Utah LE is ~49.999% preference, not bonus. Utah LE mistakenly uses the term bonus, but it operates as preference. And that is why Utah LE is one of the worst designs for NR hunters - not the best. The completely saturated preference side of the UTAH LE system is completely broken for NRs. I would hope that WY is studying the Utah mistake and will avoid it, but it sounds like they might replicate the preference error.If a point system is required, I think Utah's system is the best overall: 50/50 Bonus point/Random
Utah LE is ~49.999% preference, not bonus. Utah LE mistakenly uses the term bonus, but it operates as preference. And that is why Utah LE is one of the worst designs for NR hunters - not the best. The completely saturated preference side of the UTAH LE system is completely broken for NRs. I would hope that WY is studying the Utah mistake and will avoid it, but it sounds like they might replicate the preference error.
WrongUtah LE is ~49.999% preference, not bonus. Utah LE mistakenly uses the term bonus, but it operates as preference. And that is why Utah LE is one of the worst designs for NR hunters - not the best. The completely saturated preference side of the UTAH LE system is completely broken for NRs. I would hope that WY is studying the Utah mistake and will avoid it, but it sounds like they might replicate the preference error.
100% agree!!There's a fundamental difference when having multiple bonus points vs multiple preference points. Both UT and AZ have it right, using bonus points for both sides of the draw. Whether the Bonus side is 50% like UT or 20% like AZ is up to the state and how much preference they choose to give to the max point guys. The more points needed to draw would favor a 50/50 split to get those high point guys out of the pools in my opinion.
The 75/25 split used by WY and OR also works but even there I'd prefer using bonus points for slightly better odds of getting low random numbers based on the number of points.
The straight preference system in CO is a non starter in my book.
Then 99% of people will never draw a tag and they will die with a pile of points and those who actually draw a tag will end up too old to even access the country.What if we just keep it the same as it is now?
But that will be the situation no matter how the draw system is set up. You can't change the fact that the demand greatly exceeds the supply.Then 99% of people will never draw a tag and they will die with a pile of points and those who actually draw a tag will end up too old to even access the country.
Why not include the female (doe/cow) in the same draw with bucks and bulls? There is already point creep in the cow elk draw, so why not just put these in with the bull elk draw? Is a cow hunt really any different than a spike bull hunt? I think most states lump male and female in the same draw. Montana has a separate draw for doe and cow, but Montana is in a little different situation than most other states.I am all about pure prefrence points. Having said that, I feel that you should have to use them for ANY male species tag you draw.
If you draw a tag, you go to the back of the line.
In a system that operates like that (for deer, bear, Pronghorn, elk) it's pretty dang fair to everyone involved.
Why not include the female (doe/cow) in the same draw with bucks and bulls? There is already point creep in the cow elk draw, so why not just put these in with the bull elk draw? Is a cow hunt really any different than a spike bull hunt? I think most states lump male and female in the same draw. Montana has a separate draw for doe and cow, but Montana is in a little different situation than most other states.
That’s why I’m trying to keep in the best shape I can. Pretty cool when the old dudes whack a big old ram.Then 99% of people will never draw a tag and they will die with a pile of points and those who actually draw a tag will end up too old to even access the country.
HAHA. Sure hope you don't have a little final destination action. But seriously why would we want to save the best hunts in some of the hardest and coolest country for the old guys. If anything shouldn't we try the opposite? Maybe for these super hard tags in hard lands we should give the drawing advantage to the younger hunters?That’s why I’m trying to keep in the best shape I can. Pretty cool when the old dudes whack a big old ram.
We focus on trophy elk, mule deer, antelope and moose hunts and take B&C bucks most years.