 4x4  elkantlers      Feb-01-17   27 
 RE: 195" 4x4  buckrush      Jan-28-17   21 
  RE: 195" 4x4  Naylja      Jan-30-17   22 
 RE: 195" 4x4  Robiland      Jan-31-17   24 
  RE: 195" 4x4  nripepi      Jan-31-17   25 
  RE: 195" 4x4  Burro42      Feb-01-17   26 

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BIGJOHNT
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Jan-26-17, 
08:10 PM (MST)
1. "RE: 195" 4x4"

It's just a number !!! If he tickles your fancy it doesn't matter what he scored. There are a lot of awesome bucks out there that don't score well. But I would love to take them. A 190 class buck is a trophy in anyone's book. Congrats on your bucks.

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Naylja
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Jan-26-17, 
09:12 PM (MST)
2. "RE: 195" 4x4"

I am in100% agreement!!

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Soj51hopefull
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Jan-26-17, 
09:30 PM (MST)
3. "RE: 195" 4x4"

I would wager that the "average" hunter would consider a 160" 4x4 a great deer. Me included.

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Jan-26-17, 
10:57 PM (MST)
4. "RE: 195" 4x4"

170 is a GREAT deer in my book.

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Jan-26-17, 
11:10 PM (MST)
5. "RE: 195" 4x4"


I just want to look at them. Post em up!


Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...

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Jan-27-17, 
09:56 AM (MST)
6. "RE: 195" 4x4"

LAST EDITED ON Jan-27-17 AT 09:56 AM (MST)

Anything that big is giant. I don't know the average but I would bet with all the deer killed every year including meat bucks the average sized mule deer is less than 120" probably smaller. Think of all the hunters out there and realize that probably only 10-15% of them will ever kill a true 170"+ buck. In reality a 160" deer is a nice four point. Over 170" into 180 and 190 is really big. Once you break the 200 inch Mark that's just stupid big.

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DesertGhillie
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Jan-27-17, 
10:52 AM (MST)
7. "RE: 195" 4x4"

A 190"+ typical is less than 1% of deer on most of the continent. I don't count the AZ Strip or some of these premium ranches, because they just don't count in my book. They might as well be high fence deer. Sorry if that hurt some feelings, but that's how I see it. It's not challenging when the only people that get to hunt them are the stupid lucky or the extremely rich that fork over the price of a car, and then go through the trail cam pics with the outfitter to pick which deer they want, and which watering hole to ambush them at. Sounds more like paying for a high priced escort than hunting. LOL.

So yes, your 194" 4x4 is an insane benchmark, unless you took him in one of the above scenarios

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Jan-27-17, 
11:41 AM (MST)
8. "RE: 195" 4x4"

It doesn't matter antler size. A true trophy is a buck at least 8 years old. 5 and 6 year olds are just to easy to kill. Well at least according to Pigboy anyway.

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bonecollector777
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Jan-27-17, 
04:44 PM (MST)
15. "RE: 195" 4x4"

I agree with the rich people thing where they pay a bunch of money but besides that you must have never hunted the strip before. Some of the hardest hunting you'll ever do. Low deer numbers and a huge amount of land. It's not the deers fault or the hunters fault that they are out in the middle of nowhere. People work super hard to kill those deer.

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DesertGhillie
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Jan-31-17, 
10:50 AM (MST)
23. "RE: 195" 4x4"

>I agree with the rich people
>thing where they pay a
>bunch of money but besides
>that you must have never
>hunted the strip before. Some
>of the hardest hunting you'll
>ever do. Low deer numbers
>and a huge amount of
>land. It's not the deers
>fault or the hunters fault
>that they are out in
>the middle of nowhere. People
>work super hard to kill
>those deer.

If outfitters and trail cams didn't sit on these deer all year, than I'd agree with you, what a hunt that would be! I also agree that those trail cams and outfitters work super hard, but they're not the shooter, so what kind of accomplishment is that? It's not.

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Jan-27-17, 
12:08 PM (MST)
9. "RE: 195" 4x4"

I have a 120 inch 3x4 at the taxidermist right now in my mind he's a great buck because I killed him with my smoke pole at 12 yards with my wife and best friend watching and he never even knew I existed. Score means less than the hunt!

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Jan-27-17, 
12:27 PM (MST)
10. "RE: 195" 4x4"

To me a Big/Good buck is the one that trips my trigger finger that day. Seem to me that you have a couple of good ones that did just that........

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tx_packmule
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Jan-27-17, 
12:50 PM (MST)
11. "RE: 195" 4x4"

one that is exceptional is one of the categories of mass, width, tine length, beams, etc. Score may not always be great and can vary by location, but you usually know "great" when you see it.

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BrowningRage
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Jan-27-17, 
01:46 PM (MST)
12. "RE: 195" 4x4"

Pictures would be nice...

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Jan-27-17, 
02:40 PM (MST)
13. "RE: 195" 4x4"

I would be more then happy with a 180 buck but then it's all relevant to where your hunting I'm talking California rocky Mtn Muleys ,then Within the state if I hunted other subspecies of mule deer I would lower my happiness standards .

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Naylja
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Jan-27-17, 
07:32 PM (MST)
16. "RE: 195" 4x4"


This is my deer from this year. Sonora Mexico free range.

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SnkyHuntr
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Jan-27-17, 
04:25 PM (MST)
14. "RE: 195" 4x4"

I am a true believer in how the animal makes you feel versus what it ends up scoring. Like others have said, score is just a number. The experience and memories will always outlast the score. Here is my 2015 SJ Archery Buck. He ended up scoring lower than expected but that doesn't matter, he is exactly what I was looking for. He is Wide, Heavy, & had extras.

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Naylja
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Jan-27-17, 
07:43 PM (MST)
17. "RE: 195" 4x4"


This was my Sonora deer from last year.

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Jan-27-17, 
11:00 PM (MST)
18. "RE: 195" 4x4"

I like the mass ,a 170 buck that is heavy beats a 200"willow horn in my book!

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Naylja
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Jan-27-17, 
11:21 PM (MST)
19. "RE: 195" 4x4"

The larger buck has more mass than the smaller actually. Doesn't look that way in pics tho I agree on that.

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BIGJOHNT
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Jan-28-17, 
00:23 AM (MST)
20. "RE: 195" 4x4"

>The larger buck has more mass
>than the smaller actually. Doesn't
>look that way in pics
>tho I agree on that.
>


Ya I'd pass on those dinks not two hundred inches! If anyone saw those bucks on the hoof they wouldn't think twice. Stud bucks right there !!!! Congrats !!!!

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Feb-01-17, 
10:56 AM (MST)
27. "RE: 195" 4x4"

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>
>
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>This was my Sonora deer from
>last year.


Please, for the love of Mike, No more ride em' cowboy pictures.

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Jan-28-17, 
01:13 PM (MST)
21. "RE: 195" 4x4"

Here's how I think about 4x4s
170" is a great buck, a buck I would be more than happy to take every year.
180" is a big buck, first day shooter on any general hunt
190" is a giant buck, first day shooter on trophy hunts
200'' as a 4x4 is a WORLD CLASS giant that's a lot more rare than people think.

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Naylja
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Jan-30-17, 
07:48 AM (MST)
22. "RE: 195" 4x4"

Thanks guys! I love these two bucks but score gets caught up in every conversation. Trophy is in the hunters eyes in my opinion. I knew I got lucky on these two and may never top these but just wanted to know what most Muley hunters thought on 4x4s. I have a 3x3 that doesn't score much but may be my favorite deer because he's very unique and was 10+ years old. He got away from me and I looked for him 3 days before catching up to him so the hunt was fun also!

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Robiland
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Jan-31-17, 
01:24 PM (MST)
24. "RE: 195" 4x4"

Here is my biggest archery buck from a few years ago.

20" wide, 4x4 that went 175.

http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/robiland/media/Big%20Game%20Hunting/1329191263.jpg.html>

Here is another buck from 2 years ago that is just shy of 31" wide and went 182.

http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/robiland/media/Wyoming%20Deer%20hunt/20150915_080644_zpscxcsarsl.jpg.html>

Both are huge to me. Do I want a bigger buck, of course, who doesnt?

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Jan-31-17, 
02:50 PM (MST)
25. "RE: 195" 4x4"

If he is over 180" he is great in my book and most people's books, I haven't seen a 180" 4X4 that was not a great buck.

There are great bucks under 180 as well, you just need something to make them great, mass, width...

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Feb-01-17, 
09:31 AM (MST)
26. "RE: 195" 4x4"

Both awesome bucks!! Congrats!!

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