reading what was said, mossback isnt claiming the bull as only theres, there claiming that the finders fee should be theres, this has gone like wild fire not only on the forum but also in the state, what i understand that mossback emailed the photo to mark and was discussing a hunt and mark called his buddys and said lets find this bull from the back ground of the photos, word also says that he and the nevada outlaw ran there paraplane in the area just before the hunt looking for the bull, mark has always been a straight up guy i thought,but when you start hanging out with trash you start smelling like it. And for other guides knowing of this bull im sure they did, but for these guys i dont think they had a clue of this bull, it all comes down to money anymore, and for these guys that buy these tags most of the time there not hunters there assassins they show up the day before, kill the animal, pay the big bucks, and brag about it, a jackrabbit hunt would have been harder hunt than this hunt. i just live over the hill i also want to hear about the pet deer killed down home. lw