Lobo recovery area

cantgetdrawn

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The deadline to make comments is Sept. 23rd. Here is the website to make comments.

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=FWS-R2-ES-2013-0056-6056

I went to mexicanwolves.org and just changed some of their bullet points making the opposite arguments and adding some bs in for good measure :D

I OPPOSE expanding the area in which direct releases of Mexican wolves can occur.

1) New wolves should not be released in the existing management area nor in new areas outside of this existing area. Doing so will cause conflicts and further waste taxpayer money on what has become a failed experiment.

2) The USFWS should take it's time to complete a comprehensive plan to manage these wolves granting more weight to the opinions of those most affected by these wolves as opposed to people who live hundreds or thousands miles away from the management area.

3) The proposed expanded provisions for ?take? (killing, trapping, and removals) of these wolves should be approved for wolves who create conflicts with the human population, livestock and pets.

4) The USFWS should FURTHER RESTRICT boundaries to the wolves? movement so as not to create conflict with human populations. In addition, these boundaries help insure the genetic uniqueness of this subspecies. Breeding with hybrids rumored to be throughout the state or even northern timber wolves would destroy the Lobo as a unique subspecies. If such interbreeding occurs it would be hard to argue that these wolves are endangered.

5) The USFWS should keep the designation of the Mexican gray wolves as nonessential. The ecosystem did not collapse in the absence of these wolves and the fact that after 2 decades they cannot reach target population numbers is evidence that the environment is no longer suited for a large number of these wolves. Most of the scientific study proponents of wolf reintroduction commission start with mistaken assumption that these wolves are vital and therefore the conclusion reached are incorrect.
 
I doubt anyone will listen or believe, but I've already seen lobos north of I-40 on two separate occasions. Once in the Cibola, and the other in the Santa Fe NF. Lobos are doing just fine without any more of our help.
 
I believe there are plenty of wolves in the Northern part of the state. What I have doubts about is whether they are Mexican wolves.

My suspicion is that those wolves are either northern grey wolves or hybrids that some hippie from defenders of wolves decided to release.
 
There has been rumors around for the past few years that TT released sone on Vermejo....Haven't seen one myself but know someone that has. They are BLACK so not Mexican...and way north of I 40
Jack
 
The wolves I saw in both cases were grey. I wouldn't otherwise know if they were Mexican or not.
 
Black wolves!!?? A couple years back I was in the Jemez in wintertime and swore I saw a pack of wolves out in the open, looked like they were feeding on something, it was only a couple hundres yards away and they looked almost black and way too big to be coyotes. I chalked it up to feral dogs and kept driving not real concerned as to whether I should further investigate but they sure did look like wolves to me. All this is terrible!

Ryan
 
I was raised on a ranch east of Albuquerque and grew up in the woods addicted to hunting fishing song anything to do with the outdoors, I was a member if FFA and judged wildlife for six years I know how to I.d. any animal in our state. I have seen wolves mire then once on my ranch ,and my family has also. The game and fish did nothing when I contacted them with my sightings. They just said I was crazy.
 
A few years back some people had released a few hybrid wolves up above Chama and the animals were seen in both unit 52 and 4.The feds were contacted and they did respond hiring govt trapper and he under the carpet took care of them. I was told this by a fed biologist in conversation about wolves. He had said that at that time, northern NM was not a considered site/area for reintroduction of em.North of I40 from the Espanola area - Pecos area and up to Colorado on both sides is heavily poached, these idiots hammer the crudd out of the deer and elk herds, so I just don't them passing up a chance to pop some lead in intro wolves, and the feds know this...
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-30-14 AT 06:31PM (MST)[p]wolves dont belong and the sportsmen dont want them here. nuff said.
 

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