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Video taken by Christian Matosich, a friend who’s a guide in North East Nevada. NV. He’s not too active online so I thought I post this for you all to enjoy.
Is that because you are extremely familiar with wounding animals and know a bad shot when you see one? Or, are you just being an a**-hat again? Guess where my bet is???Neat video. Would not surprise me if the rest of the video is the bull getting up and running off never to be seen gain.
It's in the freezer.That did kinda look like the dreaded high shoulders hit, shocking the spine temporarily. Hopefully the downward angle as the bullet dropped caught vitals.
I've never seen an animal recover from a high shoulder/scapula hit. No animal can't heal from bone particles in the spine.Neat video. Would not surprise me if the rest of the video is the bull getting up and running off never to be seen gain.
Keep doing it and you will loose an animal. I've seen it and much more than just once.I've never seen an animal recover from a high shoulder/scapula hit. No animal can't heal from bone particles in the spine.
Tristate knows a thing or two about wounding animals and never recovering them. He is the expert in this category. Let us all listen to his wonderful advice and curl up next to the fire as he tells us tales of the early 1900's when he was a young pup with his pappy's 30-30. Crystate is the most ethical hunter there ever was.Keep doing it and you will loose an animal. I've seen it and much more than just once.
The longer the range the higher chance you have of it not being immediately fatal. I'm also not talking about what "heals". I'm talking about what gets recovered. There's a ton of critters that take a bullet run off and never get found but expire.
Did the bullet exit the elk and was a second shot fired?
That did kinda look like the dreaded high shoulders hit, shocking the spine temporarily. Hopefully the downward angle as the bullet dropped caught vitals.
I've been shooting long range for the last 15 years and have been hunting big game for 40. I've never seen an animal get up after getting hit in the scapula. It's like pithing a frog. There's no walking with bone fragments in the spinal column. Period. They might still be able to breath depending on how far back the hit is but both back legs are done. Permanently. Which is why their back end drops first. If the animal gets up, the scapula wasn't hit.Travishunter, why are you acting so butthurt over my posts on this thread????
Yes, I have lost animals I shot and wounded before. Yes I have even lost a whitetail deer to a shot placed almost exactly where this elk was shot. Yes I have also seen clients wound and loose animals before. Yes I have seen clients loose animals with shots placed much like this elk shot. I'm not going to sit and bullshine anyone about having a perfect recovery record and never loosing an animal. I am also going to help anyone smart enough to listen to learn from my, and others', mistakes.
This isn't about ethics. Learn how to read and get a thicker skin and a little longer in the tooth and then come back and talk with the men.
I've been shooting long range for the last 15 years and have been hunting big game for 40. I've never seen an animal get up after getting hit in the scapula. It's like pithing a frog. There's no walking with bone fragments in the spinal column. Period. They might still be able to breath depending on how far back the hit is but both back legs are done. Permanently. Which is why their back end drops first. If the animal gets up, the scapula wasn't hit.
I once worked with a guy who said that during WW2 his buddy had his head completly cut off and that he sewed it back on and his buddy was fine afterwards.Wow I saw a mule deer walk 2 miles and get killed with a mercy shot the day after it was hit two months ago. It had bone fragments in its spinal column and an arrow. I've seen whitetail get up after a spine shot with bone fragments. I've seen antelope get up after bone fragments in their spine. I've seen a whitetail that had bone and bullet fragments in his brain get up and disappear. I've seen mule deer get up after being shot in the spine. I've seen an eland jump back on his feet after a .375 H&H round hit him square in the neck and knock him flat. I have seen an aoudad ram run up a mountain after a bullet went through both of his scapula.
I've seen so many animals shot high in the scapula and go straight down that when I see it I immediately tell the client shoot him again. AND AGAIN.
SO did the bullet exit and did the person shoot the animal again?
what he said LOL never truer words have been spokenMM Members Disclosure:
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Tristate, why are you taking this one so personally? ThunderBall posted a video of an elk getting shot and dropping. He said the bulls in the freezer.Yeah who cares if people can watch a video and actually learn something from it. We just want to watch stuff die and vapor trails.
Yawn?Heywouldya,
I am not taking this personally. I made a simple observation that I would hope would help some people who read or watch these things and I have been attacked for it. If you go back and read the posts you can see this. I'm not looking for sympathy but when I start telling people how the real world works and these other non-hunters get their panties in a twist I realize its time to twist the knife a little and watch them scream.
Notice the OP won't answer a straight question. You don't get to see any real unedited video. The way these boys are acting you would think I spit on elk Jesus.
You want to post cool videos on the internet? Awesome. You want to tell us he is in the freezer? Even better. Just don't be surprised when people with some real hunting experience notice the shots are risky and the video ends with a wounded elk. Because that's a fact. The video ends with one very alive elk.
Cooper, talk all the trash you want. You are a liar.
Dance Monkey. Dance.?Yawn?
A Modern Day CHIMP Shot!
Only Took The Bullet 6 or 7 Seconds to get there!
Even if you found it, you’d probably spend more time making tik tok videosHey Thunderball, I can't seem to find the x-ray app for my phone so I can tell my target practice has put bone shards into my target's spine as soon as the bullet hits the target. Can you point me to where I can get that online? Maybe Amazon has it?
Drop a bullet. Thats how long it took to hit the ground way out there unless it was aimed up considerably. Also, your analysis needs to account for deceleration.3,000 fps = 1,000 yds per second x 6 or 7 seconds equates to at least a 5,000 yard Chimp shot. Must be a new Monster Muley record at almost 3 miles. Good thing his back legs went out from underneath him as it might have taken a couple hours to get to the downed bull (sarcasm intended).
My post was just building on your sarcasm. And no, I didn't watch the video. I've found that facts rarely matter for a good argument.Blue hair,
My post was filled with sarcasm but I even put it in parentheses for xtra emphasis. Did you watch the video? Obviously from the video, there was substantial elevation adjustment as verified by the vapor trail (is this what you mean by “aimed up considerably “). In any case, if the shooter was using a caliber capable of 3,000 FPS then the bullet would have hit the elk in approximately 1 second or less out to almost 800 yards.
I don’t understand “Drop a bullet”.
Thanks, it was a great shot and a great bull. The hunter hit exactly where he was aiming.I don’t know why there has to be negativity involved with this. Obviously it’s a fatal shot if the bull is dead and who cares if it took another shot. Congrats to the hunter!
It was a great bull and a great shot.I would guess that the shot hit the top of the lungs. Yes, the majority of the blood will remain in the bull as internal bleeding and not hit the ground in great quantity (hole is up high), but the bull died and was recovered. I am no long-distance shooter, but I have to say congrats on a good hit. Just my $0.02
You should write a book about all of your knowledge and experience, you really are your biggest fan, your absolutely amazingQuit being melodramatic buckbrush.
I am telling yall don't aim to hit in that spot. If you hit that spot and you see your target fall like that send another one as fast as you can. AND MAYBE ANOTHER. Don't admire your shot and the scenery of a large animal dropping in his tracks. Make sure your target is dead and then pat yourself on the back.
Watch that video. I wish the OP would post everything before it and after it. That bull's chin didn't even hit the ground when he fell. Its highly likely the bullet didn't exit the opposite side. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to track a bull elk with a single high placed hole smaller than a dime in one side????? What happens when you do it with a browny in Alaska or a Cape buff in Zimbabwe???? Now your shooting is gambling with men's lives because you want it to look cool on the internet. You ever tracked wounded buffalo or a lion????? You ever done it and you were the trigger man that put all the other men in danger????? Try sleeping with that crap on your conscience.
And I'll finally get down to the nutcutting with yall. If you think TRYING to shoot big game animals in the spine at long distance is ethical hunting you are an absolute irresponsible fool.
Assuming a perfectly level, with the ground, barrel and perfectly flat ground a bullet dropped from the height of the barrel will hit the ground at the same time as a bullet fired from the barrel assuming the dropped bullet is released at the same exact time the bullet exits the barrel. This is what he meansI don’t understand “Drop a bullet”.
Elkchaser, those are wise words.Hello Tristate,
Like you, I thought the shot struck a little high in the shoulders.
Whatever!
The OP claimed there were no issues and the bull is in the freezer. I was not there & I have no reason to doubt him. I am happy for him.
However,
I will say that, the longer I hunt, the more times I have seen big game animals "not react as expected"! Some were lost. Some were recovered only after a very long tracking effort. Some required one or more follow up shots, etc.. These were all after "well placed shots". This is especially true with elk, rifle or bow! Often enough, in fact, that it makes me even more determined to get as close as I possibly can for the shot, and I strongly urge anyone I hunt with to do the same.
The fact remains that, when we hit em in the right place, with the right bullet/ arrow choice, they are usually found pretty quick. But there have been times when they just didn't cooperate at all!
Elkchaser
now the fun might end.Guessing? All the beotching could be put to bed. mtmuley
Really? Not a drop of blood running out of it.?that hole through the scapula sure looks like a pretty perfect spot to punch a bull. Just sayin
?Really? Not a drop of blood running out of it.?
Try sleeping with that crap on your conscience.
Did you ever loose an animal? Did you ever loose one that was bleeding a lot?Lol not enough blood to please Tristate! I’ve smacked plenty of animals dead with one shoot and had very little blood.
Try, when you’re having dinner with your lawyer friends discussing what you saw on Monstermuleys that day do you tell them they have the same conscience of a whore?
?Ain't that just like a liar, I mean lawyer.
Hey the Peewee Herman defense quit working after 2nd grade.
You actually believe that if you lie to people enough it will become the truth. Won't happen sister.
Here's the truth. Trying to spine shoot big game at long distance is unethical and irresponsible.
ill go way out on limb and say this guy was probably not aiming for the spine. I've killed a few big game animals at long range and the idea is hold high shoulder/center mass and let the bullet do its work. now i don't consider high shoulder the spine but at long range it could still hit high like that based on many variables and still, such as this case, be a very effective shot. again, your always trying to stay withing the highest percentage of success and to me thats holding high shoulder out past 600. rather hit high then blow a front leg off. sure you've seen that right tristate?Here's the truth. Trying to spine shoot big game at long distance is unethical and irresponsible.
thats a tough shot....The OP says he was aiming for the spine.
Try, why did you delete your Wade Lemon is a sheep poacher thread?Yeah well this ain't the first time I saw someone dodge questions on MM.
You've always been a little loose with the truth. Ethics and irresponsible is certainly subjective. And I don't remember him saying they were aiming for the spine, but I could have missed it in all your ramblings.Here's the truth. Trying to spine shoot big game at long distance is unethical and irresponsible.
Here's the quote from the OP saying the shooter is shooting for the spine.Thanks, it was a great shot and a great bull. The hunter hit exactly where he was aiming.
Yes, perfect spot, right in the scapula, exactly where he was aiming.that hole through the scapula sure looks like a pretty perfect spot to punch a bull. Just sayin
I bet you've seen yeti, chupacabra, and a nun that says F**K..Wow I saw a mule deer walk 2 miles and get killed with a mercy shot the day after it was hit two months ago. It had bone fragments in its spinal column and an arrow. I've seen whitetail get up after a spine shot with bone fragments. I've seen antelope get up after bone fragments in their spine. I've seen a whitetail that had bone and bullet fragments in his brain get up and disappear. I've seen mule deer get up after being shot in the spine. I've seen an eland jump back on his feet after a .375 H&H round hit him square in the neck and knock him flat. I have seen an aoudad ram run up a mountain after a bullet went through both of his scapula.
I've seen so many animals shot high in the scapula and go straight down that when I see it I immediately tell the client shoot him again. AND AGAIN.
SO did the bullet exit and did the person shoot the animal again?
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.?I bet you've seen yeti, chupacabra, and a nun that says F**K..
I've seen pile of animals hit in that same spot, all DRT.
To clarify, everyone has been shot with a berger, amax, or eldm.