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Yeah DW, and I've never known the dude to exaggerate, which is why I think typo no? I could see 48 for sure Anyway, been good man, hope you likewise

^ haha, right bessy? hammer breaks rams, but I really cant believe some of these numbers aint typos...not necessarily the scores, but the particular weights and measures 19" bases?? 58 lbs??? but then, what the hell would I know about it anyway ;) do agree on them rams dying at a relatively...

Nice job bud, couple of good buckers!

Hang in there bud, still just glad to know you guys are OK! I know the aftermath sucks, but you've obviously still got whats most important...that thing was a real inferno, have some other friends that lost everything as well We had a close one a little bit earlier down here on the central...

Don't know why you'd need a saw buddy? I guess if you want bone-in cuts? otherwise, just take quarters off, remove backstraps, filets, neck meat, flank and brisket (a decently long flat edged knife works well for this)...let cool, wrap in tarp at the front or very back end of your truck bed...

Its a done deal man, way too late to get back to the good ol days... the future is obviously further advancement of tech, stricter regulation of such, and harder to procure tags...nevermind the ego trip so many people are on these days, frikken guys and gals will seemingly happily sail across...

Wicked ram 284, I remember seeing the pics when you killed him...all them rings add up to a lot more than inches in my book anyway, think he's still holding strong as the oldest hunter killed ram ever taken in our state...bad ass Yeah Phil, it all depends on who you get...had the Dept be real...

LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-17 AT 06:56PM (MST)[p]Shucks man, sounds like you guys checked ram in at Cruces no? It seems every time we've taken one in there, it was measured by a guy who'd never laid hands on one of the dang things :) I think the aging discrepancy has to do with whomever did the...

^you guys,degree of curl has no direct correlation to size/score...rams come in all shapes and sizes, it's all about proportion no The alpine herds in our state are notorious for producing old, broomed rams (like NMhunter's example above) with a very tight, close curl, and subsequently not as...

^well ok... gonna have to disagree on the "3 years broomed" assessment, ram has barely busted his lamb tips off, but whatever Sorry to hear about the decline in age class and size on the rancho, but they have been hammering em pretty hard lately Anyway, don't take it the wrong way, I'm sure...

Nice ewes Don't mean to sandbag your buds ram, but he looks to me like he's growing his 7th year Ancient old ram? Teds desert ranch has a proven history of producing nice and truly mature Book rams on a consistent basis ever since it opened for sheep hunting a few years ago No n?ed to blow...

Nice billies! Looks a bit frigid ;)

Thanks for the follow up Rattler, appreciate it...those things still freak me out for heavy game, but glad they've worked well for you guys Cheers, Adam

^I assume youre talking about the Hydracon? I think we talked about this before no? Anyway, I've got a pile of em sitting at home, but haven't had time to get a good MZ range session in...was pretty sure would draw in CO but didn't, so it hasn't been a huge priority Hoping to have the chance...

^THROUGH one shoulder? or behind? Hit any bones on the way in? They work great on soft tissue and light boned beasts, have killed a decent muley and a good antelope with the sst...just would shy away when there exists the possibily of encountering heavy bone Much better choices out there

For sure guys, I have much less of a problem with real adversaries than I do with those that vacillate and pander their two faced bullsh!t to both sides in the interest of gaining public support for whatever happens to be their ultimate agenda I can't stand fork tongued snakes and spineless...

I'd avoid that SST at all costs for elk man, I hadn't heard about the failure to expand described above, in fact my experience was quite the opposite...had a hunter use those things on a big bull and they were blowing up and pancaking on the damn thing's RIB bones. Had to shoot the poor dude...

^Floodgates to what exactly? Pretty hilariously ironic post for you to make here Jason...are ya representing yourself here, or NMWF?? I have clear and vivid memories of you and your cronies blasting me for suggesting abandonment of the ill fated and exorbitantly expensive Lobo Program...

Haha ya, you know I love ya MT MULEY, yer always good for a sardonic chuckle or two...the righteous, super self serious guys are always at least a bit mildly entertaining here on the big bad interwebz :)

What about units that are only RO and supply habitat to to New Mexico's largest elk herd? Come on Jamaro, whats your take? Or is this just another one of your insidious posts on behalf of the NMWF? Quit clowning around man, its getting pretty old no

Haha, and squirrely ol MT Muley chippers in with his usual reduntantly vague and pitiably PATHETIC comments Frikken chumper, haha :)

How about F.) As in go F yourself...presumptuous frikken tool I've killed elk and deer at less than 10 yards with my recurve, and hammered em likewise with firearms at relatively extended ranges; 658 for centerfire, 317 with muzzleloader Talk to me me about "laziness" and "stalking skills"...

^similar for sure, but definitely not quite as good as a high country grass fed Rocky, which might be my all time favorite next to high country pronghorn, followed closely by late season fat cow elk, also of the high land variety The deserts I've eaten have all been pretty good though...the...

REI sucks...yippie organization if there ever was one. Actively cancelled my membership back in the early 90s when I was still in my teens Exorbitant pricing to begin with, nevermind a continuous pursuit in offering inferior products at the same price point as formerly good companies sell...

LAST EDITED ON Jun-24-15 AT 06:50PM (MST)[p]Nosler Accubonds and also Partitions are great bullets, might check out Federals Trophy Bonded Tip as well...haven't shot the TBT yet but I love the old Bear Claw its based on There are also Barnes, Hornady GMX, and Federal Trophy Copper if you want...

Nothing wrong with the little 7-08 for elk...that bullet should work well enough, the Interlock is pretty much Hornady's version of a Core-Lokt or Powerpoint, both of which have killed a lot of big game when placed through the forward ribs. A more strongly constructed, bonded, or monolithic...

LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-15 AT 08:54PM (MST)[p]Cowtag, the Fiocchi "616" shotshell primers work best in my Knight and my bud's Triumph...they fit a bit more snug than the others and aren't too "hot", nor too "mild"; in my experience, they supply the most consistent ignition and accuracy out of both...

Nah, come on J, you know it aint personal...if you were present on your own account, then good for you. But I have always had a hard time distinguishing between your personal view and that of the ORG you represent? I hope you can understand how that might be probable for many folks no? Look back...

Hi jason, I agree that the LO system in general has been abused to a great extent...but pray tell, how do you come up with 50% gleaned off the top of "would be" draw hunts? How do ya figure that? Seems a bit exorbitant and a bit more sensationalized, but you're the expert spokesman, so let us...

Couldn't agree more Jack, our great state is one of the last "luck of the draw" holdouts, where lightning can strike anyone, anytime. Much preferred to the pyramid scheme of diminishing to nonexistent returns points systems invariably become. BTW---cute PM Prime, thanks for the chuckle :)

Oh golly, here we go...PM responded SH, you're welcome to get in touch anytime. But I'm gonna stay out of the "its not fair!" direction the topic has taken, so please excuse me. We've all had our share of hard luck draw stories I'm sure, but I don't think this topic is really the place to vent...

LAST EDITED ON Jun-01-15 AT 07:15PM (MST)[p]SH, I drew the NM side MZ tag again, so will be throwing quite a few vueltas in that country over the next couple months...go thru 81 quite a bit by way of course Hit me up if you need any current beta for the CO side Laters, Adam edit**---and Dos...

^Sorry bud, I ain't the guy to ask...some of the more hardcore MZ guys around here might be able to help ya I do know of some guys that have had their QLA cut off...shoot, if I remember correctly, Txhunter did just that with an omega I believe Or you could always do what I did with mine and...

For sure Tx, that QLA is a nightmare...very few that shoot any full bores very well at all...and beyond that, finding that special something that flies well out of a particular unit is another nightmare...yuck If you have that contraption on your barrel Ddoc, I'd have someone qualified cut the...

You might check these out ddoc....parker hydra con...just got some in the mail, haven't shot any yet...bob makes one specifically for TC barrel diameter this is one of his test groups out of a savage...check out the cross section of the bullet, pretty wicked design I know bob well enough now...

^its prolly these stupid phones no? Or youre on primitive computer service like I am...or maybe its the website itself?? seems to suffer from its fair amount of problems :) Rick, I do think that judging any age class ram from the air is foolish business, and that might be where the "class"...

Nah ya gotta pass him, way too young no! Still great pics Kiko, appreciate the post

And replaced the cattle with bison...is there any real difference anymore? The introduced 'pure strain' buff herd currently exists in the high country in far greater numbers than they ever did historically Ya gotta take it for what it is now, like most of western game populations... pretty...

Dont forget that the RCCLA holds close to a hundred grand directly adjacent acreage on the west side...the whole comprises a true jewel of New Mexico high country Like as been said before, for better or for worse **NO WOLVES** Gotta enough imagrant hippies breeding frikken hybrids around here

That is GREAT news Stoney, if it holds...And absolutely true about the "hypocrisy", the guy's actions seem to be the epitome of oxymoronic no With that said, there is no denying that the dude possesses some of the best country in our state, for better (in some cases) or for worse (likewise)