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Aceman

Aceman

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How about a DIY section of Monster Muley that people that actually hunt themselves will post. It seams like recently, hunting has become a sport to some that requires drones, long range, trail cams, finder fees etc.... just a thought. Are we starting to take the hunting out of the sport and just focusing on killing.

aceman
 
Where people actually hunt themselves will post???
Sounds freaking scary and potential dangerous!

Try not to break an arm while patting yourself on the back. Try not to break a leg when you fall off your little soapbox.

Zeke
 
........Oh, and have a great hunting season regardless of how you choose to participate.
Zeke
 
>How about a DIY section of
>Monster Muley that people that
>actually hunt themselves will post.

I have done a lot of things to myself but hunt was not one of them.

I think you will find that most on MM are DIY. Those people that you seem to look down on are too busy working so they can pay for those tags, finders fees, rifles and trail cameras that you seem to have a problem with. They don't have time to post on this site.
 
The trouble aceman, is there are so few of us hunters to begin with, that if we start to divide ourselves into groups, well b easy pickins for the anti crowd. Which is right in their playbook, divide and conquer. Look what's going on today in our society in general, we are allowing a group to divide us. Haves vs have nots, white vs black, police vs civilians, dems vs repubs. It's being done so we can b easily conquered. So I'd rather we all stick together. Long range/archers, diy/guided, atv/horse/afoot, public/private, we can't let these things matter in respect to our cohesiveness or we will b easily conquered. Now i remember from a previous post of yours, you've got some miles on ya and with those miles comes wisdom. I look forward to u sharing that wisdom with all of us. Good luck this fall brother!
 
So if I put up a trail cam in the off season and then go out and kill an animal it is not classified "DIY"? Or if I go out by myself but use a long range rifle it is not "DIY"?

For the record, I've never owned or used a trail cam and the longest distance of a kill I've had is 186 yards. I just want to know all the rules so I know how to classify myself.

Maybe I don't want to be classified as a "hunter" after all?
 
Ah, The old divide and conquer argument. Never was on board with that argument!

That aside, I have a theory regarding countries worldwide that, at least in my mind, seems to be holding true the more I look into it. That is that as countries get older they inevitably fall victim to certain corrosive consequences that come as a result of a bigger and more dynamic/diverse population. I'm talking about subjects ranging from societal norms to governmental programs. For example how many of the older countries have dealt with some form or socialism or communism? While thinking about that think about the way America is going. Social practices are popping up in our country right now, a.k.a ObamaCare and social medicine practices, to name a couple. And it will continue. That's a little tangent to this topic but one other element in my theory has to do with the hunting. Think about how hunting has evolved in other countries, the rich and privileged are those that get to hunt there. Our country's hunting is also evolving rapidly in that direction. There is no debate that today in the U.S. the more wealthy population has more hunting opportunities available to them than the poor. Whether it is right or wrong is debatable. Personally, I don't think its fair but it's never going to turn back in favor of the poor population. Rather than debate, for me time is better spent putting effort toward a good career to make money so I can afford to hunt down the road. In future generations this strategy may not be enough though, as other countries have proven.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-16-15 AT 03:05PM (MST)[p]What? What's that you say.
How dare you propose an idea and put forth an opinion without name-calling or belittling?
After all, this is MM.

By the by, I see your ideas are based on historic facts and I cannot argue with you one bit. I don't have to like them but there's no disputing facts.

Yes, I wish I had more money since those of privilege always have more. Always have, always will but they're still part of the human race (and hunting) just because they have more. I won't be excluding them any time soon.

Zeke
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-16-15 AT 03:17PM (MST)[p]> Ah, The old divide
>and conquer argument. Never was
>on board with that argument!
>
>
> That aside, I have
>a theory regarding countries worldwide
>that, at least in my
>mind, seems to be holding
>true the more I look
>into it. That is that
>as countries get older they
>inevitably fall victim to certain
>corrosive consequences that come as
>a result of a bigger
>and more dynamic/diverse population. I'm
>talking about subjects ranging from
>societal norms to governmental programs.
>For example how many of
>the older countries have dealt
>with some form or socialism
>or communism? While thinking about
>that think about the way
>America is going. Social practices
>are popping up in our
>country right now, a.k.a ObamaCare
>and social medicine practices, to
>name a couple. And it
>will continue. That's a
>little tangent to this topic
>but one other element in
>my theory has to do
>with the hunting. Think
>about how hunting has evolved
>in other countries, the rich
>and privileged are those that
>get to hunt there.
>Our country's hunting is also
>evolving rapidly in that direction.
> There is no debate
>that today in the U.S.
>the more wealthy population has
>more hunting opportunities available to
>them than the poor.
>Whether it is right or
>wrong is debatable. Personally,
>I don't think its fair
>but it's never going to
>turn back in favor of
>the poor population. Rather
>than debate, for me time
>is better spent putting effort
>toward a good career to
>make money so I can
>afford to hunt down the
>road. In future generations this
>strategy may not be enough
>though, as other countries have
>proven.


Those countries all lack the brilliance of our founding fathers and the documents they gave us. Trouble is they're being ignored.
 
We're not alone. My dad before he died started to get into custom classic cars. He and his little group for the most part built their cars from the ground up, they hired painters, and stereo guys, but for the most part built them. They would go to shows and cruises and be in with the dudes that bought them. Not hired some work, but guys that called a shop, had them build the car, then they would show up at shows and "compete". There is a huge ammount of disrespect for the buyers.

Hunting is similar. Most of us DIY. Once in awhile we might get a guided hunt, but for the most part, most of us DIY. And for the most part we figure others are the same. Where we get "jealous" is with the dudes that ONLY hire it done. The guys that fly in, pull a trigger, fly out. The guys that "shop" for outfitters based on lodging, chefs, and wine selection. Guys that hired not based on the experience, or oppourtunity, but based on success rates. We are irritated that the trigger men then turn around and compare what they do to hunting. To most DIY guys, hunting is a lifestyle, we build up to it year round, plan our vacation time around it etc. We chafe at the guys for whom setting up camp, cooking meals, scouting, gutting, skinning, and packing are all things they find distasteful.

Last, and it gets repeated over and over that the fly in guys don't care about us. THAT IS 100% wrong. They are precisely the guys that support the CWMUs that lock up most of N. Utah. They are exactly the guys that are solely about trophy hunting, to the point that they want fewer and fewer of us competing with them. THEY support more and more tag cuts, waiting times, LE units, while knowing that they will simply bypass all of them because they are going to "buy" a hunt. THEY CARE so much about us, what we are doing, and what we think that they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars so as to not have to have us interfere with their trigger pull. While to most of us, they are a sad comentary on what we have lost as hunters as a way of life, a sport, and communtiy. Granted for a few groupies and hero worshippers they are gods. For most of us, the guy that spends his time, scouts, runs his own camp, and kills that big deer with his kids by his side are what its about.

So yeah, a DIY section would be fun for the same reason the youth section is. There are still a lot of us who like to see the traditional, familiy/friends experience. There are those of us who like to see that one guy who killed that big bull, and the group of people he has hunted with year in and year out all as excited by his success as he is. Believe it or not, but there are people who just enjoy people enjoying hunting. Ever notice Denny never smiles, or has family in his pics? Wonder why?


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
I've been behind the times of Technology for so long I decided recently to Up-Grade!

The 750 Yard Shot that I once was so Proud of Ain't SQUAT in todays modern times!

I never thought I'd ever get/need a bigger Gun!

I was Wrong!

It's called Competition and if you're gonna Compete well..................!

I never Thought I'd have to wait 6 or 7 seconds for My Bullet to Reach it's destination but............................!

I never thought I'd Buy a SWARO Spotter,but it was that or be called a pussssy!

I never thought I'd be shootin Bullets that cost 7.00+ a Piece but...........................!

The List goes on & on & on & on........................!




We laugh, we cry, we love
Go hard when the going's tough
Push back, come push and shove
Knock us down, we'll get back up again and again
We are Members of the Huntin Crowd!
 
My post was not intended to offend those that DIY hunt and I apologize if that is the case - if you notice in the original post I said some and not all - you know if you are a DIY hunter - I listen to my non hunting friends who talk unfavorable about hunters and it usually centers around those that look for the easy way and not do the leg work - I just see our hunting heritage changing in a direction that I don't think is healthy - with my age I am at the tail end of my hunting career, and it is you young folks that will enjoy the hunting days to come.
 
My Grandfather hunted because he was poor. My Grand kids will only hunt if they are rich. I am the DIY guy. I love all parts of it. I just hope to hold on to what we have. Pass it along even if it is just a bit of what I have had in my day. Just post up DIY in your title. No reason for a new DIY section.

DZ
 
We're beginning to draw lines between hunters and it's a slippery slope.
What is DIY?
Everyone has their own definition and I suppose that's where we find the rub.

If my daughter is "guided" by me and my brother, we spot, call the shot, judge trophy quality, let her use my rifle, use my quads, use my packs, ultimately skin and pack her trophy desert sheep, did she do it DIY?

Let's say my brother heard my moose last year before I did and proceeded to call it into 15 yards for me, was that DIY?

Let's say my brother and a friend head down to the Paunsaugunt where I hope to chase a great buck. I have a friend who is a guide and he's willing to share vast amounts of knowledge with us before and during the hunt. It that DIY?

Let's say I had a pilot select a hunting area for caribou. He already had a fine camp established for us and dropped us off for 10 days. was that DIY?

Ok, let's suppose that we spent 12 days backpacking in Canada for sheep and caribou and there was a fine new friend with us by the name of Kent Robertson. We all worked our asses off, helped with camp, spotted game, skinned and packed and sweated every last climb to reach ultimate success. Was that Diy? We worked no less-hard on that hunt. So now I'm a "trigger puller"?

I understand expended effort. Some of you younger guys get it but you're drawing an imaginary line for no valid reason.
Think about where you want to draw the line since I doubt any of us have truly done it ON OUR OWN.

If you tell me you did it on your own, I'm NOT a believer!
Zeke
 
>We're beginning to draw lines between
>hunters and it's a slippery
>slope.
>What is DIY?
>Everyone has their own definition and
>I suppose that's where we
>find the rub.
>
>If my daughter is "guided" by
>me and my brother, we
>spot, call the shot, judge
>trophy quality, let her use
>my rifle, use my quads,
>use my packs, ultimately skin
>and pack her trophy desert
>sheep, did she do it
>DIY?
>
>Let's say my brother heard my
>moose last year before I
>did and proceeded to call
>it into 15 yards for
>me, was that DIY?
>
>Let's say my brother and a
>friend head down to the
>Paunsaugunt where I hope to
>chase a great buck. I
>have a friend who is
>a guide and he's willing
>to share vast amounts of
>knowledge with us before and
>during the hunt. It that
>DIY?
>
>Let's say I had a pilot
>select a hunting area for
>caribou. He already had a
>fine camp established for us
>and dropped us off for
>10 days. was that DIY?
>
>
>Ok, let's suppose that we spent
>12 days backpacking in Canada
>for sheep and caribou and
>there was a fine new
>friend with us by the
>name of Kent Robertson. We
>all worked our asses off,
>helped with camp, spotted game,
>skinned and packed and sweated
>every last climb to reach
>ultimate success. Was that Diy?
>We worked no less-hard on
>that hunt. So now I'm
>a "trigger puller"?
>
>I understand expended effort. Some of
>you younger guys get it
>but you're drawing an imaginary
>line for no valid reason.
>
>Think about where you want to
>draw the line since I
>doubt any of us have
>truly done it ON OUR
>OWN.
>
>If you tell me you did
>it on your own, I'm
>NOT a believer!
>Zeke

No offense Zeke, but this is a stupid post. If you don't know the difference between the way Denny Austad "hunts" and the way your neighbor does, then I know not what to say.

Lets be honest. My son and I are talking about snow goose hunting next spring for his birthday, out of state, guided. It will be fun I think, we will kill a lot of birds I am sure, but I won't plaster my mug all over the internet talking about how I am some great goose hunter. I will simply be a guy who showed up and pulled a trigger. I am fine with that. Like I said earlier I think that there are guys who go guided and DIY. To some degree these are what most of us are.

THEN, there are the "professionals" we see on tv. The majority show up one day, are placed in a stand and pull a trigger or a release. There are the Denny Austads of the world, Ted Nuggents, etc. The only differnce between what they do, and what is done at your local trap/skeet club is they shoot live animals. The effort is the same.

The fact that you cannot see the difference I think shows how far the lifestyle of hunting, the heritage of hunting, has been damaged, if not mostly destroyed by the modern "hunter".


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>My Grandfather hunted because he was
>poor. My Grand kids
>will only hunt if they
>are rich. I am
>the DIY guy. I
>love all parts of it.
> I just hope to
>hold on to what we
>have. Pass it along
>even if it is just
>a bit of what I
>have had in my day.
> Just post up DIY
>in your title. No
>reason for a new DIY
>section.
>
>DZ

DZ, if your not going to I would like to use "My Grandpa hunted because he was poor, my kids will only hunt if they are rich" as my new tag line. Talk about a mouthful in one sentence!!


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-15 AT 11:17AM (MST)[p]Hey hoss,
No offence taken since I can tell the difference and every single one of my examples seems like real hunting to me. Perhaps the only reason it doesn't to you is because you've never done it.

You're totally rigid in your definition of "hunting" and it shines through in your posts and applies to everyone but you.

Shame on you for going on a guided goose hunt with all your venom filled posts. You're a bit puffed up in your pride but you'll make an exception for a goose hunt? Really?

.... and I'm the one who doesn't get it?

Wow hoss, you're being petty again!

Get a grip man and go have a great goose hunt! That's right, hunt!
Zeke
 
I think a lot of what's being discussed really isn't DIY VS. Guided as much as the end always justifying the means.
 
>I think a lot of what's
>being discussed really isn't DIY
>VS. Guided as much as
>the end always justifying the
>means.


That's exactly right Buzz.

The discussion should never be guided vs diy. Our discussions about guided vs diy has NOTHING to do with sportsmanship.

"ends justify the means" has EVERYTHING to do with sportsmanship so let's all get off the damn diy vs guided trip and start discussing sportsmanship.

Besides, nobody really does anything diy since we owe our everything to those who have gone before. It's that simple!

Zeke
 
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-15
>AT 11:17?AM (MST)
>
>Hey hoss,
>No offence taken since I can
>tell the difference and every
>single one of my examples
>seems like real hunting to
>me. Perhaps the only reason
>it doesn't to you is
>because you've never done it.
>
>
>You're totally rigid in your definition
>of "hunting" and it shines
>through in your posts and
>applies to everyone but you.
>
>
>Shame on you for going on
>a guided goose hunt with
>all your venom filled posts.
>You're a bit puffed up
>in your pride but you'll
>make an exception for a
>goose hunt? Really?
>
>.... and I'm the one who
>doesn't get it?
>
>Wow hoss, you're being petty again!
>
>
>Get a grip man and go
>have a great goose hunt!
>That's right, hunt!
>Zeke

Its not rigidity, its honesty. Like I said, I would be a trigger puller, I didn't apply sportsmanship to that, you did, I applied truth. I know guys that backpack into wilderness, live in a one man, eat dehydrated and hunt with bows, I don't. YES, they are much tougher, more dedicated, and more driven than I am. Guess what, I am fine with that. I don't compare what I do to what they do. But be honest with yourself, if your just pulling the trigger, then your just pulling the trigger, stop trying to sell how hard you hunted, or how intense it was. It might have been for the guy(guide) that spent the hours scouting, setting up camp, cooking, gutting, skining, and packing it out, all the while hauling you over gods creation, but for you, you pulled a trigger. If you can't be honest about that, then whats the point.

My issue, or concern would be a better word, is that hunting is becoming less about a heritage, and more about something to do while on vacation. When i go to Mexico and go charter a deep sea fishing trip, I don't pretend I am some great fisherman, nor that what I did, and what the captain did are the same. It was simply an activity I did while on a trip.

If you don't think that there is a least some interest in DIY, I can't help but wonder what the 90k deer hunters are doing every year.

The OP was about a section for DIY pics/stories. I believe there would be interest. Much like I believed there would be interest in a youth section. Do a search, I was one pushing Founder for it. I told him my kids want to see what other kids are doing. Same thought here, I like to see the pic of the dad, surrounded by his kids and friends, each of whom he has spent his life hunting with. I might be cheesey but the tradition aspect I find more interesting than, stories about what the guide did to get you on an animal. Its not ethics or sportsmanship, its just a differnt way, a more traditional way of looking at hunting. I hunt the exact places my granddad did for deer, with the same guys I started with when I was 3. 38 years later we still do it. I personally believe there are more like me, than there are trigger pullers and it would be fun to see there stories, thats all.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
The ol' chicken and pig story. When bacon and eggs is served for breakfast served at elk camp, the chicken had an involvement. The pig, he was committed.


"You can fly a helicopter to the top of Everest and say you've been there. The problem with that is you were an a$$hole when you started and you're still an a$$hole when you get back.
Its the climb that makes you a different person". - Yvon Chouinard
 
I think that when you refer to the rich being the only hunting group in the future you are referring to trophy hunting. It is too easy to mix up trophy hunting with all hunting as I am pretty sure most people on here like to hunt trophies. The fact is, you can still pick up a license and deer tag for way under $100 and go kill a forkie almost anywhere. The trophy hunts will always be better hunts for those that have lots of $$ or those that have lots of luck. (Luck as in drawing tags, I am usually one of the unfortunate).

Free Draw Odds!
www.hunthardcore.com
 
>I think that when you refer
>to the rich being the
>only hunting group in the
>future you are referring to
>trophy hunting. It is
>too easy to mix up
>trophy hunting with all hunting
>as I am pretty sure
>most people on here like
>to hunt trophies. The
>fact is, you can still
>pick up a license and
>deer tag for way under
>$100 and go kill a
>forkie almost anywhere. The
>trophy hunts will always be
>better hunts for those that
>have lots of $$ or
>those that have lots of
>luck. (Luck as in drawing
>tags, I am usually one
>of the unfortunate).
>
>Free Draw Odds!
>www.hunthardcore.com


Not in Utah. You can't just go pick up a tag. Kinda funny, when I saw this subject originally I came in just wanting to "second" the nomination for a DIY section. Its amazing how this subject hurts feelings. You buy/draw a tag and decide to HIRE someone to take you hunting. The reasons are many, but you HIRE someone to do things you either can't or don't want to do. You pay them to do it, they get you on an animal, you kill it. Simple buisness transaction, no different than hiring a plumber to work on your house. BUT THEN....

You post up the pics, guys check it out, like them or not, but then the story comes out and you talk about a guide/outfitter, BUT we should all understand just how intense and tough your hunt was. Someone(a-holes like myself) think, or comment that it was great, but ol average joe did it himself. You then are insulted, "how dare you insinuate what DIY joe did was harder/tougher, we did the same thing". Thats where this goes off the rail. YOU COULD have done the same thing, you chose not to, you chose to have a hired hand take parts away that you couldn't or wouldn't do, but by definition it makes Hired and DIY different.

I didn't comment about sportsmanship or ethics. I see from time to time guys who kill big deer with bows, with there 6yr old. Only guys without kids would try to say it was just as hard to kill a deer with a paid guide as it is with a wiggling, loud, kids sitting next to them. YES, there is a differnce in skill level between the two hunters. One pays someone to take aways distractions, one overcomes them. Not right or wrong, just facts.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Outdoordan, I believe if we stay on the same path we are on "Hunting" of any kind will only be done by the wealthy. some of that will come with the ban of ammo then some of the guns then all of the guns then the Predators will take care of the "Balance in nature" Then..... Then......Then. It is a slippery slope and we are looking at it every day. We are being legislatured out of the woods.

DZ
 
Hoss,
Since you have it all figured out and find no problem pigeon-holing other hunter's experiences, please take a moment and answer the questions in my post #13.
I'd like to get your take on which, if any, are real hunts and which are not. Which were paid for with blood, sweat and tears, if any, and which you'll cover with your blanket, one size fits all, statements.
This is an interesting topic and one which will continue to divide hunters.
Thanks.
Zeke
 
So am I a "trigger puller" if I have the means and the ability to hire a guide because I don't have the time to properly scout every different state I hunt in, and I feel the money is well spent to get that extra assist in scouting and increase my chances of filling my tag? What if I shoot the first legal animal I see and don't hold out for that "trophy" animal? Is that better but still just trigger pulling?
At the end of the day we all are on the same team, and alot of people don't like any part of our team. If your style doesn't jive with mine who am I to tell you I'm better or your better? At the end of the day it is all about getting out there and making memories with friends and family. Go hunt and quit judging. There are much more important things to worry about..
 
It would be easy for hunters to live and let live; w DIYs, trigger pullers and the others who remain uncategorized coexisting calmly. EXCEPT these groups compete w each other for a very limited resource: tags. This competition plays out @ the state game management level, and is subject to the big $ influences @ work in all government decisions.

Here is an example. A favorite unit in CO has limited licenses, w nonresidents guaranteed @ least 35% of all licenses for that unit. That greatly inflates the # of points residents need to draw a tag. CPW says they must maintain the high ratio of nonresident tags in most units to meet their budget. So what if I favor increasing resident fees, to make the state less dependent on NR fees? Bottom line, in legislatures $ talks. Those that has, gets.
 
Some of you sound like a bunch of Obama lovin socialist with your "privileged" and "wealthy" whining.

For the most part, in this country, people still determine their lot in life by their actions. Successful people, AKA THE PRIVILEGED, did not get that way by sitting on the internet complaining about what other people have accomplished.

The ones doing the complaining about how they have no money to get a hunting tag or whatever should write down every penny they spend for 6 months. See how many tags, guns, new tires, new bow, etc they could buy if they cut out booze, tobacco, tatoos, eating junk food, Starbucks, etc.

Did ya really need a $50,000 truck or would a $35,000 model get you from point A to point B?

Did ya really need a $12,000 Polaris Razor or would a $4,000 Honda Foreman do you just as good?

Do you need to eat out 5 days a week?

I'll bet you find out that you actually have a little more cash than you think you do.

Then there is the whining about long range (whatever that means), trail cams, etc etc etc....geeze Luiz, what a miserable bunch. Same guys whining about that stuff have no problem with scoped rifles, range finders, 4 wheel drive trucks, 80lb compound bows, 50X HD spotting scopes, etc. It's all technology even if you won't admit it.
 
sheesh.....

guided, unguided
by yourself, with 50 family and friends
high fence, low fence, no fence
rifle, bow
long range, short range
open sights, high power scope
back country, near the road

I could care less how I'm hunting as long as I have a bow or rifle in hand and there's something to chase around the woods who really gives a #####. All you that think your way is the only way can have it exactly the way you want it and so can the next guy.
 
No dog in this argument, but to me it all basically gets back to what "DIY" means and it obviously means different things to different people. It does bug me though when I see an article in a hunting magazine that basically has bold-face letters in the headline saying "DYI" and then I look at the accompanying color photos and see a pic of the hunter with his elk/deer etc. surrounded by 3-4 guys and then I read the article and it talks about who did the scouting, who did the calling, who did the videoing, etc. And, then I read where to some it basically comes down to the issue if you paid someone to help you on your hunt (a guide) that that is somehow different than if you had all the same work a guide does done by your dad, brother-in-law, cousin and next door neighbor. Basically, when I see "DIY", it should mean {doing it yourself} and not with anyone else, whether they were paid like guides or just friends or family. Just my opinion.
 
Hoss - Not trying to push this, Utah takes a little more planning, but, there are units with 100% or near 100% draw odds. Plus, there were plenty of leftover tags available as well. So, you can still draw a tag and go hunt a forky for meat. Point I was trying to make is that many think of hunting as shooting a big buck or bull. I personally still know people that would rather shoot a forky for the meat. It never crosses their minds if somebody shot one with a guide or not or how big. They could care less. They just are happy to fill the freezer every year.

Straight from HH.
General ? Chalk Creek/East Canyon/Morgan, South Rich Units 4/5/6. Very close proximity to the Metro areas of the Salt Lake Valley make this the weekend warriors choice for many. Success rates around 40% the last couple years makes this popular, and successful. With over 3500 permits available, 79% of residents got a tag with 0 points. All non-residents drew the tag with 0 points.
16 General ? La Sal/La Sal Mountains Unit 13A. Most residents drew with 0 points, all of the non-residents drew with 1 point. This is one of the few units that success rates slipped a little. From 39% in 2013 to 35% in 2014.

DZ - It may be, but that is certainly speculative, nobody can see the future (if you can, you mind sharing lottery numbers with me?) The fact is, if our intent is purely on antler size, I can certainly see that as a possible future. The more we kill for food, the better our argument remains. But that is certainly off-topic, and could be debated and debated...

As for DIY, love it. I personally love the challenge and satisfaction of a successful DIY hunt. Most years I go solo. But, I fault nobody for their own path. I personally like the DIY stories from people as it means more to ME.


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www.hunthardcore.com
 
People really get hurt feelings over this topic? The OP was for a section for DIY. There was no litmus test, if you have a pic with an elk and mossback logos all over it and you feel its DIY then post it. Funny how the guys who pay for it, and "don't really care what we think" get so emotional about what we think.

So, how about intstead of DIY section we have a UNPAID section. Yes I know, there will be guys who traded work with a guide and they might get upset. Or guys who used bit coins not dollars and they might be upset. Its a pretty simple concept. You either PAID or you didn't. And if you did, good for you, i would rather spend money hunting than golfing too.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
My original post was not intended to create a lot of anger between individuals that hire help in getting their trophy vs those that just go out and hunt on their own. After all we need the guys spending the dollars - I just think that there are a lot of stories that could be posted on a DYI but may not be told because they feel intimidated. Maybe not - A hunting adventure to me is just as interesting when the individual efforts are experienced even though they didn't result in a 180+ buck. Nothing against big bucks, it is just they are not behind every tree. If posted, I would think a youngster that hunted with his dad will be more interested in reading about his hunt than one where big dollars were spent on others making the hunt possible.
 
You included trail cameras and long range rifles as tools of the "non-DIY". Many hunters have taken on those tools as part of their arsenal. Simply put, your comments come off like you're a real judgmental jerk.

In addition, who's the judge of what real "DIY" is? LOTS of people who draw highly coveted tags take along several family and friends with them on the hunt to glass and help them be successful. Is that "DIY"? The guy down the road hired a Mossback guide to help him glass. Why are the two any different? Just because one guy pays and the other might not?

"DIY" is a tough topic because there are so many different ideas of what "Do It Yourself" is.

Brian Latturner
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I don't know who got angry but some of us are a little perplexed by the divisive, arrogant attitudes.

The "money" guys aren't on here insinuating that you're poor and it's just too damn bad you can't afford a hunt! It's the self-anointed arrogance of the "diy" crowd that creates the waves.

Come to think of it, hoss never did answer my questions in post 13. I'm still curious what the definition is of diy (since I've rarely seen anyone do any hunting without the least bit of help).

I'm certainly NOT one of the "money" guys but I have been on a handful of guided hunts (Only where required by law) over the last 47 years of big game hunting so I guess I'm more open minded than some guys on here!

Zeke
 
Founder, you are right on, I am a jerk for bringing this up, should have kept my comments out of this forum - this got out of hand and I am responsible - better get off and let things be - sorry for starting this mess - stupid is as stupid does -
 
Don't be too hard on yourself Aceman. I think many people get carried away when posting on-line. You have to be very conscientious of what you say. I bet if we were all in a room discussing this topic you would have brought it up in a different manner, and it would have gone much differently.
 
Damn the luck. ... I have hunted private, public, been on a guided hunt, (if you consider being guided by a person that has never stepped foot in the area) but I paid for it. I have and use trail cameras, use a long range rifle that costs more than the truck I drive. Most of my hunts are on public land, DIY.

All this time I thought I was a hunter. Now that I think of it I am just a poor excuse for a human being.

My eyes were opened from this thread, I can now see the light.
 
Founder, and yeah I know this is your site, but now YOUR calling a guy a jerk because he isn't wild about trail cams and LR, and he's contentious? WOW! All the bombs that get dropped on your site about you name it, and a guy states an opinion, one which I would bet close to a majority(especially LR critics) would support and he's a jerk?

YES founder and Zeke and whoever else. IF YOU PAY mossback to take you glassing, YOU PAID A PROFESSIONAL. "Nick, you mean if I paid that girl at the bar to do things its different than if she just did them on her own?" Yeah, it is. If you read more into that about ethics or sportsmanship, or whatever, seems like your issue not someone elses.

The OP, basically thought a spot where guys might share more about how the hunt came about, whether that be chaining up to get there, or the wifes water breaking on the way home, might be more interesting to SOME of us than scheduling 5 days with an outfitter. If its not to you, OK, there are plenty of sections in here that don't interest me, but I don't let my feeling get hurt by them.

Perhaps I am in the minority on this one, but my best hunting stories, and I have been at this for 38 years, don't have a single dead animal in them. Granted, I don't have a 30" buck on my wall, or a 400" elk either, but there is still a sizeable population of hunters who still do it that way.

More than perhaps any subject this one seems to really cut some guys. I said it before, if you backpack in, eat dehydrated, sleep in a sack, and bowhunt, YOUR MORE HUNTER THAN ME. And thats fine, doesn't hurt the feelings at all. But if you fly in, sip red wine, eat french cuisine, and sit in a heated shack, pull a trigger, then fly out, I AM MORE HUNTER THAN YOU. And guess what, thats OK too.

Founder, I realize this site doesn't fund itself. I realize there are advertisers, guides, outfitters etc, and you have to have the revenue to put it together, and I thank you for it. No one was passing judgement on any of them when they talk about a DIY section. But, and be honest. Did your grandpa pay a guide? Would he have died hearing how much guys pay for them? Mine would have disowned me, than explained that for that kind of money, you can buy beef, and it tastes better. Would he have been a JERK for thinking that? And, like my grandpa, he probably had more big deer killed in a decade than we will in a lifetime. Ban me if you want, its your site, but calling the dude a contentious jerk, was out of line.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it aceman. I'm not the most articulate man on the planet and when I say things sometimes it don't come out the way I intended it to. It's even worse when I type it as there's no inflections or tone with it. I'm about the easiest goin guy you'll ever come across, yet I've pissed a couple fellas off unintentionally on here myself. I'll stick by my first post on yer thread in that we need to stick together no matter our differences as there just ain't many of us to begin with.
 
Ain't a Damn one of you DOING IT YOURSELF!

Although you gotta give Hunters like dry_booty Credit!

He Sneaks around in his Buffalo Brief!

The Critters look at him like He's a Damn Caveman thinking He's No Threat,They Think He's probably Packin a Tomahawk!

Then He pulls that Cannon out & The Critters are in Deep Doo-Doo!

He Pulls them 400+ Yard Shots with his SmokePole too!

(((Not directed at booty!!!)))

But take all the Technology away from Hunters of the last 45-50 Years & Then Just maybe you can call it DOING IT YOURSELF!






We laugh, we cry, we love
Go hard when the going's tough
Push back, come push and shove
Knock us down, we'll get back up again and again
We are Members of the Huntin Crowd!
 
>I wouldn't lose too much sleep
>over it aceman. I'm not
>the most articulate man on
>the planet and when I
>say things sometimes it don't
>come out the way I
>intended it to. It's even
>worse when I type it
>as there's no inflections or
>tone with it. I'm about
>the easiest goin guy you'll
>ever come across, yet I've
>pissed a couple fellas off
>unintentionally on here myself. I'll
>stick by my first post
>on yer thread in that
>we need to stick together
>no matter our differences as
>there just ain't many of
>us to begin with.

BESSSSSS, now I have Tim McGraw playin in the empty cavity between by ears!! "Cherokee people..."

But seriously I 100% agree with this one. There ain't many of us left. We live in the greatest country gawd ever made(sorry Canucks), and the capitalist system is the best system going, but it does create issuses in situations where there isn't straight supply and demand. Like it or not(again this isn't and ethics discussion) but by hiring guides/outfitters, or buying auction tags you introduce a market.(Yeah I know Tristate, but lets stay on this tangent for now, you can auction off your mom later). When you do this you create competition amongst the guides for bigger, better and yes EASIER. It only makes sense that those who profit from hunting, want to find ways to increase their profit, hence the explosion of CWMU, auction tags, $fw, etc. Buisnesses by there nature want to expand and grow. Now heres the rub, in our desire to optimize our hunts, we call for less tags, we hire professionals, who want to maximize their clients oppourtunity so they do what they can to minimize issuse(like pesky DIY, over the counter guys, season dates that are restrictive). The guys that are successful(Mossback for example) then get more business because of it. More buisness means more money, more money means more pressure to make clients more successful.

Now, who loses in this game, your 12 year old. My kids. Your neighbor kids. Most "average" folks can't afford to pay $5k for dad, $5k for son, etc, etc, so dad goes and pays for it, the kids stay with mom. The kids get to go on general season hunts. So they all load up and head up Monte, along with 30,000 other dudes and they all hunt the same tiny tract of land because the entire mountain is sold the highest bidder. In short it sucks, and the kid has a negetive experience. Same kid gets married, starts a family, and he's already not a die hard, it doesn't take long to drop hunting, because its TOO expensive, and way to restrictive. We loose another. What is left are the die hards, but they want more success, more "trophies" so they push for tag cuts, more CWMU, more restrictions to increase horn growth. The not quite as die hard as his neighbor gets cut out, his kids too.

We have put such a PRICE on "trophies" that biologically its impossible to produce, so we canabalize ourselves to try to aid biology. We are getting to that tipping point now. My generation, the 40yr olds, are the last. Look at the statistics, the next generation is not with us, and the ones in school now, what are we leaving them? At a time when we should be recruiting tirelessly, we are locking things down, cutting off access, and WILLINGLY doing away with other hunters so WE can kill that "trophy". When this way of life, this tradition changed from family and friends, experience, food, and became all about inches, we signed our own death certificate.

Guides aren't evil, hiring one isn't wrong, or unsporting. Hoping to kill a big animal isn't either. But lets not pretend like doing so helps to grow hunting either. THe sport/tradition isn't grown by hunting at places that only allow one person to accompany you. There is still a segment of our group that make the EXPERIENCE the important part. They make the camp the thing, the watching the sun come up the thing, the getting to be one of the men for a week, the thing. In making inches the thing, we loose the kids, we loose the tradtion that keeps them coming back on those years when we don't kill "a hog". So yeah, DIY(whatever the version is) keeps the tradition. Some of us like to see what other dudes are doing as part of there tradtion, guess that hurt a lot of feeling, including Founders?


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Don't worry too much about it Aceman, not that big a deal. Your comments are welcome, I was just pointing out that the way you worded your comments alienates a large percentage of sportsman who consider themselves "DIY" guys.

Brian Latturner
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hoss,
Don't fall off that pony, its a LONG way to the ground chief.

FYI, some of us still spend the extra dollars on our kids. Mine most definitely will be chasing more big game in a couple states than me this year. Its not DIY for him as I will be "guiding" him. He will pay it off with work around the yard, help around the house. May even pay for some of the gas and groceries with money from his summer job. Oh he also has better odds applying with an outfitter in NM so yes one of those guys will be riding along also on those hunts. I will make sure that I have a long discussion with him on the ride down to make sure he understands he is less of a hunter than some people because there will be a guide in the camp.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-15 AT 09:35AM (MST)[p]Hossblur,

Good post, I agree.

Some don't like the reality...but its where we're at and the future isn't looking up.

Hunting has changed a lot since I started.

Gone are the days of a dragging rope, a pocket full of green-box ammo, a sammich, and a hand-me-down '06...and being happy about dragging a fat forkhorn back to the family camp.

If you don't hand a guide a big wad of sweaty cash, wait 20 years to draw a preference point tag, glass up the best animal in the unit with Swarovski glass, range it with a leica 1600, and torch it from 1200 yards with a $5k 30/378...you're just not doing it "right" and nothing but a dinosaur.
 
I think part of what u describe buzz is the natural succession of a hunter. There's 3 phases to the maturation of a hunter, the first is the killing phase. It didn't matter how big it was what mattered was how many there was. The second is the trophy phase, ya we still wanna kill but it's more about the size than the quantity. Then in the last phase it's about deeper things, the company we keep, the special place we hunt with memories, how we killed that animal, helpin a younger person get that fever we had when we were younger. How we see things partly depends on what phase we're in.
 
I agree, great post Hossblur, you said it like it is.
I hope we as hunters can turn this around someday and start being real sportsmen, because there is sure a lot more to it than inches.
 
The problem is, a majority of people are skipping 1 and 3 and staying stuck in 2. Some of it no fault of their own, but a lot of it is.

Exactly why I hate youth tags for trophy areas, everything being LQ, shrinking general areas/tags, people being criticized for shooting a small buck, etc. etc. etc.

Not much is happening across the West to increase deer herds, pronghorn herds, etc...the focus/fighting is 95% about managing what's left, for one thing, and one thing only: trophy potential.

Just look at the threads regarding region G and H in Wyoming for a perfect example.

Another example, look at the mule deer initiatives in Wyoming...largely geared toward increasing LQ areas, reducing general hunting, increasing antler size.

One of the reasons we're not attracting young hunters to the sport is because the opportunities for your "step 1" are disappearing.

We're expecting kids/new hunters to enter the sport and get excited about short general seasons in less and less areas...and even then, many "hate" that they shoot a small buck, even in a general unit.

Read the threads on this site, constant whining about the lack of "quality" in general areas, whether that be elk, deer, or whatever.
 
I don't disagree buzz, but the phase 1 guys are young and could care less about this site. The phase three guys are down to their last seasons and they just wanna enjoy every last minute of it. Neither group will b very vocal but there's plenty of em, and we all know our future rests in the phase 1 guys/gals catchin the bug. I also agree with your make more deer theory ive read u comment on in the wyo g&h thread, unfortunately we can't have unlimited tag numbers and increase deer #'s at the same time in the same area. Wish I had the magic elixir to fix the deer pop problem we have in the west but I dont. It's a multi faceted problem with no easy solutions. It's habitat, predators, over hunting and probably a couple we're not even aware of yet like the mineral theory mentioned on another thread, sounds logical to me. I'd love to throw some mineral blocks out where I hunt to see if it would make a difference but it's illegal here in colorado. Fire suppression for 50yrs, lack of timber harvest are other government policies that have created the situation we're in as well and it's going to take a complex solution over a long period of time to undue what we've done, and thats gonna take all of us.
 
Most of you don't even know what a Red Shirt looked like!

Hunters Wore them Proudly in TARDville!

Schools looked like Ghost Towns the last of October!

I Always had the Flu that time of year!

Weaver 4X Scopes were Common & anything better was Coveted!

A 3X9 Bushnell was a Nice SOB!

4 Wheel Drive Trucks & Jeeps were perty neat at the time!

12' Camp Trailers like the Hollywood Hotel!

4X Bino's were not all that common!

I Think Hunters were Tougher on Average back then!

LOOK THE FRICK AT US NOW!

Ain't many Hunters now that are not packing all the Goodies & Gadgets!

JFP!




We laugh, we cry, we love
Go hard when the going's tough
Push back, come push and shove
Knock us down, we'll get back up again and again
We are Members of the Huntin Crowd!
 
I think the often quoted 3 phases of a hunters life are a little simplistic.
My biggest complaint about general hunts is a lack of quality, not in horn size as much as in crowding.

Nothing will turn a kid off faster than having a deer or elk shot out in front of him, or just seeing people everywhere you look, and many times unless you go where the animals aren't at,that's what you see.

Work hard, hike for hours and what do they see, other Hunters or an outfitter or a spike camp. Or a gut pile, that's the norm in most general hunt areas in the west, shrinking wild areas are what we have.

It's a different world out there than when I was growing up.
 
Remarkable thread, this. Refreshing. Namecalling was transcended, posters considered differing points of view instead of rejecting them. People recognized there are bigger threats to hunting than those that attack their own self-interest. Maybe the Big Picture is coming into focus. I've been in "mature" category C for several years, and you will find yourself there too b4 you know it. When you do, you will appreciate what went on in hunting b4 you got involved, and more importantly, what the future will be after your hunting days have passed.
 
I'm not sure if this will help or not but a few years ago I wondered my way over to this hunting forum.

http://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/home.php

As you can see, the entire Site is dedicated to DYI, or maybe a better way to say it is is in their words: "dedicated exclusively to self-guided public land hunting"

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I'd guess the folks there would enjoy having you share your comments and your hunting stories and you might better enjoy their experiences, in as much as DYI is apparently all they do. The forum there maybe just what your looking for. MM is a pretty diverse group, it seems, not so much focused on the more narrow definition of the hunting lifestyle. Some of us prefer all kinds of hunting experiences, others seem to enjoying being more focused on a single aspect of the life style.

Personally, I love the wider experiences hunting and fishing offers. I want any and all of it, guided, unguided, public land, private land, in State, out of State, archery, muzzleloader, rifle, open sights, long range, group hunting, solo hunting, road hunting, pack horse hunting, atv hunting, motel hunting, tent hunting, camper hunting, bed roll hunting. Deer, elk, moose, antelope, goats, sheep, bison, bear, grouse, pheasants, quail, chukker, ducks, geese, doves etc.

"What's not to love about it all?"

I used to think everyone else did too but man I've found out, over the years, that I had that figured dead wrong.

DC
 
>hoss,
>Don't fall off that pony, its
>a LONG way to the
>ground chief.
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>FYI, some of us still spend
>the extra dollars on our
>kids. Mine most definitely
>will be chasing more big
>game in a couple states
>than me this year.
>Its not DIY for him
>as I will be "guiding"
>him. He will pay
>it off with work around
>the yard, help around the
>house. May even pay
>for some of the gas
>and groceries with money from
>his summer job. Oh
>he also has better odds
>applying with an outfitter in
>NM so yes one of
>those guys will be riding
>along also on those hunts.
> I will make sure
>that I have a long
>discussion with him on the
>ride down to make sure
>he understands he is less
>of a hunter than some
>people because there will be
>a guide in the camp.
>

Thats great, HONESTLY. Dad and I talked all the time about Alaska, and in the construction boom in the 90's we could of had the money, but we never did it, and cancer got him. Not going is one of my biggest regrets, so straight up, taking your boy and doing that is GREAT!!

Now, you have to admit, and I am sure there are numbers to back it, but what your doing isn't in the majority, thats all.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
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>A 3X9 Bushnell was a Nice
>SOB!
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>4 Wheel Drive Trucks & Jeeps
>were perty neat at the
>time!
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>12' Camp Trailers like the Hollywood
>Hotel!
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>4X Bino's were not all that
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>I Think Hunters were Tougher on
>Average back then!
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I got my 7x35 tascos at Kmart!! And if you want to see how dang tough I was, I hunted in Moon boots for two years!!

I rarely go in the cat/bear section. Shooting a treed cat/bear doesn't excite me much. I know having the dogs, training, and treeing the predator would be a rush, and something I totally get, but I don't have dogs, and never got into it. So I don't frequent the site. Unlike TRI, I rarely look at other states sites, once in a while Wyoming, but pretty rarely. The point being simply if there was a DIY site, and it hurts your feelings, or you have some disgust, you don't have to go in there.

I guess I was lucky. I started at 3 1/2. The old man made the decision to quit "trophy" hunting and bring me. I was the 3rd generation in my camp. 3 generations, all together. Throughout the late 80's, and early 90's, when we went from talking about deer sightings, to talking about track sightings, that camp, that experience is what kept us coming back year after year. Yes I am a dik, and yes that is a tall horse I keep falling off. But stop and look around. HONESTLY look around. There is way too much grey hair in our ranks, and not nearly enough pimples, and we did it too ourselves.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
I believe there is a difference (between DIY and paid hunting), and their are those on here that are trying to muddle it into one sport. While I enjoy DIY I don't condemn paying for it, to each his own. But I am more impressed by DIY and personally don't read stories about guided hunts. Unless, they are wilderness guided hunts (sheep, goats, grizzlies, etc.). Aceman, you didn't do anything wrong by bringing this up.

[I can't define what is pornography.] "But I know it when I see it."
Potter Stewart, opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964)

Free Draw Odds!
www.hunthardcore.com
 
>Personally, I love the wider experiences
>hunting and fishing offers.
>I want any and all
>of it, guided, unguided, public
>land, private land, in State,
>out of State, archery, muzzleloader,
>rifle, open sights, long range,
>group hunting, solo hunting, road
>hunting, pack horse hunting, atv
>hunting, motel hunting, tent hunting,
>camper hunting, bed roll hunting.
> Deer, elk, moose, antelope,
>goats, sheep, bison, bear, grouse,
>pheasants, quail, chukker, ducks, geese,
>doves etc.
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>all?"
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I want to do it all.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-15 AT 09:05AM (MST)[p]>I think a lot of what's
>being discussed really isn't DIY
>VS. Guided as much as
>the end always justifying the
>means.

Or, in this case, the means justifying the end!
 
Ain't a Damn one of you DOING IT YOURSELF!

Bet the Goodies involved by each one you cost anywhere from 50K on up top several 100K!

But!

And I Quote:

"By GAWD I got My PISSCUTTER"

"I really needed the Meat"!

"Twas a Big Bodied 2 Point"!

"I Filled My Freezer"!

"I/We Got Our Winters Meat"!

It only took 300,000.00 Dollars worth of Gear to GIT-R-DONE but BY GAWD I went DIY!

JFP!!!




We laugh, we cry, we love
Go hard when the going's tough
Push back, come push and shove
Knock us down, we'll get back up again and again
We are Members of the Huntin Crowd!
 
So OutDoorDan!

You don't have a 65K-70K Pick-up?

That Pulls an 80K Camper?

That Pulls 30K worth of Wheelers/Side X Sides?

50K-100K worth of Misc Huntin Gear?

Guns?

Optics?

Drone?

300 Trail-Cams?

A Dozem GPS's?

30K tied up in Hunt Draws/Points?

The List goes on & on!

Ya!

You're DOING IT YOURSELF!

Just like everybody else!





>$300,000 in gear, hell, if I
>had that in gear I
>would sell it all and
>by more tags, AND go
>hunt DIY. ;)
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>Free Draw Odds!
>www.hunthardcore.com








We laugh, we cry, we love
Go hard when the going's tough
Push back, come push and shove
Knock us down, we'll get back up again and again
We are Members of the Huntin Crowd!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-15 AT 00:01AM (MST)[p]>So OutDoorDan!
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>>Free Draw Odds!
>>www.hunthardcore.com
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So, if I spent less than $300,000 for hunting gear, tags, gas, guides, etc. I'm officially a DIYer? No?

What about less than $200,000? Less than $100,000?

I've never hired a guide. I've only hunted out of state once,a when I first got married and my uncle paid the bill. Though I've owned 3 small used hunting SUV's, I've only owned one truck and camper, a 1994 F250 and camper that cost $500 from my dad. I've never owned a new gun (pawn shops or hand-me-downs). My bows were all on sale. I haven't drawn a high priced big game permit (yet). I check pawn shops, swap meets, garage sales and thrift shops for gear and camo. In any case I'd be surprised if I've even spent $100,000. So, do I qualify or not?

Well, I have to be honest! There were 2 times when I went into A-fib and had to be hauled off the mountain to an ER, once by ambulance from Cedar Mountain above Cedar City and once by a former nurse and her hubby who happened to be parked at the overlook on SR65 at the summit north of Little Dell Reservoir. Yeah, I know! I definitely didn't do it myself! DISQUALIFIED!!!
 
I am so damn confused I am not sure what to say. I drive a 2004 Nissan Frontier, use Zen Ray optics, I do put my money into good boots (Han Wag gave me a pair, and I use Crispi's because I believe that is where you should spend your money), I use and sell gear by Big Agnes (as well as those mentioned), predator and first lite clothing, teko socks (again important). My gun of choice is a 7mm weatherby vanguard I bought 20 years ago, my bow is a 2010 although I am going to use my trad bow (bought in the 90's) this year. But I still don't know what spending money on gear (or not) has to do with DIY. DIY stands for Do It Yourself. It means that you find and harvest your own game. You can go DIY with an out of state, general, draw, archery, muzzle, rifle, slingshot, shotgun, rock, spear or any other weapon/tag choice.

Again, I have no problem at all with somebody going guided. I just like the challenge of DIY.

Still confused...


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