Again the pendulum swings back and forth.
I am a conservationist,builder and a carpenter,lifelong outdoorsman.Done some ranching too.Worked in a mill and picked fruit and stacked hay. Retired Park Ranger. Rancher again now.
There was a reason for the EPA and such.
Same with Park Rangers,Texas Rangers and most of the law enforcement agencies outside the US Gov. Military,US Cavalry, in the west.
Rampant exploitaion,abuse and disregard of the law.
The bunny huggers used the owl to a tee and folks bought the BS. The reason the mills closed in CA and probably NM is the mills don't want to pay you $16/hr to work there,and the rampant rape and pillage of a easily sustainable commodity with no recourse to the raper of the woods.And it's on OUR dime then.
Same just happened with the San Juan spill and the violator never doing any rehab let alone reimbursment to the US tax payer,THE OWNER.EPA effed up and gets all the blame. WE pay.
I agree with Paul wholeheartedly regarding ranching and welfare ranchers. I know some of the finest stewards of the land and conervasionists , are ranchers.
But I know more than a few that over graze,never pay and always blame someone else for being in the ranching business and not making it.All while collecting a Gov. hand out at the same time.
And Stoney, you would be hard pressed to find some cheaper grazing than US GOV. land in Catron County.And you would still have that full time job of watching your bottom end ,stock and deal with it full time. Before the wolf was the bear,was the Apache, was the wolf& bear & lion was the Comacheros.Ranching is not easy and most I know are at it full time. That's ranching and farming for ya.
There were very few ranches in Catron county before homestead act,started here in 1870's as part of the Apache wars that would last til 1900.Then the rush again in 30's.Last in the lower 48. So if a ranch was here in 1870 it was helped by the US Cavalry or left over from before,you know the 300 yrs of Spain and Mexico. San Fransisco River and all. Elfuego Baca ring a bell? And Not likely to be here during the Apache Wars for sure, or operating with out Geronimos knowledge. Then t was settled by the Buffalo Soldiers because they were not afraid of the Apaches and most of the Mtns are named for them,some still show Niggerhead Butte on a map to this day. Stolen or forced out.
So cheep Gov. grazing with the dealing with an over reaching,overloaded and under funded and understaffed agency the down side.BLM or Forest circus. Any Gubbermet agency except the defence dept. same same.
Are what some of these agencies and Dept.s of US Gov. Effed up,you can say that again in spades,hellya. Is it the same as it was even ten years ago,ranching hell no.
But go try and be a builder or a small business owner and make it nowadays.No effing way.Not in this economy and enviroment.
Do they not pay their bills on time and deal with some new BS thrown your way for today and then whine? Not many who succeed.
If you can't stand the heat,get out of the kitchen. If you can't follow this weeks FS rules try something else. Is it effed up ,hell ya.
Breaking the law and not paying your bills won't help either.
And the Bundies are nut jobs and armed insurectionist and terrorists in my book.
I think and expect more of you than that Tom.
I am a conservationist,builder and a carpenter,lifelong outdoorsman.Done some ranching too.Worked in a mill and picked fruit and stacked hay. Retired Park Ranger. Rancher again now.
There was a reason for the EPA and such.
Same with Park Rangers,Texas Rangers and most of the law enforcement agencies outside the US Gov. Military,US Cavalry, in the west.
Rampant exploitaion,abuse and disregard of the law.
The bunny huggers used the owl to a tee and folks bought the BS. The reason the mills closed in CA and probably NM is the mills don't want to pay you $16/hr to work there,and the rampant rape and pillage of a easily sustainable commodity with no recourse to the raper of the woods.And it's on OUR dime then.
Same just happened with the San Juan spill and the violator never doing any rehab let alone reimbursment to the US tax payer,THE OWNER.EPA effed up and gets all the blame. WE pay.
I agree with Paul wholeheartedly regarding ranching and welfare ranchers. I know some of the finest stewards of the land and conervasionists , are ranchers.
But I know more than a few that over graze,never pay and always blame someone else for being in the ranching business and not making it.All while collecting a Gov. hand out at the same time.
And Stoney, you would be hard pressed to find some cheaper grazing than US GOV. land in Catron County.And you would still have that full time job of watching your bottom end ,stock and deal with it full time. Before the wolf was the bear,was the Apache, was the wolf& bear & lion was the Comacheros.Ranching is not easy and most I know are at it full time. That's ranching and farming for ya.
There were very few ranches in Catron county before homestead act,started here in 1870's as part of the Apache wars that would last til 1900.Then the rush again in 30's.Last in the lower 48. So if a ranch was here in 1870 it was helped by the US Cavalry or left over from before,you know the 300 yrs of Spain and Mexico. San Fransisco River and all. Elfuego Baca ring a bell? And Not likely to be here during the Apache Wars for sure, or operating with out Geronimos knowledge. Then t was settled by the Buffalo Soldiers because they were not afraid of the Apaches and most of the Mtns are named for them,some still show Niggerhead Butte on a map to this day. Stolen or forced out.
So cheep Gov. grazing with the dealing with an over reaching,overloaded and under funded and understaffed agency the down side.BLM or Forest circus. Any Gubbermet agency except the defence dept. same same.
Are what some of these agencies and Dept.s of US Gov. Effed up,you can say that again in spades,hellya. Is it the same as it was even ten years ago,ranching hell no.
But go try and be a builder or a small business owner and make it nowadays.No effing way.Not in this economy and enviroment.
Do they not pay their bills on time and deal with some new BS thrown your way for today and then whine? Not many who succeed.
If you can't stand the heat,get out of the kitchen. If you can't follow this weeks FS rules try something else. Is it effed up ,hell ya.
Breaking the law and not paying your bills won't help either.
And the Bundies are nut jobs and armed insurectionist and terrorists in my book.
I think and expect more of you than that Tom.